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Samual

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So I was reading a thing about latter day saints, mormons, and anti mormons. So here is a few scenarios it gave about Hell in these religions

A 6 year old atheist dies in a car crash
LDS-God doesn't hold children responsible for their transgressions so this boy will go to Heaven
Anti Mormon-He goes to Hell because only confessed christians go to Heaven

Even though I confess christianity, my beliefs go more in the middle during this argument. I believe that only christians may enter the kingdom of God, however I don't think God would hold a child responsible for their sins. I know when I was 6 I wasn't thinking about weather or not I had accepted Christ.

A man dies without the opportunity to hear the gospel of Christ.
LDS-He will be taught of the gospel in the spirit world, but God does not send somebody to Hell if they were never given the opportunity to learn of the spirit
Anti Mormon-Again, he burns forever in Hell because only christians may enter the kingdom of God

Again, my beliefs are stuck right in the middle of these two theories. My mother taught me that a fair and just God does not send those to Hell for not knowing. If there was a crime that was illegal in one state, and a man comes out of state not knowing it is illegal there because it was legal in his state, and get's arrested, I don't think they would put him in jail or anything, because he didn't know. So if a child is born, say his parents are drug addicts, he's never even SEEN a Bible, he has no idea what it is or who God is or who Jesus is, he doesn't even know what religion is, and then when he's fifteen, he dies. Does he go to Hell or Heaven, my guess would be Heaven. He was never taught, never knew, it wasn't his fault.

What do you guys think?
 
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moonbeam

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I believe if you belevie in Jesus Christ accept him as savior you automatacly go to heaven.
 
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Romans 7: ... For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.


I interpret this to mean, in part, that we are born innocent and remain so until we are presented with the choice of sin and/or forgiveness. In other words, God doesn't hold us accountable until that point at which we should reasonably know the difference.
 
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Well, as they say, ignorance is no excuse.

People deserve hell, not based on whether they know Jesus or not, they deserve hell because they have broken all of God's commandments in thought or deed.

(I am not speaking of little children or the mentally handicapped, who are incapable of knowing).
 
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First the bible does speak of the age of accountability but does not go into detail on at what age the line gets crossed to where knowing right from wrong comes into play. Therefore children who die not knowing right from wrong will still go to heaven.

Second the part of those who never hear the gospel is covered by Jesus in Luke 12, as Jesus shows how punishment will be handed out at judgment. Because the first thing we must understand is that not everybody who is sent to the lake of fire burns for eternity. This has been a lie spread through generations that is not biblically supported......
 
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A couple of points to ponder....

1. The Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible
2. If your trust into the saving faith of Jesus and acknowledge him as Lord and Savior you will go to heaven upon death
3. There seems to be a grace period for children that has been called the age of accountability....children who have not reached that age (indeterminate in all children) are safe under the blood and will go to heaven...once they reach the age and realize they are a sinner they must repent and trust Jesus to make heaven
4. Some people are mentally incapable to make that decision and are safe under the blood
5. The invisible things testify, day unto day and night unto night sets forth knowledge about God and no language or voice where they are not heard...NONE are without excuse and all are accountable....
 
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My friend,

Why are you talking about prison sentence style punishment.
Catholic oriented nonsense.
Apocryphal teaching of Purgatory.
This is biblically nonsense.
So are people only partly forgiven? Partly Justified? Is God unable to save in your eyes?
Is Gods Hand that Short?

I do not want to dispute but posts like yours???

Where did you get this stuff???
 
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JUSTNE1

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Did you read that on a "we hate a mormon website"?

The Mormon Jesus is very much the Biblical Jesus (at least as much as most other denominations). Please check online and you will see.

I was raised Mormon and although never a practising Mormon I am aware of the teaching, customs and practises of the Church LDS.

The "Book of Mormon" is alternate teaching. Joseph Smith may be a false prophet but
Jesus is exalted in Mormonism,,it is after all a "Christian" denomination and people I met/meet who are friends of my mother from her church are lovely people.

Peace
 
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JUSTNE1 said:
Did you read that on a "we hate a mormon website"?

The Mormon Jesus is very much the Biblical Jesus (at least as much as most other denominations). Please check online and you will see.

I was raised Mormon and although never a practising Mormon I am aware of the teaching, customs and practises of the Church LDS.

The "Book of Mormon" is alternate teaching. Joseph Smith may be a false prophet but
Jesus is exalted in Mormonism,,it is after all a "Christian" denomination and people I met/meet who are friends of my mother from her church are lovely people.

Peace
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No.
Just no.

I agree that most Mormons are lovely people.

However, being a "lovely person" doesn't make your theology correct.
The Mormons clearly, very clearly, do not have a biblical view of Jesus.
 
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JUSTNE1 said:
Did you read that on a "we hate a mormon website"?

The Mormon Jesus is very much the Biblical Jesus (at least as much as most other denominations). Please check online and you will see.

I was raised Mormon and although never a practising Mormon I am aware of the teaching, customs and practises of the Church LDS.

The "Book of Mormon" is alternate teaching. Joseph Smith may be a false prophet but
Jesus is exalted in Mormonism,,it is after all a "Christian" denomination and people I met/meet who are friends of my mother from her church are lovely people.

