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leonardronaldo
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http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/101725-god-loves-sinner-hates-sin.html
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You must have not watched the video. He hates the sinner as well
But as I claimed, His hatred is not like yours or mine.
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leonardronaldo
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And this is according to? Does everyone include Lucifer and other fallen angels? Does everyone include those who are in hell now?
1 Samuel 15:3
'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
2 Kings 2:24 (Elisha mocked)
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!" When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.
'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
2 Kings 2:24 (Elisha mocked)
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!" When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.
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leonardronaldo
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Thanks for posting.
But, since you are unsure (based on your personal profile), may i know what do you understand from the verses that you posted?
That the God of the Bible is loving and very strict and would never allow anyone to thwart His plans.
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Viligant_Warrior
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I respect Paul Washer, but he is wrong. John 3:16 proves that Jesus' love extended to all men. Washer and others make the mistake of thinking God's wrath is poured out in anger and hatred. That is universes away from the truth.
His wrath is poured out in justice, and nothing more. Justice knows not hatred, or it is not justice. It is right, necessary, and divinely declared. It does not require hatred to be meted out.
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leonardronaldo
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leonardronaldo
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No, he was not. Of course God loves all men, but at the same time He hates. God's hatred is not like humans' hatred, the hatred that you think of. As you have said, that He is Just, His hatred is perfectly Just. Unlike humans' hatred which are most of the time selfish.
The Bible clearly mentions in some verses, that God hates certain people. One of which has been mentioned in the video.
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Romans 5:8
king James version(kjv)
8.)But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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Miro
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Sorry this verse is wrong! Songs 5-5 (that is the verse that the brother paul was talking about?)
Hello Miro
There is a reply with quote at the bottom right corner of this post.When you post and you show the post that you are responding to then everyone will know who you are directing your post to.
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Miro
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Okay if god hates sinners then we should too! Yes god is just so thats why he came to earth to die for these sinners and if he hates them then why he came!, you can say because they make mistakes (sins) that is why god punish them (the cost of the sin is death) because he is just not because he hates sinners!..And the verse was wrong in this video (songs 5-5) ., when he said at this video that if you love something then you hate something els like when you love the black american you hate slavery ..yes but i hate the thought of slavery not the people who believe in it..You must have not watched the video. He hates the sinner as well
But as I claimed, His hatred is not like yours or mine.
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leonardronaldo
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Amen, yes brother. His love is perfectly commended to us, sinners. But at the same time, He hates the sinners. Hope the video helps.
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leonardronaldo
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It's Psalms 5:5, sister Miro. Thank you for dropping by. Hope the video helps you.
Anyway, I see that you are a sister in Christ in Egypt. May the Holy Spirit protects and leads you and other sisters in Christ in Egypt, on every steps of life. Amen.
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Viligant_Warrior
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If God truly hates sinners, then how is it that He loved us "while we were yet sinners"?
Romans 5, NASB
6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. [Emphasis added]
6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. [Emphasis added]
Whether you are Calvinist, Arminian, or something in between, that is a dichotomy you cannot resolve if God actually hates sinners. Washer doesn't resolve it either.
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