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Hello tribesman, thank you for your response; an excellent point.
"For as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive."
This is exactly as you say in accordance with those who receive a raising up as a new creation as immortal spirit creatures to rule with Christ during the thousand year reign; over which the second death has no authority. (Revelation 20:6)
I would however, like to bring to your attention that while this in particular refers to the anointed 'little flock' of anointed-ones; there is also the promise for the rest of the human race right back as far as Adam whereby the Apostle Paul states: "...there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts24:15) No exceptions.
The point is that you and I and millions who have lived since Adam, are not ;art of the anointed. In fact, at the moment; we are all still dead in God's eyes!
This is proved in the words of Jesus when replying to one of his potentially anointed who wanted to bury his aged Father before following Jesus, Jesus replied: "Let the dead carry on burying the dead, you follow me." (Matthew 8:22)
You see, all mankind has been dead in God's eyes ever since Adam and Eve transgressed in the Garden of Eden.
Now if only the anointed are to receive salvation in the heavens, then who are those spoken of in the following verses?
"But the meek ones will possess the earth. (Psalm 37:11)
"The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:29)
The Atonement which Jesus acquired through his sacrificial death was a corresponding ransom for all!
This ransom was foreshadowed by the episode in Egypt when the angel of death passed over the Israelite nation after the sacrificing of a lamb and its blood being smeared on every door post of each Jewish family; enabling the angel of death to pass over.
Later, the greater fulfilment of this occurred when the Lamb of God [Christ] offered himself up for sacrifice and his blood staining the post of execution allowed the angel of Adamic death to pass over all mankind (1 Corinthians 5:7) and redeeming us all from that status; opened the 'Way' to the assured hope of a resurrection for both the heavenly little flock and rest of earthly mankind. The scriptural authoritative confirmation:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
It will only be after the thousand year reign of the Christ, when all is complete; that those who have proved themselves worthy will then come to life in God's eyes.
"The rest of the dead [mankind] did not come to life until the thousand years were ended." (Revelation 20:5) NMTCS
Something to ponder over.
Alexander
"For as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive."
This is exactly as you say in accordance with those who receive a raising up as a new creation as immortal spirit creatures to rule with Christ during the thousand year reign; over which the second death has no authority. (Revelation 20:6)
I would however, like to bring to your attention that while this in particular refers to the anointed 'little flock' of anointed-ones; there is also the promise for the rest of the human race right back as far as Adam whereby the Apostle Paul states: "...there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts24:15) No exceptions.
The point is that you and I and millions who have lived since Adam, are not ;art of the anointed. In fact, at the moment; we are all still dead in God's eyes!
This is proved in the words of Jesus when replying to one of his potentially anointed who wanted to bury his aged Father before following Jesus, Jesus replied: "Let the dead carry on burying the dead, you follow me." (Matthew 8:22)
You see, all mankind has been dead in God's eyes ever since Adam and Eve transgressed in the Garden of Eden.
Now if only the anointed are to receive salvation in the heavens, then who are those spoken of in the following verses?
"But the meek ones will possess the earth. (Psalm 37:11)
"The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:29)
The Atonement which Jesus acquired through his sacrificial death was a corresponding ransom for all!
This ransom was foreshadowed by the episode in Egypt when the angel of death passed over the Israelite nation after the sacrificing of a lamb and its blood being smeared on every door post of each Jewish family; enabling the angel of death to pass over.
Later, the greater fulfilment of this occurred when the Lamb of God [Christ] offered himself up for sacrifice and his blood staining the post of execution allowed the angel of Adamic death to pass over all mankind (1 Corinthians 5:7) and redeeming us all from that status; opened the 'Way' to the assured hope of a resurrection for both the heavenly little flock and rest of earthly mankind. The scriptural authoritative confirmation:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
It will only be after the thousand year reign of the Christ, when all is complete; that those who have proved themselves worthy will then come to life in God's eyes.
"The rest of the dead [mankind] did not come to life until the thousand years were ended." (Revelation 20:5) NMTCS
Something to ponder over.
Alexander
Thank you for your question my friend.
The Ransom is the foundational teaching on which the Bible exists. The fundamental teaching of the ‘ransom’ is that Jesus died for all! Including Adam! Thereby offering a ‘second chance’ for all!
This is the Gospel or 'Good News' for all mankind; a second chance to acquire that which was offered in Eden before the transgression of Adam and Eve.
Alexander
The Ransom is the foundational teaching on which the Bible exists. The fundamental teaching of the ‘ransom’ is that Jesus died for all! Including Adam! Thereby offering a ‘second chance’ for all!
This is the Gospel or 'Good News' for all mankind; a second chance to acquire that which was offered in Eden before the transgression of Adam and Eve.
Alexander
In this instance, we must be very careful as to whom Jesus and Nicodemus are referring to.