Peace
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No offence, but not hardly.........I suggest you study the bible and chunk the overly revised Book of Smith and trust Jesus friend......The Mormons are without a doubt, friendly, family orientated and as sincere as you can be....but their doctrine is contrary to the bible.....a honest, non-bias study of the word of God will contradict the book of Mormon......The Word of God is the final word.....

And for the record...I don't hate anyone...having said that...I have debated an ex-boss who gave (talks) at a Mormon church and numerous of your missionaries and all of them are contrary and could not hold up under the word of God as their doctrine falls apart at the seams.....
 
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JUSTNE1

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How many Mormon services you been too?

I've been to Hundreds.

If you don't know best not to slander.

Peace and blessings as always.
 
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JUSTNE1

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I am not a Mormon, my mother is Mormon.

I am not saying I agree with the Book of Mormon.

Simply stating that they are a Christian organisation who confess the same of Salvation in faith alone by Christ alone. They organize Baptisms, Tithe, Have Missionaries, Help poor etc,

They have an exalted view of Our Lord. My mum does not smoke, drink alcohol, swear, watch profane TV or listen to secular music etc. She reads the Bible and can quote it better than most.

I have read the Bible numerous times. I am not any denomination but trust Lord for all people and what they learn.

You are exclusionist and that leads to secularism.

Peace
 
dcontroversal

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JUSTNE1 said:
I am not a Mormon, my mother is Mormon.

I am not saying I agree with the Book of Mormon.

Simply stating that they are a Christian organisation who confess the same of Salvation in faith alone by Christ alone. They organize Baptisms, Tithe, Have Missionaries, Help poor etc,

They have an exalted view of Our Lord. My mum does not smoke, drink alcohol, swear, watch profane TV or listen to secular music etc. She reads the Bible and can quote it better than most.

I have read the Bible numerous times. I am not any denomination but trust Lord for all people and what they learn.

You are exclusionist and that leads to secularism.

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Hey Bro...read and believe what you will...they do no promote the same Jesus that the bible portrays....it is that simple....and to be frank..most average Mormons have no clue what the Mormon church actually teaches as the (deeper) theology is reserved for those in positions.....so....like I said...believe what you will man!
 
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JUSTNE1

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Do you know "Most average mormons"?

I know a lot of Mormons and I would not begin to pretend to know what each one believes or adheres too. This is nothing but Popularist propoganda

People on this site claim to be born again Christians but continually bicker and slander.

If this is main stream western Christianity then we SO NEED HELP!!

Peace
 
dcontroversal

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JUSTNE1 said:
Do you know "Most average mormons"?

I know a lot of Mormons and I would not begin to pretend to know what each one believes or adheres too. This is nothing but Popularist propoganda

People on this site claim to be born again Christians but continually bicker and slander.

If this is main stream western Christianity then we SO NEED HELP!!

Peace
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Sur man....swallow what you will...just stating facts...even if you cannot bear it or accept it!
 
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JUSTNE1

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What facts??????

You have stated supposition, then supposition then followed that with more biased brother slandering (a biblical no no!!)

If we tried I bet I could pick a problem in every Christian denomination anyone could name, but that isn't Christian Love it is spiteful, gossiping and not of the Spirit.

Hey man, I would give you the shirt off my back if you really needed it and I bet a lot of the brothers/sisters from all sorts of backgrounds and denominations would too.

Peace
 
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Samual said:
I don't think God would hold a child responsible for their sins.
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I tend to agree. When King David's baby boy died, he said; "I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me" (2 Samuel 12:23). David seemed to be inferring that he would see his son in paradise. A righteous God would never condemn a child, nor prevent anyone from hearing and accepting the gospel. I believe that after Christ's resurrection, he preached to every lost (imprisoned) soul back to the beginning, who were all given the same opportunity as us to receive Christ as their Savior (1 Peter 3:19). We also know there will be teaching in the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6). I believe this time is reserved for all who never heard the gospel before it reached every corner of the world? jmo
 
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Samual

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JUSTNE1 said:
My friend,

Why are you talking about prison sentence style punishment.
Catholic oriented nonsense.
Apocryphal teaching of Purgatory.
This is biblically nonsense.
So are people only partly forgiven? Partly Justified? Is God unable to save in your eyes?
Is Gods Hand that Short?

I do not want to dispute but posts like yours???

Where did you get this stuff???
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Well I read it off of a website. My beliefs came from what my Mom taught me
 
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Samual

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JUSTNE1 said:
How many Mormon services you been too?

I've been to Hundreds.

If you don't know best not to slander.

Peace and blessings as always.
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I wasn't slandering I was asking what people thought of the theories and stated where my beliefs stood in each case. I'm failing to see how I slandered Mormons
 
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Again, my beliefs are stuck right in the middle of these two theories. My mother taught me that a fair and just God does not send those to Hell for not knowing. If there was a crime that was illegal in one state, and a man comes out of state not knowing it is illegal there because it was legal in his state, and get's arrested, I don't think they would put him in jail or anything, because he didn't know.
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Completely wrong. In our Justice System, ignorance of the Law is not a defense. (carry on)
 
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