Abortion

[Elizabeth619]

Well ill have to say a woman in crisis doesnt see the pregnancy or baby, she sees the problem. Honestly once they are in front of me the pregnancy isnt the issue. You love them where they are, even those who dont know Christ. Present the gospel, give them facts, and guide through

Not all women see it as a problem. I got pregnant at 20. I wasn't in rape, but for a young Christian girl finding out ALL 8 PREGNANCY TESTS are positive I would say I was a woman in crisis. Never once did abortion enter my mind.

My sister was a rape victim and got pregnant when she was 23. She never saw that baby as a problem. She was scared, but she had wonderful support just like I did. That product of rape now is 13 and a beautiful Christian young lady.

 

[Rosesrock]

Not always that simple. I wrestled out the abortion question in my mind for those three weeks between being raped and finally getting my period. (The only period I ever cried for joy in getting. lol)

During those three weeks, I decided it wasn't the baby's fault Dad is a creep, so why should the baby be punished? I also feared I'd unconsciously punish the baby for who Dad was (and there were five of them, so I would never know which was Dad), so I thought it would only be fair to Baby if someone else raised her.

Having sex while married, isn't always the only way creating life happens. We are all sinful, thus we sin.

Thank you for sharing that. Not easy at all. I will not even guess how you battled those days

 

[Rosesrock]

Not all women see it as a problem. I got pregnant at 20. I wasn't in rape, but for a young Christian girl finding out ALL 8 PREGNANCY TESTS are positive I would say I was a woman in crisis. Never once did abortion enter my mind.

My sister was a rape victim and got pregnant when she was 23. She never saw that baby as a problem. She was scared, but she had wonderful support just like I did. That product of rape now is 13 and a beautiful Christian young lady.

I didnt say all. I was refering to those i counsel. Plus i didnt see mine as a problem either. I was 18

 

[Rosesrock]

Friends of mine had a sister who found out she had cancer when she was 5 months pregnant. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. (She opted to postpone treatment until the baby was born, but would you really deny her the right to get treated, simply because it cracks you up?)

It is also more rare than the other two excuses abortion advocates gave -- rape and incest. I'd be fine with setting a law to allow abortions for all three reasons, if we stopped abortions for all other reasons. That would save 98% of babies' lives -- at least back in 1972 when those statistics were given. Who knows how few are those three situations now? Although, I got a call from a pro-life organization who says the statistics for abortions in the US are only 3000 a day. I got excited. Back in the 80's it was 4000 a day, so apparently less now than then.

What i was saying is there are few if any cases that the abortion would cure the illness, thats the arguement. Ive known many cancer patients who have chosen, to wait. I wouldnt deny anyine of anything. Dont mistake my laughing at a situation or woman in crisis. My laughter is toward the arguement as a whole.
A life is a life. There are facts and stats and too many what ifs to make a permenant decision

 

[Elizabeth619]

I didnt say all. I was refering to those i counsel. Plus i didnt see mine as a problem either. I was 18

Sorry, I went into defensive mode for some foolish reason. I have been like that all week. Don't know why.

 

[Rosesrock]

Sorry, I went into defensive mode for some foolish reason. I have been like that all week. Don't know why.

No apology needed. This topic is hot and close to many.
It's all good

 

[jsr1221]

I see your point and I sympathise but I really don't see how the man can have rule over the woman's body - they may not even be together anymore.

The more I look at the complications and the implications of going against God's will, the more I see His wisdom in the rules He sets out for us and the more I realise we must follow those rules to the letter if we are to have an uncomplicated life. If we abstain from having sex before marriage a baby conceived in the union wouldn't be as likely to be "inconvenient" or unwanted or even so much of a "surprise". It's simple, if you don't want a baby don't make one.

I agree with this. With the having rule over the body, I don't think it's right to say the woman can kill a baby if she wants to (I know that's not what you're saying. I'm just meaning in general). If that's what she wants to do with her body, then she has a right to do it by that stance. It's no different than saying it's Bruce Jenner's body, and he can do whatever he wants. I think there's gotta be some line drawn. I'm not saying the two are the same. One is one of the most beautiful forms of life at the same time one of the most painful, and the other is a mental disorder. Two completely different things. Yet that same it's a person's body stance can be applied for both situations. That's the part of free will God gave us, no matter how wrong it may be.

 

[Utah]

perhaps the man should be castrated at the same time.

Reading that statement cost me two seconds of my life I'll never get back.

 

[dcontroversal]

No matter how you slice and dice (no pun intended) the child is innocent...regardless of how conception takes place....God has a lot to say about--->and very severe judgments against---> those who murder the innocent......

 

[Angela53510]

What i was saying is there are few if any cases that the abortion would cure the illness, thats the arguement. Ive known many cancer patients who have chosen, to wait. I wouldnt deny anyine of anything. Dont mistake my laughing at a situation or woman in crisis. My laughter is toward the arguement as a whole.
A life is a life. There are facts and stats and too many what ifs to make a permenant decision

I thought someone might bring up this thought, that abortion never needs to be done. I know I was quite convinced that ectopic pregnancies were rare. That is when the baby implants in the Fallopian tubes which are not designed to have the baby grow to maturity.

My DIL is an ob-gyn. I asked her how often she sees ectopic pregnancies in her practice. She said ONCE A WEEK! I was shocked to death. Because surgery is needed and sadly, those babies have to die, or the mother will die. Or those babies will die, it is a matter of deciding whether the mother should die too! She also said there are other conditions which require abortion or the mother will die.

