Pride goes before destruction

[DesiredHaven]

Thank you Desired Haven. I pray so much for more believers to come into my life so as to have fellowship. I have been praying for a while now for more and more faithful believers to build me up in the goodness of Christ like you do. Thank you dear sister for your loving way. May God bless your heart.

Me too Jason, I hear what you are saying Bro and I thank God for you

This one really helped

1 Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Thanks for showing me that could be done, in the face of what I beheld, truly, the grace of God is with you because the effect of grace is truly seen in you.

You were really a light even to me in all of that stuff coming at you. In fact without that stuff coming at you, I probably wouldnt have been able to see something I dont ever think I ever saw before, which is how such love and kindness can manage to be returned in the face of all that hatred coming your way

It wasnt wasted, God really bless me, through your example, I pray He blesses you back tenfold.

Our God bless you also in Christ Jesus the Lord

Peace

 

[Jason0047]

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Please show where I was being prideful. I would be happy to apologize if that was the case. I am merely defending God's Word and what I believe to be true, right, good, and loving.

 

[Jason0047]

Me too Jason, I hear what you are saying Bro and I thank God for you

This one really helped

1 Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Thanks for showing me that could be done, in the face of what I beheld, truly, the grace of God is with you because the effect of grace is truly seen in you.

You were really a light even to me in all of that stuff coming at you. In fact without that stuff coming at you, I probably wouldnt have been able to see something I dont ever think I ever saw before, which is how such love and kindness can manage to be returned in the face of all that hatred coming your way

It wasnt wasted, God really bless me, through your example, I pray He blesses you back tenfold.

Our God bless you also in Christ Jesus the Lord

Peace

Thank you Desired Haven for your words.

They are like rays of sunshine in the eye of a storm.

But truly it is by God's grace and not our own doing that keeps us comforted in Him amongst adversity (As you know).

Anyways, God bless you, Desired Haven.

 

[kennethcadwell]

As for cases of suicide with it being a mental disorder: Well, like I said, if they are unaware of right and wrong, then they are free from being condemned. If they are aware of what is right and wrong, then they are not going to get away with their sin.

As for Paul and fellowship: Well, I was referencing the forsaking of assembling with others. Paul was in prison by himself for a while. There was no fellowship always. Did God place him into a situation where he was forsaking the assembly of fellowship (Thereby breaking a Command in Scripture)? No. Such a command is not to be treated with such wooden literalism. For to do so would be to be like the Pharisees who got upset at Jesus who helped to do good on the Sabbath.

Well you are finally coming around a little bit..............

As for Paul being in prison for awhile by himself this would not qualify as forsaking the assembling with others.
Forsaking means you have a choice to assemble together or not and then chose not to do this. Also it means telling others you don't have to follow this command. Apostle Paul being in prison does not qualify as forsaking the assembly because he did not have a choice.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Please show where I was being prideful.

Pick a post. Any post. Anywhere on this forum.

I would be happy to apologize if that was the case.

You won't recognize truth when you see it, so how can you be expected to grasp your own pride?

I am merely defending God's Word and what I believe to be true, right, good, and loving.

Your arrogance and pride is only exceeded by your ignorance. You wouldn't know biblical truth ff Jesus Himself smacked you with the Bible, and you don't understand love from the perspective of what is required to express it.

[HR][/HR]
For the record, all of you in this little mutual admiration society you've got going on, congratulating and electronically high-fiving one another over your shared heresy will from this moment forward be totally ignored. I urge others to do the same. Discussion with this little powwow of heretics is impossible, and argument is nothing but frustration.

Posting anything with you, as I've already said to one of you, is like grasping after wind, and your "creed" is just as spiritually and structurally stable as the wind. It is obvious you prefer error and false teaching to sound biblical doctrine, and reason escapes all of you.

If you were my addiction clients, I'd tell you to go on with your life, because you show no signs of hope. With them, it gets their attention and gives them pause. With you, you'd thank me for sentencing you to death.

 

[Jason0047]

Well you are finally coming around a little bit..............

As for Paul being in prison for awhile by himself this would not qualify as forsaking the assembling with others.
Forsaking means you have a choice to assemble together or not and then chose not to do this. Also it means telling others you don't have to follow this command. Apostle Paul being in prison does not qualify as forsaking the assembly because he did not have a choice.

As for suicide: I didn't change my views on it. I am just clarifying them for you.

As for Paul's situation: It proves that God does not always desire His people to always be in fellowship 24/7. Also, if there is no church in your area that believes as you do, and they condone sin in some way, should I compromise my morals in what I believe to be good (According to the Bible) just so that I can have fellowship with them anyways? I don't believe that to be the case. Is that command in reference to assembling at a church building or is it in reference to gathering with other believers so as to communicate with them the Word of God and to worship with them in some other place or setting?

