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You clearly don't understand the discussion. It isn't that no one thinks it's okay for them to rest on the sabbath, they are saying the bible tells them to. That is a lie.
2 things: 1, that was meant for jews, and 2, the new testament supersedes such a command.
There are no longer any literal jews that have a more prominent place with God, only spiritual jews.
The letter, which is the law, no longer applies. To argue it does is to dismiss Paul as having any authority. Paul, the man that God chose from his mothers womb, the man that was taught by Christ for 3 years after Christ was resurrected.
Paul, no authority? Yes, that is heretical, and yes, people that cling to the law are judaizers.
And not only is it not immature, it is mature. It shows maturity in His word. It shows the ability to chew and digest "strong meat".
The ones you defend are the babes in Christ. They have need of milk when they are the ones that should be on strong meat by now.
2 things: 1, that was meant for jews, and 2, the new testament supersedes such a command.
There are no longer any literal jews that have a more prominent place with God, only spiritual jews.
The letter, which is the law, no longer applies. To argue it does is to dismiss Paul as having any authority. Paul, the man that God chose from his mothers womb, the man that was taught by Christ for 3 years after Christ was resurrected.
Paul, no authority? Yes, that is heretical, and yes, people that cling to the law are judaizers.
And not only is it not immature, it is mature. It shows maturity in His word. It shows the ability to chew and digest "strong meat".
The ones you defend are the babes in Christ. They have need of milk when they are the ones that should be on strong meat by now.
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Gen 2:3 And Godblessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had restedfrom all his work which God created and made.
Exo 20:8 Rememberthe sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six daysshalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But theseventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do anywork, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant,nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in sixdays the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, andrested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, andhallowed it.
Exo 16:23 Andhe said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the restof the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, andseethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to bekept until the morning.
Exo 16:24 Andthey laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neitherwas there any worm therein.
Exo 16:25 AndMoses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day yeshall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Sixdays ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in itthere shall be none.
Exo 16:27 Andit came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day forto gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 Andthe LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and mylaws?
Exo 16:29 See,for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on thesixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man goout of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 Sothe people rested on the seventh day.
Exo_31:13 Speak thoualso unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: forit is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may knowthat I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo_31:16 Whereforethe children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbaththroughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo_31:17 It is asign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORDmade heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Eze_20:12 Moreoveralso I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they mightknow that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
Eze_20:20 And hallowmy sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know thatI am the LORD your God.
Isa 58:13 Ifthou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holyday; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; andshalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, norspeaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Thenshalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon thehigh places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 66:22 For as thenew heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saiththe LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And itshall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath toanother, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Heb 4:1 Let ustherefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any ofyou should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto uswas the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did notprofit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we whichhave believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, ifthey shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from thefoundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spakein a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest theseventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in thisplace again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeingtherefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it wasfirst preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, helimiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it issaid, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesushad given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of anotherday.
Heb 4:9 Thereremaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he thatis entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God didfrom his.
Heb 4:11 Let uslabour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the sameexample of unbelief.
Heb 4:12 For theword of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints andmarrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither isthere any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are nakedand opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Heb 4:14 Seeing thenthat we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus theSon of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we havenot an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let ustherefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, andfind grace to help in time of need.
Exo 20:8 Rememberthe sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six daysshalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But theseventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do anywork, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant,nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in sixdays the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, andrested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, andhallowed it.
Exo 16:23 Andhe said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the restof the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, andseethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to bekept until the morning.
Exo 16:24 Andthey laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neitherwas there any worm therein.
Exo 16:25 AndMoses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day yeshall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Sixdays ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in itthere shall be none.
Exo 16:27 Andit came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day forto gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 Andthe LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and mylaws?
Exo 16:29 See,for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on thesixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man goout of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 Sothe people rested on the seventh day.
Exo_31:13 Speak thoualso unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: forit is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may knowthat I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo_31:16 Whereforethe children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbaththroughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo_31:17 It is asign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORDmade heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Eze_20:12 Moreoveralso I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they mightknow that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
Eze_20:20 And hallowmy sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know thatI am the LORD your God.
Isa 58:13 Ifthou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holyday; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; andshalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, norspeaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Thenshalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon thehigh places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 66:22 For as thenew heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saiththe LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And itshall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath toanother, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Heb 4:1 Let ustherefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any ofyou should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto uswas the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did notprofit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we whichhave believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, ifthey shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from thefoundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spakein a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest theseventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in thisplace again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeingtherefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it wasfirst preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, helimiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it issaid, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesushad given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of anotherday.
Heb 4:9 Thereremaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he thatis entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God didfrom his.
Heb 4:11 Let uslabour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the sameexample of unbelief.
Heb 4:12 For theword of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints andmarrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither isthere any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are nakedand opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Heb 4:14 Seeing thenthat we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus theSon of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we havenot an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let ustherefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, andfind grace to help in time of need.
