The Word Therefore.....

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And why do you pit scripture against scripture?

Why not discuss what DC has brought up?

Please explain how DC is wrong with the scriptures he has brought up.
I didn't comment on what he posted in the OP. I posted one verse of scripture and he magically redefined words and meanings. He's pretty impressive. :)
 
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Why don't you just address the verses and thoughts brought up in the OP?

Please exegete them for us if he has them wrong.
Can you please do that on the other thread with me?

I keep asking, thanks
 
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I didn't comment on what he posted in the OP. I posted one verse of scripture and he magically redefined words and meanings. He's pretty impressive. :)
Keep believing that....your spiritualized away pseudo gospel will be evident one day...albeit too late for you though!
 
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Maybe you should write your own version of the Bible seeing how you disagree with many of the words, meanings, and verses found in it. (the gospel according to D-con) Catchy huh? :)
That's a joke coming from you...hey look it is simple...keep rejecting the actual meaning of the words and context that prove my interpretation right while spiritualizing away the truth....you will find out one day soon...I will be glad to wait....no biggie to me!
 
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Why don't you just address the verses and thoughts brought up in the OP?

Please exegete them for us if he has them wrong.
He can't...all he can do is make snide remarks as the definition of the words and context prove my stance right and his nothing but error...
 
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You mean when the word of D-con doesn't agree with the words of God. Think I'll stick with the words of God. :)
Yeah you bet.......maybe if you actually did that in context while paying heed to the actual words and the translations that jive with the context you might figure out the truth....but in reality not much hope for you when you spiritualize away everything and stand on your own fallible view...!
 
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Yeah you bet.......maybe if you actually did that in context while paying heed to the actual words and the translations that jive with the context you might figure out the truth....but in reality not much hope for you when you spiritualize away everything and stand on your own fallible view...!
Well maybe if I come down to your level then we can see eye to eye. :)

 
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Therefore is a logical indicator, it refers back to what has been taught and leads to a summary statement......it indicates a conclusion based upon the preceding scripture and can stand alone as absolute truth......Notice the conclusions that Paul makes under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.....

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
[SUP]28[/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The summary statements are clear and the following absolute truths can be gleaned and applied biblically....

1. No Flesh justified (rendered innocent) by the deeds of the law, the law gives the knowledge that we are sinners
2. The righteousness of God is manifested in JESUS who was witnessed to by the law and prophets
3. The righteousness of GOD dia Christ and his faith is unto all and upon all that BELIEVE (have faith) God's righteousness is imputed unto me dia faith
4. All continually sin and fall short of the glory of God (look up verb tense of sin) all are SINNING and CONTINUALLLY FALLING SHORT of the GLORY of GOD
5. We are rendered INNOCENT (justified) by the grace of the FATHER dia the buy back that is found in JESUS
6. Christ is the payment (propitiation) for our sin dia the blood of Christ and THROUGH FAITH (belief)
7. He (Heavenly Father) is JUST and the JUSTIFIER of the ones who BELIEVE IN JESUS (exercise faith)
8. NO ability of men to boast in ANY WORK (Paul gloried in the cross of Christ)
9. THEREFORE the conclusion is that a man is justified (rendered INNOCENT) by FAITH without the deeds of the law (works of the law, keeping the law, doing the law)

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE!

THEREFORE is a SUMMARY CONCLUSION and POINTS TO AN ESTABLISHED CONCLUSION of TRUTH!
I find interesting you left off Vs 19. The THEREFORE In Vs 20 is the conclusion of TRUTH to Vs19 and not to Vs 21-28 Vs 21 starts a new paragraph and thought.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God
 
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I find interesting you left off Vs 19.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God
Therefore refers back to what has been established and I did cover it under number 1...

1. No Flesh justified (rendered innocent) by the deeds of the law, the law gives the knowledge that we are sinners
 
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Therefore refers back to what has been established and I did cover it under number 1...