 

[kennethcadwell]

No, You misunderstood what I wrote. Slow down and please re-read what I am writing. We preach because we care and love people and we help those who are suffering for the same reasons. Also, how do you know I do not help those who are poor and suffering?

I never said you did not help others.
I was making a point that if a person preaches the word but does not show love to others that preaching is done in vain.

Like I said we see eye to eye in some areas, but in other areas the Holy Spirit has been tugging at me to show and tell you the truth on. One of which is the area of depression that He so persistantly wants me to get acrossed to you. I have experience with these people that suffer with depression and I know exactly how their mindset works. Which is why I will not sit back and let another claim they would not be saved if they go as far as suicide. The Holy Spirit will not let this slide either, which is why He has pushed me to get this acrossed to you.

 

[Jason0047]

Pick a post. Any post. Anywhere on this forum.

You won't recognize truth when you see it, so how can you be expected to grasp your own pride?

Your arrogance and pride is only exceeded by your ignorance. You wouldn't know biblical truth of Jesus Himself smacked you with the Bible, and you don't understand love from the perspective of what is required to express it.

For the record, all of you in this little mutual admiration society you've got going on, congratulating and electronically high-fiving one another over your shared heresy will from this moment forward be totally ignored by me. Discussing anything with you, as I've already said to one of you, is like grasping after wind, and your "creed" is just as spiritually and structurally stable as the wind. It is obvious you prefer error and false teaching to sound biblical doctrine, and reason escapes all of you.

If you were my addiction clients, I'd tell you to go on with your life, because you show no signs of hope. With them, it gets their attention and gives them pause. With you, you'd thank me for sentencing you to death.

May God's love shine upon you.
And may His peace fill you in all areas of your life.

 

[Sirk]

No, You misunderstood what I wrote. Slow down and please re-read what I am writing. We preach because we care and love people and we help those who are suffering for the same reasons. Also, how do you know I do not help those who are poor and suffering?

Well it looks like you have two people in your congregation and your theology is dying on the vine.

 

[kennethcadwell]

As for suicide: I didn't change my views on it. I am just clarifying them for you.

As for Paul's situation: It proves that God does not always desire His people to always be in fellowship 24/7. Also, if there is no church in your area that believes as you do, and they condone sin in some way, should I compromise my morals in what I believe to be good (According to the Bible) just so that I can have fellowship with them anyways? I don't believe that to be the case. Is that command in reference to assembling at a church building or is it in reference to gathering with other believers so as to communicate with them the Word of God and to worship with them in some other place or setting?

I don't think anybody said it had to be 24/7 with the fellowship, for you still have to have time to take care of our family needs.

Second and once again I do not condone sin as you are saying, and am not telling you to condone it either.
But just trying to show you by the Spirit working through me the best way I can, that suicide is not quite the automatic condemning sin that you originally made it out to be. There are variables such as the Lord's mercy that plays into it, as well as the person's heart. Both of which we can not speak for, because the Lord will choose to have mercy on who He chooses rather you may like it or not and we do not know the heart of the individual.
For their heart may still be with the Lord even though their mindset is not in the proper condition to think straight.

 

[Jason0047]

I never said you did not help others.
I was making a point that if a person preaches the word but does not show love to others that preaching is done in vain.

Like I said we see eye to eye in some areas, but in other areas the Holy Spirit has been tugging at me to show and tell you the truth on. One of which is the area of depression that He so persistantly wants me to get acrossed to you. I have experience with these people that suffer with depression and I know exactly how their mindset works. Which is why I will not sit back and let another claim they would not be saved if they go as far as suicide. The Holy Spirit will not let this slide either, which is why He has pushed me to get this acrossed to you.

As for preaching the Word in love: Yes, I agree, it must be done in love or it is in vain. But I do not believe I have preached in hate. If you can prove otherwise, then by all means show which post #'s where you think this might be the case.

As for depression: Well, anxiety and depression are sinful behaviorial choices. Read this article on depression here:

Anxiety and Depression are not caused from chemical imbalances of Junk science
(Please take note that I do not believe everything this site teaches; I merely agree with the article).

 

[Jason0047]

I don't think anybody said it had to be 24/7 with the fellowship, for you still have to have time to take care of our family needs.

Second and once again I do not condone sin as you are saying, and am not telling you to condone it either.
But just trying to show you by the Spirit working through me the best way I can, that suicide is not quite the automatic condemning sin that you originally made it out to be. There are variables such as the Lord's mercy that plays into it, as well as the person's heart. Both of which we can not speak for, because the Lord will choose to have mercy on who He chooses rather you may like it or not and we do not know the heart of the individual.
For their heart may still be with the Lord even though their mindset is not in the proper condition to think straight.

I disagree. I think confession is pretty iron clad for a believer. They have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin according to 1 John 1:9. If there was some other means to be forgiven of sin for a believer, then surely we would know about it in Scripture. Confession then leads to repentance or a forsaking of sin (Which then backs up 1 John 1:7).

