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I felt it with a belt! I just thought it was stupidity on my part.
If one really stops and thinks about for a bit, it really is sad that we know more about sin now that we are Christians. Everyone basically agrees about sin and there is no dispute or argument about sin, but we question and argue about the Son.
If one really stops and thinks about for a bit, it really is sad that we know more about sin now that we are Christians. Everyone basically agrees about sin and there is no dispute or argument about sin, but we question and argue about the Son.
J
Only Extra Strength Excedrin will help in this case. 
so can you pray for a sign? like i said about my son and baseball?
numerology is the same as astrology right?
I believe that the signs in question are:
1) Navigation aids.
2) Lunar eclipses, on the feast days of Lev 23, mark significant events in the history of Israel as a nation.
3) Solar eclipses, on the feast days of Lev 23, mark times of Judgement against those nations which oppose Israel.
There may be others that I am unfamiliar with.
1) Navigation aids.
2) Lunar eclipses, on the feast days of Lev 23, mark significant events in the history of Israel as a nation.
3) Solar eclipses, on the feast days of Lev 23, mark times of Judgement against those nations which oppose Israel.
There may be others that I am unfamiliar with.
P
I'd like to make a general comment about signs. Signs should serve the purpose of pointing us in a certain direction and they should never be the destination itself. For example, when I'm driving, I'll regularly read signs which help lead me to my destination, but I never just stop my car and camp at the sign. Similarly, when I'm in a store or a mall and I have to go , I'll look for a sign to the nearest restroom, but I don't just stay by the sign or else somebody's going to need to fetch a mop and bucket right quick and I'm going to need a change of clothes. A bit graphic, but you get my point. When Jesus gave a sign which pointed to His Messiahship by multiplying the loaves and fishes, a lot of people camped at the sign and put their focus upon the natural bread while missing the true bread Who came down from heaven:
John chapter 6 verses 26 and 27
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Some people here have mentioned the gospel in the stars or how the signs of the zodiac may point to Christ. That's possible in that The heavens declare the glory of God, Psalm 19 verse 1, but we're strictly forbidden from worshipping the host of heaven all throughout scripture. Again, a sign may point us to Christ, but we're never to fix our gazes upon the signs themselves. Like I said, just a general observation.
, I'll look for a sign to the nearest restroom, but I don't just stay by the sign or else somebody's going to need to fetch a mop and bucket right quick and I'm going to need a change of clothes. A bit graphic, but you get my point. When Jesus gave a sign which pointed to His Messiahship by multiplying the loaves and fishes, a lot of people camped at the sign and put their focus upon the natural bread while missing the true bread Who came down from heaven:John chapter 6 verses 26 and 27
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Some people here have mentioned the gospel in the stars or how the signs of the zodiac may point to Christ. That's possible in that The heavens declare the glory of God, Psalm 19 verse 1, but we're strictly forbidden from worshipping the host of heaven all throughout scripture. Again, a sign may point us to Christ, but we're never to fix our gazes upon the signs themselves. Like I said, just a general observation.
the most likely meaning of signs lies in the fact that the moon was the sign which determined moon periods. They would watch the moon and its changes in order to determine what part of the moon period they were in. I see this as basic because 'signs and seasons, days and years' would then signify all the signs which determined time for the ancients. (The later Sabbath was unique and required no signs). The ancients lived by moon periods, by agricultural seasons which would require the alteration of the number of moon periods in a year, by periods of light (days) and by years which would be determined by the seasons combined with moon periods. However I would not exclude the fact that they would see eclipses and other phenomena as significant.
J
i agree with you, praying would be the best solution. and trying to incorporate signs into the way i serve the Lord may not be the best idea but that would only be because i am completely ignorant of how they fully work and they are not part of my culture. i think we have proven here they are not evil.