Jesus was saying that unless a man is born again; he cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven.
So Nicodemus naturally asked how could a man be born again?
Well, later when we examine the words of the Apostle Paul who was one of these, we are gratefully enlightened.
To be born again one must die and be recreated as an immortal spirit creature to inherit the kingdom of heaven and rule with Christ for a thousand years. (1 Corinthians 15:49-54; 2 Corinthians2 Corinthians 5:17)
So the only ones who are ever born again are those of the heavenly little flock (Luke 12:32; Revelation 14:1)
All the rest of mankind from Adam onwards, will if approved at the end of the thousand year reign of the Christ; receive everlasting life on earth as perfect humans under global paradisaical conditions. (Psalm 37:11, 29)
Alexander
Jesus was saying that unless a man is born again; he cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven.
So Nicodemus naturally asked how could a man be born again?
Well, later when we examine the words of the Apostle Paul who was one of these, we are gratefully enlightened.
To be born again one must die and be recreated as an immortal spirit creature to inherit the kingdom of heaven and rule with Christ for a thousand years. (1 Corinthians 15:49-54; 2 Corinthians2 Corinthians 5:17)
So the only ones who are ever born again are those of the heavenly little flock (Luke 12:32; Revelation 14:1)
All the rest of mankind from Adam onwards, will if approved at the end of the thousand year reign of the Christ; receive everlasting life on earth as perfect humans under global paradisaical conditions. (Psalm 37:11, 29)
Alexander
OK! Alexander Show me chapter and verse where Jesus preached "The fundamental teaching of the ‘ransom’ is that Jesus died for all!" This is the Gospel or 'Good News' for all mankind. I'd really be interested in seeing those verses with those words spoken by Jesus.
(Luke 4:18 [UKJV])
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(Matt 4:23 [UKJV])
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
(Luke 9:6 [UKJV])
And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
(Matt 9:35 [UKJV])
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
(Matt 11:5 [UKJV])
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
(Matt 24:14 [UKJV])
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
(Luke 4:18 [UKJV])
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(Matt 4:23 [UKJV])
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
(Luke 9:6 [UKJV])
And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
(Matt 9:35 [UKJV])
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
(Matt 11:5 [UKJV])
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
(Matt 24:14 [UKJV])
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Hello Russell, thank you for your question.
The a nser is not just in what Jesus said, but in what he did and how this was recognized by the Apostle Paul who spells it out for us.
Basically, Adam's transgression required a corresponding ransom payment toreverse the incident in Eden; thereby cancelling out Adamic death and opening the way to a second chance for all mankind to yet gain everlasting life on earth under global paradisaical conditions as originally purposed by Almighty God.
This meant the providing of a Messiah [Anointed-one] who was to become the instrument of this reversal.
When later, God choose a nation for himself [Israel] he gave them statutes and laws to keep including the annual cleansing under their purifying law.
Now as you will be aware, during their captivity in Egypt, the nation of Israel during the ten plagues on Egypt were told to sacrifice a lamb and smear the blood on the door post of every one of their houses so that the angel of death would pass over. The lamb was then cooked and eaten as a supper.
Later the angel of death passed over the house of every family that had done this.
Now the whole point of mentioning this, is because this was actually a foreshadow of a much greater event which was to effect not only the natural nation of Israel; but also all the rest of mankind.
In 33 C.E. the true Lamb of God [Christ Jesus] after eating the Passover with his Apostles, was later arrested and executed at Golgotha; his blood smearing the post of execution. Because of this, the angel of Adamic death pssed over the whole of mankind while at the same time because of the manner of his death; releasing the natural nation for the Mosaic Law which condemned them as imperfect people.
How do we know that this parallel is correct?
Because a few years later, the Apostle Paul by means of the Holy Spirit; i recognizing this complete parallel wrote: "Christ our passover has been sacrificed." (1 Corinthians 5:7) NMTCS
Later in confirmation of this, Paul wrote to Timothy: "...Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." (1 Timothy 2:5,6) NMTCS
By his ransom, all mankind has been redeemed from Adamic death; which is why Jesus is referred to as the Redeemer.
This opening of the way to heavenly immortality for the 'little flock' of anointed-ones, and everlasting life on earth for the rest of resurrected mankind; is actually the Good News of the kingdom which Jesus and his followers preached.
The scriptures confirming the ransom for both groups is as follows:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
This is the fundamental teaching of the Ransom, without which; nothing would be accomplished.
Alexander
The a nser is not just in what Jesus said, but in what he did and how this was recognized by the Apostle Paul who spells it out for us.
Basically, Adam's transgression required a corresponding ransom payment toreverse the incident in Eden; thereby cancelling out Adamic death and opening the way to a second chance for all mankind to yet gain everlasting life on earth under global paradisaical conditions as originally purposed by Almighty God.
