Why didn't Jesus Baptize?

[posthuman]

important to remember that "baptize" is not a translated word.
it is a transliterated Greek word into English --

the word is "baptizo" and it simply means "to immerse"

it does not necessarily mean to dunk in water.

when we put our faith in Christ, we become "immersed" in Christ Himself ((a-la Romans 6)) by the action of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Great question and many great responses.

I like the thought that Jesus is the Living Water and He baptizes everyone who has faith in Him.

But the OP asked for scripture, so far CRC has been the only one that has given something close to what I think God has given us in His word, it is when Paul corrected the many that thought their baptism was special because of who baptized them, and not the baptism its self that was important, see CRC's post #29

 

[posthuman]

Just like Swordsman, you teach two baptisms and the bible teaches one (Eph. 4:5)

you have a reading comprehension problem for sure,
and i think you idolize H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

try again. God's hand saves & redeems & washes my soul, not an evangelist's. i have no other priest than Jesus Christ Himself.

 

[Jabberjaw]

important to remember that "baptize" is not a translated word.
it is a transliterated Greek word into English --

the word is "baptizo" and it simply means "to immerse"

it does not necessarily mean to dunk in water.

when we put our faith in Christ, we become "immersed" in Christ Himself ((a-la Romans 6)) by the action of the Holy Spirit.

We can go into the Greek and what baptizo means, we can start (or continue another thread) in what baptism is, but you cannot take away the water with out creating contradiction, John said he could not baptize with anything but water (Matt 3:11) that he was not he Christ, yet Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize (Matt 28:19) and we are told there is only one baptism (Eph 4:5) sooooo,

What does your post have to do with the fact Jesus was never recorded baptizing anyone other than the Apostles and the house of Cornelius, that only Christ can baptize with the HS, not the disciples (who can only baptize with water) yet Jesus commands those same disciples to baptize, and since there is only one baptism Eph 4:5 ???

 

[Jabberjaw]

you have a reading comprehension problem for sure,
and i think you idolize H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

try again. God's hand saves & redeems & washes my soul, not an evangelist's. i have no other priest than Jesus Christ Himself.

Like Willie-T, you have walked all around the OP question as to why the bible never records Jesus ever baptizing anyone (other than the Apostles and the house of Cornelius) yet commands all to be baptized "by His disciples" Matt 28:19 who cannot baptize with HS, only water Matt 3:11...

You cannot answer, so you attempt to sidetrack the thread.

 

[Willie-T]

Like Willie-T, you have walked all around the OP question as to why the bible never records Jesus ever baptizing anyone (other than the Apostles and the house of Cornelius) yet commands all to be baptized "by His disciples" Matt 28:19 who cannot baptize with HS, only water Matt 3:11...

You cannot answer, so you attempt to sidetrack the thread.

Thick as a brick. I really mean that. His purpose (as He stated) was clearly outlined. Why would you expect the Bible to talk about something He never intended to do? It doesn't tell us about Him baking pies either..... gosh, I wonder why?

 

[posthuman]

We can go into the Greek and what baptizo means, we can start (or continue another thread) in what baptism is, but you cannot take away the water with out creating contradiction, John said he could not baptize with anything but water (Matt 3:11) that he was not he Christ, yet Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize (Matt 28:19) and we are told there is only one baptism (Eph 4:5) sooooo

baptize means "immerse"

Christ commanded the disciples to "immerse" believers in His name, making disciples.

when you get a bathtub full of Jesus, we'll talk. go for a swim.

until then, just as the circumcision of the body by human hands is worthless,
the baptism by God's hands is the "one baptism"

here, maybe this will help you out:

https://www.universalclass.com/i/course/reading-comprehension-101.htm

 

[posthuman]

It doesn't tell us about Him baking pies either..... gosh, I wonder why?

actually . . .

When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread. Jesus said to them,
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“Bring some of the fish you have just caught.”
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So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. Jesus said to them,
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“Come and have breakfast.”
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None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish.
(John 21:9-13)
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[Jabberjaw]

baptize means "immerse"

Christ commanded the disciples to "immerse" believers in His name, making disciples.

when you get a bathtub full of Jesus, we'll talk. go for a swim.

until then, just as the circumcision of the body by human hands is worthless,
the baptism by God's hands is the "one baptism"

here, maybe this will help you out:

https://www.universalclass.com/i/course/reading-comprehension-101.htm

Again, a dance around a question you cannot answer.

Where in the bible did Jesus baptize anyone besides the Apostles (on Pentecost) and the house of Cornelius ?

use scripture, not your opinion

 

[posthuman]

Again, a dance around a question you cannot answer.