I am against any sort of abortion for convenience, even in the case of rape. But if the baby is going to die anyway, I guess it is only sensible to do the surgery. I also understand that some of these ectopic pregnancies are a result of scarring in the tubes from veneral diseases. That makes it even sadder, if that is the case.

 

[JesusIsAll]

No matter how you slice and dice (no pun intended) the child is innocent...regardless of how conception takes place....God has a lot to say about--->and very severe judgments against---> those who murder the innocent......

Though I do wish you'd added that God is rich in mercy, to those who've sometimes had much trouble, women who need healing; that sin is sin, none of us immune, that the Lord's hand is outstretched to the poor in spirit who need Him most, to love and forgive all who come to Him in repentance.

 

[Rosesrock]

I thought someone might bring up this thought, that abortion never needs to be done. I know I was quite convinced that ectopic pregnancies were rare. That is when the baby implants in the Fallopian tubes which are not designed to have the baby grow to maturity.

My DIL is an ob-gyn. I asked her how often she sees ectopic pregnancies in her practice. She said ONCE A WEEK! I was shocked to death. Because surgery is needed and sadly, those babies have to die, or the mother will die. Or those babies will die, it is a matter of deciding whether the mother should die too! She also said there are other conditions which require abortion or the mother will die.

I am against any sort of abortion for convenience, even in the case of rape. But if the baby is going to die anyway, I guess it is only sensible to do the surgery. I also understand that some of these ectopic pregnancies are a result of scarring in the tubes from veneral diseases. That makes it even sadder, if that is the case.

Ectoptic pregnancies arent viable pregnanies, of course surgery needs to happen for this. No one would want the tube to rupture, and mom to die. Thats a no brainer. And i disagree, if the baby is 'going to die anyway' then in most cases (not ectopic) the body will absorb before a D&c needs to happen. Also if a family chooses to go ahead with a termination process due to a fatal diagnosis, these proceedures are still those of the same as used in an abortion. These issues are touchy and very personal and only decisions that a couple can make.

My beliefs.......buttom line. God creates life, God is masterful at the situations he allows families to experience for whatever reason, just like death or sickness. God is faithful and good

 

[atwhatcost]

Reading that statement cost me two seconds of my life I'll never get back.

Hm. I kind of pictured most the men reading that one getting an uncontrollable muscle spasm that forced them to close their legs and cover up. lol

 

[crossnote]

I'm not sure how to get society to abstain. Just look at television programming and commercials using sex and reinforcing unmarital sex along with the music industry. I do know murder is not the solution

It would take a miracle of God through the Gospel to turn hearts, just as happened with Jonah...

Jonah began to go into the city, going a day's journey. And he called out, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!" And the people of Nineveh believed God. They called for a fast and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them to the least of them. The word reached the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, removed his robe, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he issued a proclamation and published through Nineveh, "By the decree of the king and his nobles: Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything. Let them not feed or drink water, but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and let them call out mightily to God. Let everyone turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands. Who knows? God may turn and relent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we may not perish." When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.
(Jon 3:4-10)

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Not always that simple. I wrestled out the abortion question in my mind for those three weeks between being raped and finally getting my period. (The only period I ever cried for joy in getting. lol)

During those three weeks, I decided it wasn't the baby's fault Dad is a creep, so why should the baby be punished? I also feared I'd unconsciously punish the baby for who Dad was (and there were five of them, so I would never know which was Dad), so I thought it would only be fair to Baby if someone else raised her.

Having sex while married, isn't always the only way creating life happens. We are all sinful, thus we sin.

Oh my....I can't even begin....

I was aware of that angle but by a huge margin most abortions are for "convenience" reasons. A U-turn on this would probably save around 90% of lives.

 

[sassylady]

Never. If I found out anything was wrong with my unborn child or something was going to happen to me if I went through the pregnancy/birth, I would trust God. If I was raped, it's not that baby's fault.

 

[RickyZ]

I may actually get shot for saying this being as Wesley's father is being forced by the state to pay child support, but since a woman cannot be forced to give birth and has a right to an abortion then why is the father forced to pay child support? If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want the baby she can kill it. If the father doesn't want the baby they are sued by the government. Is that not hypocritical?

Hi Liz! Great to see you again!

I remember one court case in which a suspected father was forced to pay child support. When a DNA test showed he was not the father, he was none the less ordered to continue paying support! Seems the court would rather force an innocent party to pay than to yank support out from under a child.

Hey look I found an update on that (or a similar) case:

DNA proves man isn't girl's father but he must pay support anyway | Daily Mail Online

 

[RickyZ]

Another case:

Judge Orders Detroit Man to Pay $30,000 in Back Child Support for Child Who Isn't His - The Root

And another:

‘Impossible father’ paying child support for son that can’t be his | myfox8.com

 

[Rosesrock]

I may actually get shot for saying this being as Wesley's father is being forced by the state to pay child support, but since a woman cannot be forced to give birth and has a right to an abortion then why is the father forced to pay child support? If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want the baby she can kill it. If the father doesn't want the baby they are sued by the government. Is that not hypocritical?

Yes we live with a broken system. Bottom line is if ypu're not willing to be a parent or at least help with that process, obstain from all acts that cause a baby to happen....oh wait that's one.

 

[jsr1221]

I may actually get shot for saying this being as Wesley's father is being forced by the state to pay child support, but since a woman cannot be forced to give birth and has a right to an abortion then why is the father forced to pay child support? If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want the baby she can kill it. If the father doesn't want the baby they are sued by the government. Is that not hypocritical?

I asked almost the same exactly thing.