 

[Reborn]

As for preaching the Word in love: Yes, I agree, it must be done in love or it is in vain. But I do not believe I have preached in hate. If you can prove otherwise, then by all means show which post #'s where you think this might be the case.

As for depression: Well, anxiety and depression are sinful behaviorial choices. Read this article on depression here:

Anxiety and Depression are not caused from chemical imbalances of Junk science
(Please take note that I do not believe everything this site teaches).

Unbelievable. You show love? How about showing a little bit off love for those who suffer from depression, man?
Its a "choice"?

 

[Sirk]

As for preaching the Word in love: Yes, I agree, it must be done in love or it is in vain. But I do not believe I have preached in hate. If you can prove otherwise, then by all means show which post #'s where you think this might be the case.

As for depression: Well, anxiety and depression are sinful behaviorial choices. Read this article on depression here:

Anxiety and Depression are not caused from chemical imbalances of Junk science
(Please take note that I do not believe everything this site teaches).

Anger anxiety and depression are the result of unprocessed pain. An inability to express painful feelings culminates in a combination of these three things.

 

[Jason0047]

Unbelievable. You show love? How about showing a little bit off love for those who suffer from depression, man?
Its a "choice"?

Did you read the article and look at the Scriptures?

 

[Jason0047]

I don't think anybody said it had to be 24/7 with the fellowship, for you still have to have time to take care of our family needs.

Obviously people would need to sleep, go to bathroom, and eat during this time. So 24/7 cannot be taken literally here. 24/7 is an exageration to a certain set amount of time that shows an extreme level of devotion to a certain activity or command. I was trying to say is that God in this instance directly intervened whereby Paul could not obey that command.

Second and once again I do not condone sin as you are saying, and am not telling you to condone it either.

I believe people are making an excuse for sin if they say they will never be able to stop in their sin. It is making an allowance for sin thinking you will never be able to escape it. But Paul says, sin shall not have dominion over you.

 

[Jason0047]

Anger anxiety and depression are the result of unprocessed pain. An inability to express painful feelings culminates in a combination of these three things.

Which is a choice.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I disagree. I think confession is pretty iron clad for a believer. They have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin according to 1 John 1:9. If there was some other means to be forgiven of sin for a believer, then surely we would know about it in Scripture. Confession then leads to repentance or a forsaking of sin (Which then backs up 1 John 1:7).

A person who has a mental disorder/disability such as depression that effects the thought process of that person will not be held accountable to that standard of confession. Their mindset is not in proper thinking when they suffer in depression, so once again you continue to make life and death decisions on others instead of leaving that to the Lord.

I am not denying confession Jason, but the part I don't agree with you on is the fact that a person has to show proof of that confession. I mean you make it out that the only way this works is; You sin, confess it, then live rightfully from here on out and can't even stumble any more.

That is completely not what the bible teaches, as nowhere does it say after the confession is made they have to prove it by how they live here on out in all cases. For you have cases such as the thief on the cross who lived his life wrongfully all his life, and then confessed his sin at the last minute before he died. Did he get salvation or eternal death ?

He got salvation and that standard still applies today, that if a person repents of the way they lived on their death bed then they will be forgiven. These people would have no chance to prove in their life their repentance was true, which is why the heart comes into play in which only the Lord knows where it sits. Because in those moments only the Lord will know if their heart was truly in that repentance.

Same goes with depression that the persons heart may still be functioning right, but their mind is not, and therefore the Lord will show mercy to them !!!

 

[Reborn]

Did you read the article and look at the Scriptures?

Don't really care what it says about it.

As for scriptures.....yes, l know what can solve depression, Jason. Funny, you always tell people that you never listen to man, yet you post so many things written by them.

If someone suffers from depression, bro, walking up to them and dropping scripture most likely isn't going to work on the spot. Like Sirk said, it goes deep, and we are to love and encourage them.

You lack some serious love in your responses. Another lie. You claim you show love, then post things without thinking.


You have spoken for months. The crowd knows who you are. No need to proceed.

 

[Jason0047]

Don't really care what it says about it.

As for scriptures.....yes, l know what can solve depression, Jason. Funny, you always tell people that you never listen to man, yet you post so many things written by them.

If someone suffers from depression, bro, walking up to them and dropping scripture most likely isn't going to work on the spot. Like Sirk said, it goes deep, and we are to love and encourage them.

You lack some serious love in your responses. Another lie. You claim you show love, then post things without thinking.


You have spoken for months. The crowd knows who you are. No need to proceed.

Jesus is the cure to a person's depression but they have to study His Word and pray to the Lord to cure them of such a thing.

As for not caring about what the article says: They use Scripture to back up what they are saying. Why wouldn't you want to investigate this issue with Scripture?