Where in the bible did Jesus baptize anyone besides the Apostles (on Pentecost) and the house of Cornelius ?

use scripture, not your opinion

i find it impossible to believe that in the space of 3 minutes you completed an entire reading comprehension course.

get back to me when you can understand what i posted.

 

[Willie-T]

actually . . .

When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread. Jesus said to them,
​

“Bring some of the fish you have just caught.”
​

So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. Jesus said to them,
​

“Come and have breakfast.”
​

None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish.
(John 21:9-13)
​

Ok..... I see it now. No wonder some of you guys can't seem to follow simple things. You think broiling a fish is baking a pie.

It may be difficult, but I think we can help you learn to distinguish the difference.

 

[posthuman]

Ok..... I see it now. No wonder you can't seem to follow simple things. You think broiling a fish is baking a pie.

It may be difficult, but I think we can help you learn to distinguish the difference.

hey baking bread is kind of like baking a pie, lol. and there's such a thing as a fish pie, you know!

sorry, close as i could find

i'm on your side, man. you're right; the washing that Christ came to do is not done with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

 

[Jabberjaw]

i find it impossible to believe that in the space of 3 minutes you completed an entire reading comprehension course.

get back to me when you can understand what i posted.

What makes you think your some authority on comprehension? if you were you'd understand the simple OP question and not side track it (or attempt to)

Where does the bible record Jesus baptizing anyone other than the Apostles on Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4) and the house of Cornelius (Acts 10:44)?

 

[kennethcadwell]

MsLimpet, like WordSwordsman posted, the fact that Jesus never baptized with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O is found here:

Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John — although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.
(John 4:1-2)​

but it is not technically correct to say that Christ Himself did not or does not baptize at all -- just that He does not use H[SUB]2[/SUB]O; He baptizes with a greater baptism, that of Spirit & "fire" -- that's found in a couple of places:

John the baptist foretells Christ's baptism here, and makes a distinction between man's and God's baptism:

I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
(Matthew 3:11)​

the same statement is also recorded in Luke 3:16.

Christ told the disciples this also, found here:

For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
(Acts 1:5)​

after Peter visited with the gentile Cornelius and saw the holy Spirit poured out on them while he was preaching, before they had ever been H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptized by any men, he realized that it was God who truly baptizes, not the ritual of men, as the disciples had previously understood, and that the gospel was for all mankind, not just the Jews, because God Himself had shown these people to be approved at the moment they heard and believed, not only after they went through some ritual steps. explaining what had happened to the other believers, Peter recalled what Christ had said:

Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
(Acts 11:16)​

we attribute this baptism of Spirit to the hand of Christ, not the hand of men.
that is why i would say Christ does baptize, but not with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O -- and He does it when we hear and believe - our obedient actions afterwards notwithstanding. i believe this is how Peter understood it too - as he says in 1 Peter 3:21, it is not the washing of water, but the answer of a good conscious towards God -- that is, it is faith, not the ritual we practice itself that saves.

i could go on. Paul says there is only one baptism (Ephesians 4:5) -- so it must be that baptism by God's hand, not by the hand of people. he also mentions circumcision by God's hand, not men's, being the "true" circumcision (Colossians 2:11), so also the baptism by God's hand, not man's, is the true one.

all this doesn't mean that H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism is bad, or that it should not be done, or anything like that. it means that what we've all done in being baptized publicly with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O is only a symbol of what God Himself has done in out hearts. when you heard the gospel and believed it, God put His Spirit in you and began to change you. from that point on, you have become His own, and you are made clean by Him, declared righteous and justified by Christ's blood, according to the faith you have in Him, by His grace.

some people will argue about this, because they want power to be their own, instead of God's -- so they'll idolize the ritual as though it is the important thing. it is not. we need to be obedient, but if anyone believes and has faith in Christ, even if they are never baptized in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O, they are approved by God. again, we should be baptized with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O as an obedient reply in good faith to what God did to us in our heart, to testify to people about what has happened to us. as a sign.
but our faith is in God, not in a priest. our salvation is worked by Jesus, and no one else.

Yes baptism by water should never be taken and looked at as bad or not needed.
For our Lord Jesus Christ commanded it to be done by us in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16, as both of those places where He commands baptism is by water. Also Apostle Peter in Acts 2:38 show the standard on how the Holy Spirit is received by believers, and there he says we are to repent and be baptized (H[SUB]2[/SUB]O) in His name first.

Jesus did not do the H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptizing because He commanded and left that up to men to do, as He was sent to preach the gospel message, die for our sins, and then send the Holy Spirit to us by His baptism. Plus Jesus says we are to be immersed in His name to fulfill all righteousness...