1. No Flesh justified (rendered innocent) by the deeds of the law, the law gives the knowledge that we are sinners
No you did not, you left off Vs 19.
 
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You should look the word committeth up and study it......as it means to abide or continue in sin and does not carry the idea of someone who occasionally falls and sins or one who occasionally fails and sins...it carries the idea of one who abides in an unrepentant state who continually walks in sin.......for those who are in Christ the above is true....where sin abounds...grace did much more abound! and John was clear....If YOU are one saying that you have no sin or that you don't sin (occasionally) you are deceived and the truth is not IN YOU........
You seem to now be preaching the very same sinless perfection you condemn from others.
 
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No you did not, you left off Vs 19.
I am not going to argue with you Josh.....


Therefore is a logical indicator, it refers back to what has been taught and leads to a summary statement......

1. No Flesh justified (rendered innocent) by the deeds of the law, the law gives the knowledge that we are sinners


[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God

My opening statement refers back to what has BEEN TAUGHT...open your eyes MAN and quit being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative!
 
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You seem to now be preaching the very same sinless perfection you condemn from others.
Did you have your meds today...NO I DID NOT....slow down and READ!

You should look the word committeth up and study it......as it means to abide or continue in sin and does not carry the idea of someone who occasionally falls and sins or one who occasionally fails and sins...it carries the idea of one who abides in an unrepentant state who continually walks in sin.......for those who are in Christ the above is true....where sin abounds...grace did much more abound! and John was clear....If YOU are one saying that you have no sin or that you don't sin (occasionally) you are deceived and the truth is not IN YOU........

 
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I am not going to argue with you Josh.....


Therefore is a logical indicator, it refers back to what has been taught and leads to a summary statement......

1. No Flesh justified (rendered innocent) by the deeds of the law, the law gives the knowledge that we are sinners


[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God

My opening statement refers back to what has BEEN TAUGHT...open your eyes MAN and quit being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative!
Whatever bro..

Your completely contradicting and backpedaling, because you left off 19. You know that 19 completes 20, but you did not do that here. Why? because you are also implying the therefore in 20 can be stand alone so you may continue promoting your pet doctrine that we are still sinners to refute the sinless perfection doctrine folks. you said that 23 means we continually sin, yet really 23 confirms what Romans 1 -2 states our condition is before we come to Jesus.

Your right no more argument with you, because you are trying to be clever to win an argument. Here let me rep you again so the hash tags can match the size of your head and ego.
 

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Therefore refers back to what has been established and I did cover it under number 1...

1. No Flesh justified (rendered innocent) by the deeds of the law, the law gives the knowledge that we are sinners
You mean rise up to my level.....you really shouldn't post videos of you or your relatives online like that.....
Bahahhahahahaha
 
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Whatever bro..

Your completely contradicting and backpedaling, because you left off 19. You know that 19 completes 20, but you did not do that here. Why? because you are also implying the therefore in 20 can be stand alone so you may continue promoting your pet doctrine that we are still sinners to refute the sinless perfection doctrine folks. you said that 23 means we continually sin, yet really 23 confirms what Romans 1 -2 states our condition is before we come to Jesus.

Your right no more argument with you, because you are trying to be clever to win an argument. Here let me rep you again so the hash tags can match the size of your head and ego.
Keep mouthing Josh....it means nothing to me....THEREFORE is a summary conclusion and does stand alone...maybe you should go and study hermeneutics and open your eyes to truth bro.....19 does not complete verse 20....19 completes verses 10-19 and the conclusion is found in verse 20-28 and I suggest some ambesol for your mouth and mouthy comments! AND if you carefully study verse 23 you will find what FORM OF THE VERB IT IS WRITTEN IN which shows that humanity in the flesh CONTINUALLY FALLS SHORT of the glory of GOD either by ONE failure and sin or by a continual sinful state.....! I really could care less if you want to argue, reject, deny the validity of the post....serious!