This meant the providing of a Messiah [Anointed-one] who was to become the instrument of this reversal.
When later, God choose a nation for himself [Israel] he gave them statutes and laws to keep including the annual cleansing under their purifying law.
Now as you will be aware, during their captivity in Egypt, the nation of Israel during the ten plagues on Egypt were told to sacrifice a lamb and smear the blood on the door post of every one of their houses so that the angel of death would pass over. The lamb was then cooked and eaten as a supper.
Later the angel of death passed over the house of every family that had done this.
Now the whole point of mentioning this, is because this was actually a foreshadow of a much greater event which was to effect not only the natural nation of Israel; but also all the rest of mankind.
In 33 C.E. the true Lamb of God [Christ Jesus] after eating the Passover with his Apostles, was later arrested and executed at Golgotha; his blood smearing the post of execution. Because of this, the angel of Adamic death pssed over the whole of mankind while at the same time because of the manner of his death; releasing the natural nation for the Mosaic Law which condemned them as imperfect people.
How do we know that this parallel is correct?
Because a few years later, the Apostle Paul by means of the Holy Spirit; i recognizing this complete parallel wrote: "Christ our passover has been sacrificed." (1 Corinthians 5:7) NMTCS
Later in confirmation of this, Paul wrote to Timothy: "...Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." (1 Timothy 2:5,6) NMTCS
By his ransom, all mankind has been redeemed from Adamic death; which is why Jesus is referred to as the Redeemer.
This opening of the way to heavenly immortality for the 'little flock' of anointed-ones, and everlasting life on earth for the rest of resurrected mankind; is actually the Good News of the kingdom which Jesus and his followers preached.
The scriptures confirming the ransom for both groups is as follows:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
This is the fundamental teaching of the Ransom, without which; nothing would be accomplished.
Alexander
Just as I thought.
You can't answer the question and just spit out an automated response.
If you can't understand the message of Jesus, how are you going to understand atonement and how it fits into the scheme of things? Ignoring Jesus' teachings is the major sin of the modern church. In those teachings are all the answers.
Jesus does make reference to a form of ransom, but it was not the totality of the Gospel message.
(Mark 10:45 [UKJV])
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(Mark 10:45 [BWE])
The Son of Man did not come to have others help him. But he came to help others. He came to give his life to make many people free.
Now what interesting here is the word ransom in the Greek means," something to loosen with", which falls in line with forgiveness," To lift up and send". The blood of the lamb was never a payment for sin, but a cleansing agent. The blood purified the alter and the people. The blood of the lamb had life [ The life of the animal is in the blood] and that life was transferred to the people. So if we apply these meanings we have," The blood of Christ is something [a tool] to loosen mankind from bondage and transfer life to those who lack it".
Your either a Jehovah Witness or a Mormon, because that's their teachings.
A select few are chosen to go to heaven while the rest are left to live on the new earth.
You can't answer the question and just spit out an automated response.
If you can't understand the message of Jesus, how are you going to understand atonement and how it fits into the scheme of things? Ignoring Jesus' teachings is the major sin of the modern church. In those teachings are all the answers.
Jesus does make reference to a form of ransom, but it was not the totality of the Gospel message.
(Mark 10:45 [UKJV])
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(Mark 10:45 [BWE])
The Son of Man did not come to have others help him. But he came to help others. He came to give his life to make many people free.
Now what interesting here is the word ransom in the Greek means," something to loosen with", which falls in line with forgiveness," To lift up and send". The blood of the lamb was never a payment for sin, but a cleansing agent. The blood purified the alter and the people. The blood of the lamb had life [ The life of the animal is in the blood] and that life was transferred to the people. So if we apply these meanings we have," The blood of Christ is something [a tool] to loosen mankind from bondage and transfer life to those who lack it".
Your either a Jehovah Witness or a Mormon, because that's their teachings.
A select few are chosen to go to heaven while the rest are left to live on the new earth.
The more I study this subject the more I see a thread through all scripture. That thread is, "Cleansing, washing and purifying". Sins appear to have a organic [if I can use that word] structure of staining. If I'm wearing a white t-shirt and drop catchup on it, I've stained the shirt and made myself unrepresentable. Nobody wants to hug the guy with catchup on his shirt. The stain needs to be "Lifted up and sent away"[the Greek for forgiveness] as in washing. Hence, John the Baptist immersing as an act of removing sins. Now I see "ransom" [something to loosen with], the detergent which removes the sins. The Life [blood] of the Christ is what removes the sins when the person is being forgiven [washed].
Cool! Very Cool! Never saw it [ransom] in its full meaning.
Cool! Very Cool! Never saw it [ransom] in its full meaning.
Just as I thought.
You can't answer the question and just spit out an automated response.