 

[je1979]

My apology to the original post and poster. I'm seizing the moment.
I hope this is of help to someone.

Jesus is our example:
1 Peter 2:21-"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:"

If the example did it, then you do it:
Matt. 3:13-"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him."
Matt. 3:15-"...it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
Matt. 3:16-"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water..."

Notice that it says "out of the water". Says it again in Acts 8:38-39.

What did Jesus teach:
Matt. 20:22-"...and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?"
Matt. 28:19-"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them..."
Mark 16:16-"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved..."
John 3:5-"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Notice in John 3:5 that Jesus said "water" and not just the Spirit as in Matt. 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33 & Acts 1:5. If we desire the truth, we must put things together instead of using one verse to cancel out another verse (Isaiah 28:10).

The acts of the apostles:
Acts 2:38-"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 2:41-"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized..."
Acts 8:12-"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women."
Acts 8:36-"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?"
Acts 9:18-"...and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."
Acts 10:47-"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"
Acts 10:48-"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord..."
Acts 16:15-"And when she was baptized, and her household..."
Acts 16:33-"...and was baptized, he and all his..."
Acts 18:8-"...believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized..."
Acts 19:5-"When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Acts 22:16-"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Paul explains why water baptism is necessary:
(1)What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? (2)God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (3)Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (4)Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (5)For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: (6)Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Jesus died and His "sinful" body was buried. Because He is our example, you must "die" to living a sinful life. What do you do with dead things? You bury them. So as the "sinful" temporary body of Jesus was buried, so is our sinful "body" to be buried. He's our example. And just like Jesus rose from His grave in newness, so are we to rise from our watery grave in newness of life.

Once again, one seeking truth would take 1 Cor. 1:17, 1 Cor. 10:2, 1 Cor. 12:13 and any other similar verses and try to incorporate them. Only the carnal mind seeks to use scripture against scripture.

Mark 3:25-"And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." Let us not be ignorant to Satan's divide and conquor strategy (2 Cor. 2:11).

 

[posthuman]

What makes you think your some authority on comprehension?

never claimed to be. guess why i gave you a link to some professional help?

Where does the bible record Jesus baptizing anyone . . ?

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession — to the praise of his glory.
(Ephesians 1:13-14)​

who did this?
who sealed those that heard and believed the gospel?
who caused us to be "included in Christ" (i.e. found to be 'immersed' in Him)?
by what hand was this done? who "marked" those that put their trust in Him?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

If what you say is true, you teach more than one baptism (there is only one Ephesians 4:5),

Ephesians 4:5 (KJV)
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

You teach Jesus telling his disciples to sin since you falsely teach Jesus telling them to do a SECOND baptism that only HE could do?:

Matthew 28:19 (KJV)
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1) you teach more than one baptism, as you claim Jesus to do all the baptizing with the HS, yet Jesus told his disciples to go throughout the world baptizing (you have two baptisms when there is only one Eph. 4:5)

2) you did not answer the question as to why the bible never teaches that Jesus baptized anyone other than the Apostles and the house of Cornelius with the HS.

I suggest you read more closely your post #22, which contains my answer. You missed the several reasons Jesus (and Paul) avoided water baptizing disciples. John's baptism was and is is done by mortal men. Jesus didn't practice that baptism. He commanded us to carry out his full baptism, the one and only spiritual baptism Paul engaged in according to Acts 19.

Would you deny that baptism in Acts 19 as being a false one? You shouldn't. Peter witnessed that spirit baptism of Cornelius et.al. in Acts 10. In Acts 2 all Christians witnessed that spiritual baptism among believers who were already partakers (at least quite familiar with) of John's water baptism. We know some of John's disciples joined Jesus, made apostles. That baptism is a sign, not a spiritual event. Being baptized into Christ is THE one and only baptism that saves.

It isn't something to dispute. It's the word of God, plain and simple.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

My apology to the original post and poster. I'm seizing the moment.
I hope this is of help to someone.

Jesus is our example:
1 Peter 2:21-"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:"

If the example did it, then you do it:
Matt. 3:13-"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him."
Matt. 3:15-"...it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
Matt. 3:16-"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water..."

Notice that it says "out of the water". Says it again in Acts 8:38-39.

What did Jesus teach:
Matt. 20:22-"...and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?"
Matt. 28:19-"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them..."
Mark 16:16-"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved..."
John 3:5-"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Notice in John 3:5 that Jesus said "water" and not just the Spirit as in Matt. 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33 & Acts 1:5. If we desire the truth, we must put things together instead of using one verse to cancel out another verse (Isaiah 28:10).

