The ignore the person who said he was gonna ignore people who didn't post....

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VioletReigns

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Forgive me, but I honestly feel that the Lord would have me to add something to that which I just said and I'll begin with a verse of scripture that somebody else mentioned on another thread the other day:

Proverbs chapter 27 verse 6

Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.


Be careful of the kisses of those who only agree with you because they harbor hatred towards others in their own hearts. I honestly believe that some of those who are happy with your decision are only happy because they despise Jason themselves. May the Lord Himself either confirm or refute what I've suggested to you.

"The lady (or man) doth protest too much, methinks." :p

*sigh* This is sounding more and more like the account of Job where his friends Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar blathered on and on justifying their false accusations against him. Beware, your accusations against Sirk may sound like godly wisdom, but mixing scripture with personal opinions is not truth. Job's friends brought about God's rebuke of them and Job wound up praying for them that the Lord would have mercy on them.

Did not Sirk admit he was exasperated? Did he not say he went to the Lord about it and did he not say that he is learning to be patient and wait on the Lord? Why are you still blathering with accusations about hatred and despising Jason? Why are you not rejoicing and giving God the glory that even in this adversity the Holy Spirit is able to teach us and make us more into the image of Christ Jesus?
 
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What I don't understand is where all this unity is going to come from. I point this out again and again, and correct me if I'm wrong: ChristianChat is not a church congregation. There are users that are tares, but with a pulpit, there are cults, there are unbelievers, there are trolls, who don't deeply believe much of anything, except a narcissistic doctrine of pushing your buttons to get attention. They push the same buttons, 500 times, and you respond the same, 500 times. You're being had by trolls, in some cases.

Then you have the combination Lone Rangers and trolls, who are claiming the only true Spirit interpretations, who are sitting alone with their Bibles, one must suppose listening to the voices in their heads and arriving at doctrines that disagree with about the entire roll call of Spirit-filled scholars and churches down the ages. They're, as if, raised in the woods by wolves, coming to civilization to tell everybody how wrong they are about civilization, that evil people are teaching you to use forks or something, even if, just by way of example, there were a dozen verses where the Lord and all the apostles proclaimed the use of forks. But I think most of them are trolls, for the repetitious agenda of pushing buttons and the narcissism that everything is, really, about them: this is the troll's modus operandi.

I'd agree unity is ignore, the point is you can't expect unity from somebody whose even basic theology is false, in a Bible discussion forum. You present truth, they reject it, that's about all she wrote, which is what you see. I try to avoid a lot of conversations, as defending truth against ignorance isn't my idea of Bible discussion. If there's no agreement on what the truth is, what is there to discuss: what unity is there? This is about faith, not your favorite sports team. There aren't 33 Baskin Robbins truth flavors. There is only unity in the truth.

That's my opinion, anyway, take it or leave, except to add that Sirk is alright by me, found a great video by Adrian Rogers he posted, which I then also stole to use: so, I'm a sinner, too. And much more comfortable with this confession, than Pharisaical self righteousness. Then we have Matthew 23. I suppose those of you who think it's Christ-like to sing kumbaya with false prophets would have to agree we're not to be of the image of Christ of Matthew 23? Then we'd have to move on to throwing out the rebuke of the apostles... My, my how there's so much pesky scripture to keep track of, before we declare ourselves perfect little gods, is there not?
 
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What I don't understand is where all this unity is going to come from. I point this out again and again, and correct me if I'm wrong: ChristianChat is not a church congregation. There are users that are tares, but with a pulpit, there are cults, there are unbelievers, there are trolls, who don't deeply believe much of anything, except a narcissistic doctrine of pushing your buttons to get attention. They push the same buttons, 500 times, and you respond the same, 500 times. You're being had by trolls, in some cases.

Then you have the combination Lone Rangers and trolls, who are claiming the only true Spirit interpretations, who are sitting alone with their Bibles, one must suppose listening to the voices in their heads and arriving at doctrines that disagree with about the entire roll call of Spirit-filled scholars and churches down the ages. They're, as if, raised in the woods by wolves, coming to civilization to tell everybody how wrong they are about civilization, that evil people are teaching you to use forks or something, even if, just by way of example, there were a dozen verses where the Lord and all the apostles proclaimed the use of forks. But I think most of them are trolls, for the repetitious agenda of pushing buttons and the narcissism that everything is, really, about them: this is the troll's modus operandi.

I'd agree unity is ignore, the point is you can't expect unity from somebody whose even basic theology is false, in a Bible discussion forum. You present truth, they reject it, that's about all she wrote, which is what you see. I try to avoid a lot of conversations, as defending truth against ignorance isn't my idea of Bible discussion. If there's no agreement on what the truth is, what is there to discuss: what unity is there? This is about faith, not your favorite sports team. There aren't 33 Baskin Robbins truth flavors. There is only unity in the truth.