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Joh_14:15 Ifye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 Ifye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept myFather's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 Bythis we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep hiscommandments.
1Jn_5:3 Forthis is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandmentsare not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 Andthis is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment,That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_14:12 Hereis the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God,and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the treeof life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh_15:10 Ifye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept myFather's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 Bythis we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep hiscommandments.
1Jn_5:3 Forthis is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandmentsare not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 Andthis is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment,That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_14:12 Hereis the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God,and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the treeof life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
You should examine all the implicities. First of all, anyone who prefers the Seventh Day, and believes it is the day chosen by God is always labeled "under the law."
Your implicite version does not seem to perceive this. I love the Sabbath as taught by God being the day He chose to give me to rest with Him from my own mundane labors.
I have never wanted to convert anyone to my day, since Paul teaches it really does not matter, so please, when you name this implicite accusation, leave me out..............I am sorry you were wounded by somekind of perceived deceit in the past, but it does not come from any of the folks here I know who love the Sabbath as teh Seventh day. We are all quite free to worship 24/7.
Your implicite version does not seem to perceive this. I love the Sabbath as taught by God being the day He chose to give me to rest with Him from my own mundane labors.
I have never wanted to convert anyone to my day, since Paul teaches it really does not matter, so please, when you name this implicite accusation, leave me out..............I am sorry you were wounded by somekind of perceived deceit in the past, but it does not come from any of the folks here I know who love the Sabbath as teh Seventh day. We are all quite free to worship 24/7.
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Why do you conveniently quote the new testament when it serves your purpose friend?
How do you you reconcile those old testament verses with what Paul had to say in Romans 14:4-6?
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."
The old testament law was a pact between God and Israel. Do I need to quote that passage to you or are you already aware of them and simply ignoring them to make your argument?
Why not quote those commandments also?
Matthew 22:38-40 "This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Those are the two and only commandments we have in the new covenant.
How do you you reconcile those old testament verses with what Paul had to say in Romans 14:4-6?
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."
The old testament law was a pact between God and Israel. Do I need to quote that passage to you or are you already aware of them and simply ignoring them to make your argument?
Why not quote those commandments also?
Matthew 22:38-40 "This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Those are the two and only commandments we have in the new covenant.
Forgive me if anyone here thinks my comment is directed at anyone in particular,. It is just acontribution to what is being discussed.
All scripture is good when used with understanding.
All understanding is good when received of the Holy Spirit.......This latter applies to the former also. God bless you all, and forgive my interruption. You comments are well received ...
All scripture is good when used with understanding.
All understanding is good when received of the Holy Spirit.......This latter applies to the former also. God bless you all, and forgive my interruption. You comments are well received ...
I take Saturdays off work,
and gather with my local congregation on Sunday,
and do my yard work Sunday afternoon (which I should get back to doing).
This is a blessing to me, not a fruit of my salvation.
It has been a blessing since the Beginning,
And is the Blessed Hope of the End! Rest in God. Amen.
and gather with my local congregation on Sunday,
and do my yard work Sunday afternoon (which I should get back to doing).
This is a blessing to me, not a fruit of my salvation.
It has been a blessing since the Beginning,
And is the Blessed Hope of the End! Rest in God. Amen.
If such things bother your conscience, clear your conscience.
If you feel guilt or conviction about such topics, clear your conscience.
If you feel no guilt or conviction about such topics, stop worrying about the conscience of others.
Do not burden the conscience of others with your own convictions.
Let each man be convinced for himself.
The Scriptures speak this way about ceremonies and Sabbaths, and we should also.
This isn't about legalism vs disobedience. It is about personal conviction, personal obedience to conviction, and personal blessing for being obedient to the convictions given to us, through the Spirit.
I use "conviction" as the 2nd definition, as it is used in the Word, not by the definition of legal systems.
If you feel guilt or conviction about such topics, clear your conscience.
If you feel no guilt or conviction about such topics, stop worrying about the conscience of others.
Do not burden the conscience of others with your own convictions.
Let each man be convinced for himself.
The Scriptures speak this way about ceremonies and Sabbaths, and we should also.
This isn't about legalism vs disobedience. It is about personal conviction, personal obedience to conviction, and personal blessing for being obedient to the convictions given to us, through the Spirit.
I use "conviction" as the 2nd definition, as it is used in the Word, not by the definition of legal systems.
Prove-all my friend, I know what you are saying is true. Thankfully, there is a great harvest at the end of the Millennium when those who are deceived and are blinded will be given the ability to understand the truth...
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
The books are not opened to them currently but it will be quite interesting to introduce ourselves to them and say something like "you knew me as prove-all or john832" at that time.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
The books are not opened to them currently but it will be quite interesting to introduce ourselves to them and say something like "you knew me as prove-all or john832" at that time.