If you can't understand the message of Jesus, how are you going to understand atonement and how it fits into the scheme of things? Ignoring Jesus' teachings is the major sin of the modern church. In those teachings are all the answers.
Jesus does make reference to a form of ransom, but it was not the totality of the Gospel message.
(Mark 10:45 [UKJV])
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(Mark 10:45 [BWE])
The Son of Man did not come to have others help him. But he came to help others. He came to give his life to make many people free.
Now what interesting here is the word ransom in the Greek means," something to loosen with", which falls in line with forgiveness," To lift up and send". The blood of the lamb was never a payment for sin, but a cleansing agent. The blood purified the alter and the people. The blood of the lamb had life [ The life of the animal is in the blood] and that life was transferred to the people. So if we apply these meanings we have," The blood of Christ is something [a tool] to loosen mankind from bondage and transfer life to those who lack it".
Your either a Jehovah Witness or a Mormon, because that's their teachings.
A select few are chosen to go to heaven while the rest are left to live on the new earth.
You can't answer the question and just spit out an automated response.
If you can't understand the message of Jesus, how are you going to understand atonement and how it fits into the scheme of things? Ignoring Jesus' teachings is the major sin of the modern church. In those teachings are all the answers.
Jesus does make reference to a form of ransom, but it was not the totality of the Gospel message.
(Mark 10:45 [UKJV])
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(Mark 10:45 [BWE])
The Son of Man did not come to have others help him. But he came to help others. He came to give his life to make many people free.
Now what interesting here is the word ransom in the Greek means," something to loosen with", which falls in line with forgiveness," To lift up and send". The blood of the lamb was never a payment for sin, but a cleansing agent. The blood purified the alter and the people. The blood of the lamb had life [ The life of the animal is in the blood] and that life was transferred to the people. So if we apply these meanings we have," The blood of Christ is something [a tool] to loosen mankind from bondage and transfer life to those who lack it".
Your either a Jehovah Witness or a Mormon, because that's their teachings.
A select few are chosen to go to heaven while the rest are left to live on the new earth.
If you care to read my post very carefully, you will discover that the scriptures I have quoted; actually answer the question which you have posed.
I am not a JW nor a Mormon, but a follower of 'The Way'; the only Christian movement recorded in the whole of the Bible. (Acts 19:9, 23)
Your comment: "," The blood of Christ is something [a tool] to loosen mankind from bondage and transfer life to those who lack it"." is unfortunately incorrect.
If you read the scriptures carefully, you will discover that there are two resurrections in the Bible; the first resurrection is of the anointed 'little flock'. (Luke 12:32)
This is the first raising up from the dead and in this particular case, they are a new immortal heavenly creation. (1 Corinthians 15:49-54; 2 Corinthians 5:17)
The rest of the dead [earthly mankind] do not come to life until the thousand years are ended! (Revelation 20:5)
Now for all this to happen, it has been necessary for Almighty God to provide a Messiah [Anointed-one] to release us all from Adamic death and open the 'way' to a second opportunity for us all to gain everlasting life on the earth as first intended.
The only way this could happen, was for Christ Jesus to offer himself as the Lamb of God and the corresponding ransom to cancel out Adamic death.
"Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all [mankind]." (1 Timothy 2:5, 6)
This ransom was later foreshadowed by the episode in Egypt when the angel of death passed over the Israelite nation after the sacrificing of a lamb and its blood being smeared on every door post of each Jewish family; enabling the angel of death to pass over.
Later, the greater fulfilment of this occurred when the Lamb of God [Christ] offered himself up for sacrifice and his blood staining the post of execution allowed the angel of Adamic death to pass over all mankind (1 Corinthians 5:7) and redeeming us all from that status; opened the 'Way' to the assured hope of a resurrection for both the heavenly little flock and rest of earthly mankind. The scriptural authoritative confirmation:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
The teaching of the select few 'Little Flock' who receive heavenly immortality, is from God's inspired word [Bible]; no one else.
In fact, if Adam and Eve had obeyed God in the first place; Christ Jesus and the heavenly immortal 'little flock' would not exist today!
May I suggest a little more research on your part?
I can tell that you are indeed one who respects the Holy Scriptures and therefore wishes to gain an accurate knowledge of God' will and purpose.
Alexander
The more I study this subject the more I see a thread through all scripture. That thread is, "Cleansing, washing and purifying". Sins appear to have a organic [if I can use that word] structure of staining. If I'm wearing a white t-shirt and drop catchup on it, I've stained the shirt and made myself unrepresentable. Nobody wants to hug the guy with catchup on his shirt. The stain needs to be "Lifted up and sent away"[the Greek for forgiveness] as in washing. Hence, John the Baptist immersing as an act of removing sins. Now I see "ransom" [something to loosen with], the detergent which removes the sins. The Life [blood] of the Christ is what removes the sins when the person is being forgiven [washed].
