Pride goes before destruction

[Jason0047]

I say the same about you, bro. Well, me and about 5 thousand others that debate you.
You seem a bit confused on what you teach? You contradict yourself daily. Your foundation is crumbling. You're slipping, man.

Honestly, do you really don't care if they believe that way as it is stated in the polls? Also, my beliefs have not changed on the topic of OSAS. Nor have I contradicted myself. It would simply be a misunderstanding on your part (of which I am more than happy to explain).

 

[kennethcadwell]

I disagree. A believer who once struggled with murder cannot think that he will kill again but he will be forgiven just because he will repent of it later. Now, if he struggles with sin, that is another issue. But to pre-meditatively plan to sin or to murder (all while thinking he can just confess and be forgiven of it) is another issue.



Look. Murder is taking a life that is not in God's will. Murder is taking a life (Whether it be your life or your own life). The person being murdered does not change the crime.



And you are wrong because the context of the verse right before it says that God dwells in you. That is the context.



I was hoping you would understood what I said in my previous post on this point; Anyways, the answer would be a.... "no." For are people committing sucide or hurting their health severely by getting tattoos?

Then I just caught you in a contradiction on your teaching !!!!


Because you say one person who defiles the temple is not condemned, but then you say another who does is !!!
You can not have one saved and not the other, you have to have both saved or both condemned.
Do I need to explain what defile the temple means again to you, because it does not refer to the individual. It refers to the whole body of believers being the temple, and those that come in to defile the teachings to draw people away. You are still trying your hardest to force forgivable sins into being unforgivable.

I am done talking to you on this subject because you refuse to even go and look into how people feel and act when they are in depression. Until you understand that your point is wrong and their will never be any show of love, mercy, and forgiveness toward these people !!!

 

[Jason0047]

i didn't notice you addressing the sin aspect of forsaking assembling, no.

one can certainly fellowship in a home church.
there ought still be some kind of leadership structure, though, and accountability to people outside it.
one cannot properly (in NT commands way) have all their fellowship online or at work... that's bad form.

so, just to clarify, what you're saying is you're part of a home church with elders and a teacher and some outside form of accountability?

Is it a sin that leads unto death? Is there a verse that says we must be accountable to a head figure? Is there a punishment if we are not held accountable to a head figure? What verses state this?

 

[psychomom]

Is it a sin that leads unto death?

sry, can we stop right there?

are you saying you're only interested in obeying God if it would lead to your death if you didn't?

 

[Jason0047]

Then I just caught you in a contradiction on your teaching !!!!


Because you say one person who defiles the temple is not condemned, but then you say another who does is !!!
You can not have one saved and not the other, you have to have both saved or both condemned.
Do I need to explain what defile the temple means again to you, because it does not refer to the individual. It refers to the whole body of believers being the temple, and those that come in to defile the teachings to draw people away. You are still trying your hardest to force forgivable sins into being unforgivable.

The word "defile" here is in reference to destroy. When a person "sins" they destroy and defile the temple of God. For example: sexual sin is done against the body. But one can repent of this sin, though. Jesus says it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but it is what comes out of his mouth that defiles (destroys) him. A person can repent of this, too. But a person cannot repent of suicide (if they stay dead), though.

I am done talking to you on this subject because you refuse to even go and look into how people feel and act when they are in depression. Until you understand that your point is wrong and their will never be any show of love, mercy, and forgiveness toward these people !!!

I am sorry. The Word of God is our authority here and not people opinions, and feelings.

 

[Reborn]

Honestly, do you really don't care if they believe that way as it is stated in the polls? Also, my beliefs have not changed on the topic of OSAS. Nor have I contradicted myself. It would simply be a misunderstanding on your part (of which I am more than happy to explain).

Then I just caught you in a contradiction on your teaching !!!!


Because you say one person who defiles the temple is not condemned, but then you say another who does is !!!
You can not have one saved and not the other, you have to have both saved or both condemned.
Do I need to explain what defile the temple means again to you, because it does not refer to the individual. It refers to the whole body of believers being the temple, and those that come in to defile the teachings to draw people away. You are still trying your hardest to force forgivable sins into being unforgivable.

I am done talking to you on this subject because you refuse to even go and look into how people feel and act when they are in depression. Until you understand that your point is wrong and their will never be any show of love, mercy, and forgiveness toward these people !!!

Kenneth states that he caught you on something.

You say we can stumble and sin on occasion? That you do.
Yet, you expect others to be perfect, if not, we have tickets to hell? What do you believe?


Shall l go on?

 

[Jason0047]

sry, can we stop right there?

are you saying you're only interested in obeying God if it would lead to your death if you didn't?

Well, God's burden is easy and it is light. God knows that fellowship is not always possible every day or even every week. A believer can be stranded in a jungle for along time with no other Christians around. Is he condemned because he cannot have fellowship?

 

[Jason0047]

Kenneth states that he caught you on something.

Do you know what that something is?

You say we can stumble and sin on occasion?

No, what I am saying is that a believer can potentially stumble and sin on occasion but in time they will perfect their walk with God.

That you do.

Is my life the standard or is God's Word the standard?

Yet, you expect others to be perfect, if not, we have tickets to hell?

No, I hold the same standard to myself as I do for other believers because it is what God's Word says. Jesus says be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. Do you believe Jesus? I sure do. I believe he wants us both to be perfect. Paul says sin shall not have dominion over you. Do you believe Paul?

In other words, the difference between us is that I believe Scripture in the fact that it says I will conquer sin and be an overcomer. I do not make excuses for sin by saying that I will forever be a slave to it the rest of my life.

What do you believe?