J
I'd like to make a general comment about signs. Signs should serve the purpose of pointing us in a certain direction and they should never be the destination itself. For example, when I'm driving, I'll regularly read signs which help lead me to my destination, but I never just stop my car and camp at the sign. Similarly, when I'm in a store or a mall and I have to go , I'll look for a sign to the nearest restroom, but I don't just stay by the sign or else somebody's going to need to fetch a mop and bucket right quick and I'm going to need a change of clothes. A bit graphic, but you get my point. When Jesus gave a sign which pointed to His Messiahship by multiplying the loaves and fishes, a lot of people camped at the sign and put their focus upon the natural bread while missing the true bread Who came down from heaven:
John chapter 6 verses 26 and 27
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Some people here have mentioned the gospel in the stars or how the signs of the zodiac may point to Christ. That's possible in that The heavens declare the glory of God, Psalm 19 verse 1, but we're strictly forbidden from worshipping the host of heaven all throughout scripture. Again, a sign may point us to Christ, but we're never to fix our gazes upon the signs themselves. Like I said, just a general observation.
, I'll look for a sign to the nearest restroom, but I don't just stay by the sign or else somebody's going to need to fetch a mop and bucket right quick and I'm going to need a change of clothes. A bit graphic, but you get my point. When Jesus gave a sign which pointed to His Messiahship by multiplying the loaves and fishes, a lot of people camped at the sign and put their focus upon the natural bread while missing the true bread Who came down from heaven:John chapter 6 verses 26 and 27
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Some people here have mentioned the gospel in the stars or how the signs of the zodiac may point to Christ. That's possible in that The heavens declare the glory of God, Psalm 19 verse 1, but we're strictly forbidden from worshipping the host of heaven all throughout scripture. Again, a sign may point us to Christ, but we're never to fix our gazes upon the signs themselves. Like I said, just a general observation.
I wonder if we have lost anything in all the years since we have used our roman calender and not the solar calender the Jews and early Christians used?
H
It seems you are confusing astronomy with astrology...
Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
Those "wise men", the Magi of the east (Matthew 2:1), were well know historically to have great knowledge of astronomy, they also knew of the prophecy(Matthew 2:5)...when the star appeared they knew what it represented because of the prophecy(Matthew 2:2)
Have no idea if this helps your understanding or not... but keep seeking the answers... God Bless
J
may our Lord bless you as well! i understand the difference but the point where the 2 sciences meet and create that grey area is where i get confused. such as:
the concept of great forces in the cosmos pulling in different directions creating motion was considered astrology at one time now its astronomy (newtons law).
every planet has an energy field, when the planets all line up it changes the energy field on our planet (think of a tidal wave going across the ocean, more energy, bigger wave) the change in energy has affects on everything on our planet. this also was thought to be astrology but now is thought of astronomy/astro physics.
most scientific experts study all of this from a physical/scientific perspective. i see it from a scientific/spiritual perspective. they know the force in the cosmos is gravity but where does the action creating the motion come from? this is where they hit the wall and stop as i can keep going as i know that force is our heavenly Father. i want to know more but at this point i am back in the grey area. i want to be close to my Father but i also dont want to get involved in forbidden info or at least stumble onto knowledge that i am not spiritually prepared for.
hope that made sense and i hope i didnt give crossnote another migraine!
the concept of great forces in the cosmos pulling in different directions creating motion was considered astrology at one time now its astronomy (newtons law).
every planet has an energy field, when the planets all line up it changes the energy field on our planet (think of a tidal wave going across the ocean, more energy, bigger wave) the change in energy has affects on everything on our planet. this also was thought to be astrology but now is thought of astronomy/astro physics.
most scientific experts study all of this from a physical/scientific perspective. i see it from a scientific/spiritual perspective. they know the force in the cosmos is gravity but where does the action creating the motion come from? this is where they hit the wall and stop as i can keep going as i know that force is our heavenly Father. i want to know more but at this point i am back in the grey area. i want to be close to my Father but i also dont want to get involved in forbidden info or at least stumble onto knowledge that i am not spiritually prepared for.
hope that made sense and i hope i didnt give crossnote another migraine!