Cool! Very Cool! Never saw it [ransom] in its full meaning.
Cool! Very Cool! Never saw it [ransom] in its full meaning.
Confirmation of this staus is found first in Revelation 20:6 where it states that this 'little flock' who now reigns with Christ, over these the 'second death' has no authority!
So the blood of Christ has indeed achieved salvation for them, but as for the rest of us [all 'dead' mankind]; as we are still imperfect we will not come to life in God's eyes until the thousand year reign of the Christ is over. (Revelation 20:5)
So this is correct Bible teaching my friend; nothng to do with any single movement or organization.
Christ our Passover, has removed Adamic death from all of us and opened the 'way' to the opportunity of everlasting life on the earth under global paradisaical conditions as first intended. (1 Corinthians 5:7)
Yes, without the Ransom; none of this could ever be accomplished!
Alexander
No! They don't! The question was:"Where does Jesus teach ransom as the Gospel?". He didn't! You are to busy placing words in His mouth He never said. Your gospel is not the same Gospel of Jesus Christ. If it were you would be able to point me to His direct teachings and you would have legitimacy with a worthwhile argument. But you don't!
Today Jesus is nothing more than a "Sock Puppet " with words placed in His mouth by people who wish to push an agenda. They say,"Oh look! There's Jesus, but don't pay any attention to what He teaches. Listen to me and I'll tell you what to believe".
Stick to His teachings and you will see the Gospel.
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Today Jesus is nothing more than a "Sock Puppet " with words placed in His mouth by people who wish to push an agenda. They say,"Oh look! There's Jesus, but don't pay any attention to what He teaches. Listen to me and I'll tell you what to believe".
Stick to His teachings and you will see the Gospel.
Your taking a verse which has no relevance to mankind being dead in God's eyes. Nothing in the verse indicates any of that. You can only arrive at your conclusion by "Addition and Subtraction" from the meaning of the verse. We can only guess at the meaning, because it is not attached to anything else. You can't build a doctrine around a vague verse. The only thing we can assume from the verse is that, "some how individuals are dead [spiritually, mentally, emotionally ????] and their deadness is concerned with dead things".
To attach all your meaning is nothing more than imagination trying to make sense of a vague verse.
Here! Let's build a doctrine. "Judas went out and hung himself.....Go thou and do like wise." That's a doctrine from church of the swing noose. They have a hard time keeping members.
To attach all your meaning is nothing more than imagination trying to make sense of a vague verse.
Here! Let's build a doctrine. "Judas went out and hung himself.....Go thou and do like wise." That's a doctrine from church of the swing noose. They have a hard time keeping members.
My dear RussellJBenigno, all who have taken a Course such as the Oxford Theocratic Course; are alreadt aware that without the Ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus, tne rest of the Bible would mean nothing.
The 'seed' which is to eventually crush Satan in the head, (Genesis 3:15) is actually the kingdom thread which runs from Genesis 3:15 right the way through the Bible to Revelation 20:6.
Everything I post is correct with scripture, the first scripture taught on the Course was "Let God be found true, though every man be found a liar." (Romans 3:4)
If you read Jesus' words carefully, he is referring to everyone outside of his chosen 'little flock' who because of their calling have become 'alive' in Gods eyes as the Apostle Paul informs us.
Jesus therefore referring the the rest of mankind, us, as still being dead in God's eyes due to our continuing imperfection; is confirmed in Revelation 20:5 where we are unformed that only after the thousand year reign of the Christ will the rest of mankind become 'alive' in God's eyes due to then having reached the status of human perfection.
So you see, I am not merely using one verse here, that which I teach is in complete harmony with the whole of the Bible. No other individual except a perfect man could offer a ransom of equal worth to cancel out Adamic sin and put mankind on the road to a second chance of gaining what Almighty God intended in the first place. The whole of the Bible rests on this.
The Bible is full of patterns and parallels leading up to the ultimate passover sacrifice of the Christ, as confirmed by the Apostle Paul who understanding the complete significance of this as foreshadowed by the event in Egypt states: "Christ our Passover has now been sacrificed." (1 Corinthians 5:7)
The two words "Ransom" and "Redemption" both come from the same source, which is why Jesus is referred to as our Redeemer. So without redemption or ransom, we would still be in the same position as the rest of the human race before Christ Jesus offered himself as a corresponding ransom for the perfect life that Adam lost for the whole of mankind.
"For there in one God and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." (1 Timothy 2:5,6)
Further confirmation:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
Please notice the change in words between the first and the second scriptures.
"to give his life a ransom for many.” thereby the word 'many' denoting a limited [FONT="]number [144,000][/FONT]
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." denoting an unlimited number [all the rest of mankind right the way back to Adam].
The whole of the Bible rests on this one event.
Alexander
The 'seed' which is to eventually crush Satan in the head, (Genesis 3:15) is actually the kingdom thread which runs from Genesis 3:15 right the way through the Bible to Revelation 20:6.