I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins so as to offer the free gift to man. He rose from the dead three days later so as to give us a new resurrected life in Him. A resurrected life that is changed and different. Born again. The new man. Being a new creature in Christ not by my own power, but by the power of Jesus Christ. For once a person admits they are a sinner, and accepts Jesus they are then born again. But if they sin again, they need to confess and forsake that sin in order to continue to walk with Christ (allowing the work or righteousness of Christ to flow thru them).

Shall l go on?

Please do.

 

[Reborn]

Do you know what that something is?



No, what I am saying is that a believer can potentially stumble and sin on occasion but in time they will perfect their walk with God.



Is my life the standard or is God's Word the standard?



No, I hold the same standard to myself as I do for other believers because it is what God's Word says. Jesus says be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. Do you believe Jesus? I sure do. I believe he wants us both to be perfect. Paul says sin shall not have dominion over you. Do you believe Paul?



I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins so as to offer the free gift to man. He rose from the dead three days later so as to give us a new resurrected life in Him. A resurrected life that is changed and different. Born again. The new man. Being a new creature in Christ not by my own power, but by the power of Jesus Christ. For once a person admits they are a sinner, and accepts Jesus they are then born again. But if they sin again, they need to confess and forsake that sin in order to continue to walk with Christ (allowing the work or righteousness of Christ to flow thru them).



Please do.

Okay.

You're slipping, man.
I only see you backpedaling now.

You live one way, but expect others to live another way.
Do you know what they call people who act like that, Jason?
Same goes for ........that all seeing eye, that follows you around.

 

[Sirk]

Well, God's burden is easy and it is light. God knows that fellowship is not always possible every day or even every week. A believer can be stranded in a jungle for along time with no other Christians around. Is he condemned because he cannot have fellowship?

i don't know man. Having to be perfect is a pretty heavy burden. I suppose if you're stranded in the jungle while youre a baby and raised by monkeys with no access to cable you'd be cool.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Do you know what they call people who act like that ... ?

As the imminent Dr. Aaron Beck, Christian psychiatrist and father of cognitive theory said, when a clinician approached him and described a husband who was part of a couple seeking marital counseling as "selfish, abusive, non-cooperative, and sullen" and asked him his suspected diagnosis:

"Sounds to me like he's just a simple run-of-the-mill jerk."

 

[Jason0047]

Well, God's burden is easy and it is light. God knows that fellowship is not always possible every day or even every week. A believer can be stranded in a jungle for along time with no other Christians around. Is he condemned because he cannot have fellowship?

Also, I want to add: Did Paul have fellowship when he was trapped in prison?

 

[Jason0047]

i don't know man. Having to be perfect is a pretty heavy burden. I suppose if you're stranded in the jungle while youre a baby and raised by monkeys with no access to cable you'd be cool.

Not really. When the disciples marveled at Christ's words on how it is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God with them saying,

"who then can be saved?" Christ replied by saying,

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The word "defile" here is in reference to destroy. When a person "sins" they destroy and defile the temple of God. For example: sexual sin is done against the body. But one can repent of this sin, though. Jesus says it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but it is what comes out of his mouth that defiles (destroys) him. A person can repent of this, too. But a person cannot repent of suicide (if they stay dead), though.



I am sorry. The Word of God is our authority here and not people opinions, and feelings.

Yes but you are not listening to that authoritive word, but instead interjecting your own opinion into it.
LOVE, MERCY, FORGIVENESS: These are all fruits traits of the Spirit your person doctrine is not showing by writing these people off..................

Please do not respond to me no more until you can learn to show those traits to all people !!!

 

[Sirk]

Not really. When the disciples marveled at Christ's words on how it is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God with them saying,

"who then can be saved?" Christ replied by saying,

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

exactly.....

 

[Jason0047]

Okay.

You're slipping, man.
I only see you backpedaling now.

You live one way, but expect others to live another way.
Do you know what they call people who act like that, Jason?
Same goes for ........that all seeing eye, that follows you around.

Not at all. I confess sin and strive to forsake sin (so as to be forgiven) and I do not make excuses for sin by saying that I will forever be a slave to it. I believe I will conquer sin because I believe what the Bible says. Therein lies the difference between us. For it is like the alcoholic who strives to be sober free and believes he can do so (Even if he stumbles on his road to recovery). However, you believe that such a thing as being sober is just not possible, though.

 

[Sirk]

Also, I want to add: Did Paul have fellowship when he was trapped in prison?

Did paul win the prison guards over to Christ by telling them how bad they were? Or by praying and giving praise to God throughout the night?

 

[Jason0047]

Yes but you are not listening to that authoritive word, but instead interjecting your own opinion into it.
LOVE, MERCY, FORGIVENESS: These are all fruits traits of the Spirit your person doctrine is not showing by writing these people off..................

Please do not respond to me no more until you can learn to show those traits to all people !!!

Now, you are falsely accusing? Where did I not show love, mercy, and forgiveness to people? Where did I seem hateful to a person? Please provide Post #'s. Where did I not show mercy or forgiveness towards people? Did I say I did not forgive someone here? If you believe otherwise, please provide Post #'s.

 

[Sirk]

Not at all. I confess sin and strive to forsake sin (so as to be forgiven) and I do not make excuses for sin by saying that I will forever be a slave to it. I believe I will conquer sin because I believe what the Bible says. Therein lies the difference between us. For it is like the alcoholic who strives to be sober free and believes he can do so (Even if he stumbles on his road to recovery). However, you believe that such a thing as being sober is just not possible, though.

Wrong. We believe what the bible says about man and his inability to save himself. You might as well be a Buddhist. Your philosophy is the same.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Did Paul have fellowship when he was trapped in prison?

He obviously doesn't know that Paul converted the entire Praetorian Guard while under house arrest in Rome.