The acts of the apostles:
Acts 2:38-"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 2:41-"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized..."
Acts 8:12-"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women."
Acts 8:36-"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?"
Acts 9:18-"...and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."
Acts 10:47-"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"
Acts 10:48-"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord..."
Acts 16:15-"And when she was baptized, and her household..."
Acts 16:33-"...and was baptized, he and all his..."
Acts 18:8-"...believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized..."
Acts 19:5-"When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Acts 22:16-"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Paul explains why water baptism is necessary:
(1)What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? (2)God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (3)Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (4)Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (5)For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: (6)Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Jesus died and His "sinful" body was buried. Because He is our example, you must "die" to living a sinful life. What do you do with dead things? You bury them. So as the "sinful" temporary body of Jesus was buried, so is our sinful "body" to be buried. He's our example. And just like Jesus rose from His grave in newness, so are we to rise from our watery grave in newness of life.

Once again, one seeking truth would take 1 Cor. 1:17, 1 Cor. 10:2, 1 Cor. 12:13 and any other similar verses and try to incorporate them. Only the carnal mind seeks to use scripture against scripture.

Mark 3:25-"And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." Let us not be ignorant to Satan's divide and conquor strategy (2 Cor. 2:11).

Paul didn't describe "water" baptism in v. 1-5. He described the spiritual experience all believers undergo. Water baptism is a sign of that experience. Paul said this about that baptism (already poseted it, but here it is again). ....Acts 19:1-7 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And all the men were about twelve.

The men were of John's, baptized unto repentance, that they should believe on Jesus. They were water baptized. John had preached to his disciples of the Holy Spirit baptism, but the men perhaps forgot about that. We don't know. Paul only agreed John did that, but knew the men were in need of the spiritual baptism of Christ. What they had was not enough. They had only the introduction to the coming gospel.

When they heard Paul's message they were at last baptized into the name of Jesus. The water baptism was in the name of the Father, to lead to belief in the Son Jesus. They were stuck between repentance and Jesus.

When Paul laid hands on them they were filled with the Holy Spirit, like at Pentecost, and like at Cornelius' house, all 12 peaking in tongues, and prophesied.

 

[flob]

I read something the other day and I cannot find scripture as to why Jesus did not baptize?
I am a new Christian and...I was just baptized, looking for guidance.

By your second sentence above, Ms Limpet, I get a little more understanding about you.
Forgive me for assuming you were asking out of curiosity.
I think that John 4:2 led you to question your recent baptism a little, or to want more assurance or
truth about it. That's good! All Scripture is God-breathing, and is profitable....for instruction in righteousness
2 Timothy 3:16.
So firstly: congratulations on the step of being immersed into and raised from water, in the name of the Lord,
after believing into Him.
The New Testament says we're baptized into 5 things: into the Triune God, Matthew 28:19; into the Body of Christ,
1 Corinthians 12:13; into the One Spirit 1 Cor 12:13; and into the death of Christ, Romans 6:3; and into Christ Rm 6:3.
Of course all these 'ingredients' are one thing, one marvelous meal, compounded. But we can get into that. Of course we are also baptized in water.
Man, I realize there's so much to say. Baptism is just the beginning; it is also a concrete (physical action of identification)
testimony/confession of our faith. In other words it is public. Even if only one other person (the person who baptizes you!) sees it. Satan and his kingdom sees it and is defeated by it. Exodus 14--15:21. It is irrevocable.
Baptism is also of faith and volition (choice). Hebrews 11:6-7, 29. Of course it is His command.
I'm happy to point out all these Scriptures to you. And to everyone about baptism.
But in particular to your question, your first sentence above. I had written something true enough about John 4:2,
but I realize a better utterance, looking at your thread again tonight.
That is, namely, that Jesus did not baptize in water because................He acts through His Body, the church. Especially on this group-matter. This 'corporate' matter. Genesis shows some of our individual salvation and transformation and maturing in the Lord. But Exodus especially shows the church, our group rescue and salvation and experience and purpose. In both books there are pictures of baptism: Noah and the flood and Israel and the Red Sea. Both are 'public.' On the negative side we're freed from Satan's world. On the positive side, we really are baptized into the Body of Christ, 1 Cor 12:13.
Jesus our King and Great High Priest baptizes us..........through the members of His Body.

 

[MsLimpet]

Thank you so much for that, it gives me a greater, reasonable answer to my sincere question. I appreciate the time you took and that you reconsidered and knew my question was sincere. Happy fathers day if you are a father.