Everything I post is correct with scripture, the first scripture taught on the Course was "Let God be found true, though every man be found a liar." (Romans 3:4)
If you read Jesus' words carefully, he is referring to everyone outside of his chosen 'little flock' who because of their calling have become 'alive' in Gods eyes as the Apostle Paul informs us.
Jesus therefore referring the the rest of mankind, us, as still being dead in God's eyes due to our continuing imperfection; is confirmed in Revelation 20:5 where we are unformed that only after the thousand year reign of the Christ will the rest of mankind become 'alive' in God's eyes due to then having reached the status of human perfection.
So you see, I am not merely using one verse here, that which I teach is in complete harmony with the whole of the Bible. No other individual except a perfect man could offer a ransom of equal worth to cancel out Adamic sin and put mankind on the road to a second chance of gaining what Almighty God intended in the first place. The whole of the Bible rests on this.
The Bible is full of patterns and parallels leading up to the ultimate passover sacrifice of the Christ, as confirmed by the Apostle Paul who understanding the complete significance of this as foreshadowed by the event in Egypt states: "Christ our Passover has now been sacrificed." (1 Corinthians 5:7)
The two words "Ransom" and "Redemption" both come from the same source, which is why Jesus is referred to as our Redeemer. So without redemption or ransom, we would still be in the same position as the rest of the human race before Christ Jesus offered himself as a corresponding ransom for the perfect life that Adam lost for the whole of mankind.
"For there in one God and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." (1 Timothy 2:5,6)
Further confirmation:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
Please notice the change in words between the first and the second scriptures.
"to give his life a ransom for many.” thereby the word 'many' denoting a limited [FONT="]number [144,000][/FONT]
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." denoting an unlimited number [all the rest of mankind right the way back to Adam].
The whole of the Bible rests on this one event.
Alexander
Alex What you fail to understand is that I totally understand all you are saying. I am not ignorant to your doctrine.
However, you also fail to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught by Jesus. Your automated responses are nothing more than Frankenstein Theology to me [ Mismatched, out of context, loosely connected verses, infused with imagination and denial]. To you your thoughts make perfect sense. You use the name of Jesus, but can't say what He taught as the Gospel. You are incapable of seeing this and therefore automated in your responses saying the same thing over and over. Even after this you are going to post the same automated responses. You see yourself as being here to convince everyone your right. How sad!
However, you also fail to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught by Jesus. Your automated responses are nothing more than Frankenstein Theology to me [ Mismatched, out of context, loosely connected verses, infused with imagination and denial]. To you your thoughts make perfect sense. You use the name of Jesus, but can't say what He taught as the Gospel. You are incapable of seeing this and therefore automated in your responses saying the same thing over and over. Even after this you are going to post the same automated responses. You see yourself as being here to convince everyone your right. How sad!
My dear fellow, Jesus taught that the good news of the kingdom would be accomplished though his sacrificial atonement for Adamic sin and open the way to a second chance of everlasting life on earth by means of an earthly resurrection for all mankind. (Acts 24:15)
These are not automated responses, but simply scriptural truths acquired over fifty years intesive study of the Holy Scriptures. For instance, there is no scripture in the Bible which informs you of the kingdom thread which runs from Genesis 3:15 right the way through to Revelation 20:6; but it is there!
Just as in Jesus' day, he would give out certain information concerning the kingdom, his death and what was to be accomplished through this; but not every detail. It was up to those listening to inquire further on what he said to gain the correct understanding; unfirtunately many went away without doing this yet really believing that they had the truth. Yet Jesus said to his Apostles; they hear my words but fail to discern their meaning.
I am afraid that at the moment, you have also fallen into this category; Jesus ha no need to mention that the fundamental teaching of the Ransom is the truth on which everything else is based; because he knew that his anointed followers such as the Apostle Paul, would confirm this as they continued their teaching.
As I have already given you:
Further confirmation:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
Please notice the change in words between the first and the second scriptures.
"to give his life a ransom for many.” thereby the word 'many' denoting a limited number [144,000]
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." denoting an unlimited number [all the rest of mankind right the way back to Adam].
The whole of the Bible rests on this one event.
Alexander
Jesus' own words: (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
The Apostle Paul's words: (1 Timothy 2:6)
You wanted Jesus' words, so now you have them; without the Ransom nothing would be accomplished; not even the kingdom of God!
Another point to keep in mind, is that if Adam and Eve had not transgressed in the Garden of Eden; Jesus and his anointed little flock would not exist today!
Check your Bible, it is all there.
Alexander
These are not automated responses, but simply scriptural truths acquired over fifty years intesive study of the Holy Scriptures. For instance, there is no scripture in the Bible which informs you of the kingdom thread which runs from Genesis 3:15 right the way through to Revelation 20:6; but it is there!
