Attack on the Confederate Flag?
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i know very little of the circumstances surrounding the Civil War, but I did read Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin where she portrayed the hardship of a black Christian and his faithfulness to both God and his masters. But at the end of the book she spent a chapter raking the North over the coals for its hypocrisy.
Bring it. I have great respect for the Forefathers of this land and their people. They were cheated, raped, murdered, and pigeon-holed into reservations. To pacify them they were given alcohol and a few other commodities which has only added to their plight. And through it all, they have little-to-no political clout. I stand by my words.
Sorry to the OP for sidestepping the issue of the Confederate Flag.
Sorry to the OP for sidestepping the issue of the Confederate Flag.
You do realize I'm in command of the world's armies right? It means to be sent to rome is to be enslaved.... and believe me Jay, God has remembered all of your people, and their patience. Just as the roman's were rewarded for their faith, and the Greek's their persistence, So too will the tribesmen of the America's especially those who praise God the most high ~ Peter, King of the North, Caesar Zechariah El Elon, Lionel, Lord Commander of the Inquisition, head of the Orthodox Church, and god of the Sun.
Faith is our shield.
Faith is our shield.
J
After the War between States The South has been attacked over and over again. First it was carpetbaggers and other reconstruction characters, unfortunately with a lot of help from all sorts of scalawags...I'm not saying that the South itself is innocent, our history has a lot of flaws and we've gotten our shameful parts as well...but, the attacks on symbols are troublesome, by doing this the Southern features are slowly wiped out and the story about the war is being the story told from the north. I reckon putting the blame on Southern symbols is easier than actually dealing with the problems this country has been facing for decades and decades...just sayin...
V
Sorry, Phil, I don't agree. But we all have opinions, don't we?
First, the Tariff Act of 1820 essentially treated the South as an agricultural colony of the North. Agricultural and unfinished textile goods shipped to the northern manufacturing states were taxed to the producers at a 75% rate, two-thirds of those taxes being levied against farmers and producers in North and South Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia. Only about 15% of those taxes were returned to benefit the South. Most of those taxes were spent in the North, and in the new western territories. Unionists actually stated they wanted to preserve the Union in order to maintain and even increase those tariffs. (see John Randolph of Roanoke and the Politics of Slavery in the Early Republic, pages 122-124)
Another motivation for the war, from the North's perspective, was to keep Southern products available for pennies on the dollar of their actual market value. In order to foment war, the North began a morality campaign against slavery that blamed the South for virtually every aspect of the evil commerce while conveniently ignoring the reality that five northern states -- Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, and Rhode Island -- were the primary conduits of slaves into the U.S. (See Econmics and the Civil War)
Third, the South was vehemently opposed to the gradual centralization of government power, whereas the northern industrialists and bankers opposed the original form of the constitutional structure of the nation that relied heavily on local autonomy through States' Rights. The founders -- a good number of them Virginian farmers and livestock producers -- established a limited-powers federal government concerned only with defense, a monetary system, foreign relations, and loosely regulated commerce. The South was fighting to preserve that system. With the North's victory, the system of government actually changed, and the morass of foolishness, overregulation, and social welfare we have today is the result. (See The Confederacy)
Cultural differences and Christian values were another core issue between the North and the South. The North had, in just the 80 or so years after the Revolution, become largely secular humanist in makeup while the South was strongly and staunchly Christian. Historians have attributed this to the differences in national origin for the two populations. The South was largely of Briton, Irish, and Scottish decent whereas the North was mostly Danish and Anglo-Saxon. The two lineages had been at war for 1,000 years in Europe. (See Religion in the Civil War: A Southern Perspective)
Slavery was only an indirect cause of the war. In fact, there were five times as many abolition societies in the South as ever existed in the north, and the educated Southerner was in favor of gradual emancipation of the slaves. The use of slaves was dying out, as I stated in another post, because of the huge success of the industrialized South -- which frightened the northern industrialists because the South could do it cheaper and better than they could. Thus they created a pseudo-moral campaign against slavery when the reality was the continuation of slavery actually benefited the North, as it was slowing down and holding back the industrialization of the region. But they didn't want just to slow down the South's industrialization. They wanted to destroy it, and the competition that it represented.
First, the Tariff Act of 1820 essentially treated the South as an agricultural colony of the North. Agricultural and unfinished textile goods shipped to the northern manufacturing states were taxed to the producers at a 75% rate, two-thirds of those taxes being levied against farmers and producers in North and South Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia. Only about 15% of those taxes were returned to benefit the South. Most of those taxes were spent in the North, and in the new western territories. Unionists actually stated they wanted to preserve the Union in order to maintain and even increase those tariffs. (see John Randolph of Roanoke and the Politics of Slavery in the Early Republic, pages 122-124)
Another motivation for the war, from the North's perspective, was to keep Southern products available for pennies on the dollar of their actual market value. In order to foment war, the North began a morality campaign against slavery that blamed the South for virtually every aspect of the evil commerce while conveniently ignoring the reality that five northern states -- Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, and Rhode Island -- were the primary conduits of slaves into the U.S. (See Econmics and the Civil War)
Third, the South was vehemently opposed to the gradual centralization of government power, whereas the northern industrialists and bankers opposed the original form of the constitutional structure of the nation that relied heavily on local autonomy through States' Rights. The founders -- a good number of them Virginian farmers and livestock producers -- established a limited-powers federal government concerned only with defense, a monetary system, foreign relations, and loosely regulated commerce. The South was fighting to preserve that system. With the North's victory, the system of government actually changed, and the morass of foolishness, overregulation, and social welfare we have today is the result. (See The Confederacy)
Cultural differences and Christian values were another core issue between the North and the South. The North had, in just the 80 or so years after the Revolution, become largely secular humanist in makeup while the South was strongly and staunchly Christian. Historians have attributed this to the differences in national origin for the two populations. The South was largely of Briton, Irish, and Scottish decent whereas the North was mostly Danish and Anglo-Saxon. The two lineages had been at war for 1,000 years in Europe. (See Religion in the Civil War: A Southern Perspective)
Slavery was only an indirect cause of the war. In fact, there were five times as many abolition societies in the South as ever existed in the north, and the educated Southerner was in favor of gradual emancipation of the slaves. The use of slaves was dying out, as I stated in another post, because of the huge success of the industrialized South -- which frightened the northern industrialists because the South could do it cheaper and better than they could. Thus they created a pseudo-moral campaign against slavery when the reality was the continuation of slavery actually benefited the North, as it was slowing down and holding back the industrialization of the region. But they didn't want just to slow down the South's industrialization. They wanted to destroy it, and the competition that it represented.
A quick search on Wal-Mart's site show they are still selling offensive products:
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flag rainbow - Walmart.com