That's my opinion, anyway, take it or leave, except to add that Sirk is alright by me, found a great video by Adrian Rogers he posted, which I then also stole to use: so, I'm a sinner, too. And much more comfortable with this confession, than Pharisaical self righteousness. Then we have Matthew 23. I suppose those of you who think it's Christ-like to sing kumbaya with false prophets would have to agree we're not to be of the image of Christ of Matthew 23? Then we'd have to move on to throwing out the rebuke of the apostles... My, my how there's so much pesky scripture to keep track of, before we declare ourselves perfect little gods, is there not?

+1000. "UNITY IS IGNORE". Ignore the people who are unable to disagree agreeably and without humility.
 
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Rosesrock

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I apologize Sirk, you have every right to post what you want.
 
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purgedconscience

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I apologize Sirk, you have every right to post what you want.
In man's or God's sight? I trust that Sirk knows that I'm not singling him out. Instead, I'm trying to make a generic point. Jesus only spoke what He heard His Father speak. Isn't He to be our example? Christians ought to abandon their rights when they come to Christ or else I doubt that they're even Christians. Again, that wasn't aimed specifically at Sirk in any manner whatsoever. It was a general statement which I believe applies to each and every one of us in God's sight. I said us. That includes me. Quite frankly, I haven't seen any evidence which would even cause me to consider that some members here give a hoot what God thinks. It's all about them. Turn that back on me, any one of you, if you'd like to. Again, I'm talking to everybody and not just to you, Roserock.

Ephesians chapter 4 verses 29 thru 32

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
 
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Rosesrock

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In man's or God's sight? I trust that Sirk knows that I'm not singling him out. Instead, I'm trying to make a generic point. Jesus only spoke what He heard His Father speak. Isn't He to be our example? Christians ought to abandon their rights when they come to Christ or else I doubt that they're even Christians. Again, that wasn't aimed specifically at Sirk in any manner whatsoever. It was a general statement which I believe applies to each and every one of us in God's sight. I said us. That includes me. Quite frankly, I haven't seen any evidence which would even cause me to consider that some members here give a hoot what God thinks. It's all about them. Turn that back on me, any one of you, if you'd like to. Again, I'm talking to everybody and not just to you, Roserock.

Ephesians chapter 4 verses 29 thru 32

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
All i was getting at is we're only responsible for ourselves and i shouldnt have commented on him making the thread at all. Thus my sorries
 
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Sirk

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All i was getting at is we're only responsible for ourselves and i shouldnt have commented on him making the thread at all. Thus my sorries
I think it is perfectly fine and in line with scripture to seek information as to a persons motives. The key is not determining what they are without more information and before a person has a chance to explain them.
 
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Rosesrock

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I think it is perfectly fine and in line with scripture to seek information as to a persons motives. The key is not determining what they are without more information and before a person has a chance to explain them.
I dont think i did, but anyway.
 
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VioletReigns

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In man's or God's sight? I trust that Sirk knows that I'm not singling him out. Instead, I'm trying to make a generic point. Jesus only spoke what He heard His Father speak. Isn't He to be our example? Christians ought to abandon their rights when they come to Christ or else I doubt that they're even Christians. Again, that wasn't aimed specifically at Sirk in any manner whatsoever. It was a general statement which I believe applies to each and every one of us in God's sight. I said us. That includes me. Quite frankly, I haven't seen any evidence which would even cause me to consider that some members here give a hoot what God thinks. It's all about them. Turn that back on me, any one of you, if you'd like to. Again, I'm talking to everybody and not just to you, Roserock.

Ephesians chapter 4 verses 29 thru 32

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

PC, you have posted at least 23 comments on this one thread. You have gone back & forth between supporting Sirk's op and then criticizing those who are supporting him. Make sense!!! Seriously, do YOU know where you stand? That's a rhetorical question ~ no need to answer.
 
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Gr8grace

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I think it is perfectly fine and in line with scripture to seek information as to a persons motives. The key is not determining what they are without more information and before a person has a chance to explain them.
This is the key IMO. We react and comment. When we should stop, think, make sure we are in the Spirit and RESPOND to posts and people.

We read into motives and react. While we should respond and give the benefit of the doubt to all.

And this is where I think you have invisible rewards Sirk. The persecution is not the reward. It is how we handle the persecution. It doesn't matter if we are right or wrong, It matters how we handle it. and IMO you have handled it in a way that gives you rewards.
 
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Rosesrock

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This is the key IMO. We react and comment. When we should stop, think, make sure we are in the Spirit and RESPOND to posts and people.

We read into motives and react. While we should respond and give the benefit of the doubt to all.