Just as in Jesus' day, he would give out certain information concerning the kingdom, his death and what was to be accomplished through this; but not every detail. It was up to those listening to inquire further on what he said to gain the correct understanding; unfirtunately many went away without doing this yet really believing that they had the truth. Yet Jesus said to his Apostles; they hear my words but fail to discern their meaning.
I am afraid that at the moment, you have also fallen into this category; Jesus ha no need to mention that the fundamental teaching of the Ransom is the truth on which everything else is based; because he knew that his anointed followers such as the Apostle Paul, would confirm this as they continued their teaching.
As I have already given you:
Further confirmation:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” [All mankind] (1 Timothy 2:6) NMTCS
Please notice the change in words between the first and the second scriptures.
"to give his life a ransom for many.” thereby the word 'many' denoting a limited number [144,000]
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." denoting an unlimited number [all the rest of mankind right the way back to Adam].
The whole of the Bible rests on this one event.
Alexander
Jesus' own words: (Matthew 20:28 KJV)
The Apostle Paul's words: (1 Timothy 2:6)
You wanted Jesus' words, so now you have them; without the Ransom nothing would be accomplished; not even the kingdom of God!
Another point to keep in mind, is that if Adam and Eve had not transgressed in the Garden of Eden; Jesus and his anointed little flock would not exist today!
Check your Bible, it is all there.
Alexander
You have yet to show me where He taught that as the Gospel. You can't, that should tell you something about what you believe. You point to everywhere else, but Jesus. That tells me Jesus is not your source of revelation, which means He is not Truth to you. You are so bent on teaching your version of truth, you can't see nor understand the Truth as spoken by Jesus. All you have to do is show me what Jesus taught, but that simple task is beyond your comprehension.
My category is one who believes every Word which proceeded from the mouth of Jesus, but yet you can't even quote Him. My category is one who seeks to understand every word Jesus spoke. Wow! Who is failing to discern? The one who quotes Jesus as Truth and seeks out His Words or the one who looks everywhere else but Jesus and can't even quote Jesus. If you can't quote Jesus then you have no clue about ransom.
Finally! Finally! Now we have something to discuss.
You cherry picked a verse of a teaching Jesus gave to the disciples while in private.
Ok! Fine! Fine! I'm excited you are finally bringing Jesus into the conversation.
You quote something but we have to look at it in the light of its context.
There is no [Jesus and Anointed Little Flock] in the verse.
There is no [nothing would be accomplished; not even the kingdom of God] in the verse.
There is [to give his life a ransom for many]
No one is denying the ransom. But! Everything thing needs to be in it's order and the ransom is not the Gospel, but a piece of the underlying structure. Its like an automobile. The automobile has many part which make it work and no one part is more important than another. Try running the car without tires, engine, transmission, fuel pump, battery and etc. The Kingdom of God is that automobile and is the Gospel according to Jesus. Jesus taught the KINGDOM of GOD as the GOSPEL. Anything else is an addendum or parts of the ultimate goal of that Kingdom. You can talk about ransom all you want, but the ultimate goal is the Kingdom of God. Ransom is a part in that Goal and not the Goal its self. Jesus conversation with the disciples about ransom is part of why the Kingdom of God operates. What you are doing is picking one part of the automobile and claiming that part is more superior than the other parts. You can brag about the tires all you want, but without the other parts the tires are useless.
Now! We have to use the Greek meaning. The word ransom in the Greek means," something to loosen with". If you don't like the Greek meaning then you will have to justify another meaning, but I don't see how you can accomplish that.
His life [blood] was given as "an object which loosens". Now the question is loosen from what, why and who are the "many"?
We will continue this.
You cherry picked a verse of a teaching Jesus gave to the disciples while in private.
Ok! Fine! Fine! I'm excited you are finally bringing Jesus into the conversation.
You quote something but we have to look at it in the light of its context.
There is no [Jesus and Anointed Little Flock] in the verse.
There is no [nothing would be accomplished; not even the kingdom of God] in the verse.
There is [to give his life a ransom for many]
No one is denying the ransom. But! Everything thing needs to be in it's order and the ransom is not the Gospel, but a piece of the underlying structure. Its like an automobile. The automobile has many part which make it work and no one part is more important than another. Try running the car without tires, engine, transmission, fuel pump, battery and etc. The Kingdom of God is that automobile and is the Gospel according to Jesus. Jesus taught the KINGDOM of GOD as the GOSPEL. Anything else is an addendum or parts of the ultimate goal of that Kingdom. You can talk about ransom all you want, but the ultimate goal is the Kingdom of God. Ransom is a part in that Goal and not the Goal its self. Jesus conversation with the disciples about ransom is part of why the Kingdom of God operates. What you are doing is picking one part of the automobile and claiming that part is more superior than the other parts. You can brag about the tires all you want, but without the other parts the tires are useless.
Now! We have to use the Greek meaning. The word ransom in the Greek means," something to loosen with". If you don't like the Greek meaning then you will have to justify another meaning, but I don't see how you can accomplish that.
His life [blood] was given as "an object which loosens". Now the question is loosen from what, why and who are the "many"?
We will continue this.
My dear fellow, you are reading the Bible admirably; but failing to discern the sense in which it is written.
The Gospel of the kingdom as taught by Jesus is simply another way of saying the 'Good News'.
Now when Jesus stated that this Gospel of the Kingdom would be preached in all the nations, we immediately have to confirm what exactly the Gospel or Good News is.
If you care to check your Bible thoroughly, you will note that the Gospel which Jesus taught was first the setting up of his heavenly kingdom which would be made up of those 'chosen' to be his heavenly 'little flock' to whom the kingdom belongs. "Have no fear little flock, the kingdom of heaven belongs to you." (Luke 12: 32)
But before the little flock could inherit the kingdom, and before all the rest of mankind could inherit everlasting life on earth after the thousand year reign of the Christ; the 'ransom' for the removal of Adamic death had to be paid!
This is why Jesus informed his Apostles about his imminent arrest and execution, whereby Simon tried to persuade Jesus to go away and avoid it: (Matthew 16:21-23) Later, after his death at Golgotha; those who went early to the tomb and could not find his body were asked by two angels who appeared as men: "Why are you looking for the living one among the dead?" and then were asked to recall how Jesus had spoken to them in Galilee and informed them that: "The Son of man must be deliverer into the hands of sinful men and be impaled and on the third day rise." (Luke 24:5-7)
So Jesus was actually pointing out that unless he fulfilled this task as the corresponding 'ransom' for Adamic death; the 'little flock' would never be able to enter the heavenly kingdom while also there would be no hope for everlasting life on earth for the rest of mankind and therefore no Gospel or Good News of the kingdom!
This is why we have been given these two scriptures; one by Jesus and one by the Apostle Paul confirming that what I have just related, is absolutely correct.
"to give his life a ransom for many.” thereby the word 'many' denoting a limited number [144,000]
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." denoting an unlimited number [all the rest of mankind right the way back to Adam].
One additional point to take into consideration, is that it was also very important that Jesus died in the manner that he did; otherwise although his death in any way shape or form would release us all from Adamic death; it would not have released the nation of Israel from the Mosaic Law which condemned them due to their imperfection as stated by the Apostle Paul. (Romans 5:14; 7:9
So there we have it my friend, straight from the Holy Scriptures.
Alexander
The Gospel of the kingdom as taught by Jesus is simply another way of saying the 'Good News'.
Now when Jesus stated that this Gospel of the Kingdom would be preached in all the nations, we immediately have to confirm what exactly the Gospel or Good News is.
If you care to check your Bible thoroughly, you will note that the Gospel which Jesus taught was first the setting up of his heavenly kingdom which would be made up of those 'chosen' to be his heavenly 'little flock' to whom the kingdom belongs. "Have no fear little flock, the kingdom of heaven belongs to you." (Luke 12: 32)
But before the little flock could inherit the kingdom, and before all the rest of mankind could inherit everlasting life on earth after the thousand year reign of the Christ; the 'ransom' for the removal of Adamic death had to be paid!
This is why Jesus informed his Apostles about his imminent arrest and execution, whereby Simon tried to persuade Jesus to go away and avoid it: (Matthew 16:21-23) Later, after his death at Golgotha; those who went early to the tomb and could not find his body were asked by two angels who appeared as men: "Why are you looking for the living one among the dead?" and then were asked to recall how Jesus had spoken to them in Galilee and informed them that: "The Son of man must be deliverer into the hands of sinful men and be impaled and on the third day rise." (Luke 24:5-7)
So Jesus was actually pointing out that unless he fulfilled this task as the corresponding 'ransom' for Adamic death; the 'little flock' would never be able to enter the heavenly kingdom while also there would be no hope for everlasting life on earth for the rest of mankind and therefore no Gospel or Good News of the kingdom!
This is why we have been given these two scriptures; one by Jesus and one by the Apostle Paul confirming that what I have just related, is absolutely correct.
"to give his life a ransom for many.” thereby the word 'many' denoting a limited number [144,000]
“Who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for all." denoting an unlimited number [all the rest of mankind right the way back to Adam].
One additional point to take into consideration, is that it was also very important that Jesus died in the manner that he did; otherwise although his death in any way shape or form would release us all from Adamic death; it would not have released the nation of Israel from the Mosaic Law which condemned them due to their imperfection as stated by the Apostle Paul. (Romans 5:14; 7:9
So there we have it my friend, straight from the Holy Scriptures.
Alexander