And this is where I think you have invisible rewards Sirk. The persecution is not the reward. It is how we handle the persecution. It doesn't matter if we are right or wrong, It matters how we handle it. and IMO you have handled it in a way that gives you rewards.
Oh please dont mistake my apology for a change in opinion. And what my point is my opinion doesnt not matter. Lol
Just as my opinion on how anyone conducts themselves here is notmy business. Like i said, im only responsible for me. And it was my mistake to have a say either way.
 
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I seen the thread title and I am responding so as to set the record straight against any future potential false misunderstanding and slander. If anyone were to bother to read what I had written in the thread I created, I had helped to clairify what I meant by the title of the thread.

#1. I agreed with speaking with people who would insult as long as they used some kind of Bible verse. In these cases, I would sometimes ignore their bad behavior and I would reply to the verses that they posted.

#2. I would ignore a post if all that was in it was pure slander.

#3. I would ignore a post if a person does not quote Scripture whatseover and they talk about a belief that is pure opinion for a significant amount of time.​

This does not mean I cannot reply to posts that are not insulting and are just written as a form of communication to one another. I never said that I could not do that. The above three numbers should hopefully clarify where I am coming from on this point. In other words, I am not going to read people's slanderous posts and or if they blather on about some idea that sounds like it was cooked up only in their head instead of the Bible (Whereby no verses are even given). If folks want it to twist what I have said and make me look bad, then they are just being slanderous and wrong (and not in God's will).
 
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I dont think i did, but anyway.
Honestly when you first said that you were disappointed...I was disappointed that I disappointed you. But I determined that I was not going to allow myself to react out of the pain that I felt of feeling rejected. Not just from you but others that I respect as well. :) I knew in my heart that there was opportunity for growth in me and I took it. I surrendered to it.
 
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I think anytime someone has the mindset that they are being persecuted when people disagree with them causes discord and it's a hateful immature thing to do.....AND it insidiously violates the 9th commandment.
Well, we're getting somewhere. (BTW, with my background being Catholic, I really have trouble remembering the numbers for the commandments, since I grew up ignoring the second, and then the tenth was split in two to make the math right. So I'm busy thinking, "That's not coveting, what is that again?" I had to look it up. "False witness" for anyone else who didn't memorize them or can't keep them straight too. lol)

So, you're a dad and I used to be a kid. (Well, I'm still Dad's kid, but you know what I mean. lol) I'm hoping I can try and figure it out from something we both have experience with but from different angles. When Mom used to punish me for stuff I didn't think was my fault, (a friend asked to see my glasses, so I let her, and she wanted to now how weak the bridge was so broke it before I could react. Somehow that was my fault), as I was sent up to my room, I'd scream all the way up the steps, "I hate you, I hate you, I hate you."

Yes, obviously very childish. And, when I became a teen I did talk to Mom about that incident, and she did say it hurt her, even though she knew it wasn't true. (Also settled out the part on whose fault it was, so glad we resolved that before she died), but was that discord? It seems like a childish thing to do, but that's what kids do. I don't think it destroyed the family, it didn't make me feel damaged, (might have been the first time I realized moms could be wrong, but it was going to happen right about that time anyway lol), and didn't hurt our relationship.

In my mind, Jason isn't part of the family yet, I don't see anyone being damaged by his lies other then himself and the back-patters, but even there, that's on them and we can't stop it, I already learned humans are wrong, and there was no relationship there (apparently) to hurt. So, where is there discord?

Not like anyone but the small group of back-patters believes it. (And, I know they don't even believe it.)
 
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Rosesrock

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Honestly when you first said that you were disappointed...I was disappointed that I disappointed you. But I determined that I was not going to allow myself to react out of the pain that I felt of feeling rejected. Not just from you but others that I respect as well. :) I knew in my heart that there was opportunity for growth in me and I took it. I surrendered to it.
Again, not my place.
 
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atwhatcost

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Forgive me, but I honestly feel that the Lord would have me to add something to that which I just said and I'll begin with a verse of scripture that somebody else mentioned on another thread the other day:

Proverbs chapter 27 verse 6

Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.


Be careful of the kisses of those who only agree with you because they harbor hatred towards others in their own hearts. I honestly believe that some of those who are happy with your decision are only happy because they despise Jason themselves. May the Lord Himself either confirm or refute what I've suggested to you.
What's that sign your expecting from the Lord to confirm or refute? And, can you let us know how that works out? I'd love to hear about a modern day wet fleece story.
 
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Sirk

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I dont think i did, but anyway.
I don't think you did either. Your intentions were good.....weren't they? Of course they were .....because you are a person who endeavors to live your life as "Jesus with skin on".
 
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you can't expect unity from somebody whose even basic theology is false . . .
That's my opinion, anyway, take it or leave, except to add that Sirk is alright by me
I love everything you shared in post 202, especially what's written above.
 
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