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Oh guys, get real. Sometimes, in the pursuit of satisfying my flesh, I become prideful, selfish, even angry or judgmental towards others. Sometimes I begin to doubt and get fearful. I don't WANT to, but anything not of faith is sin. When I get fearful, there is something I'm not believing about God to give you an example. These things aren't willful - afterwards I say "What have I done?"
My flesh is always getting in the way - and I certainly do not will it to do so. Have you not read Paul's struggle in Romans? And, like him, when I keep my mind on the things and purposes of the Spirit, I am not giving in to my flesh.
But it is also true that we just don't always keep our minds on the things of the Spirit. Life's struggles and pains (not to mention physical ones) can disrupt our attention. (Yet those sinful things we do without thinking about them only keep drawing us back into His presence.)
I am sure that I commit sins everyday, but never willfully and can only thank God for his grace. Without that, I would be done for! If I was perfect, I would have no need for the righteousness of Christ. It covers my unrighteousness.
Now comes the debate on this. I stand rooted.
My flesh is always getting in the way - and I certainly do not will it to do so. Have you not read Paul's struggle in Romans? And, like him, when I keep my mind on the things and purposes of the Spirit, I am not giving in to my flesh.
But it is also true that we just don't always keep our minds on the things of the Spirit. Life's struggles and pains (not to mention physical ones) can disrupt our attention. (Yet those sinful things we do without thinking about them only keep drawing us back into His presence.)
I am sure that I commit sins everyday, but never willfully and can only thank God for his grace. Without that, I would be done for! If I was perfect, I would have no need for the righteousness of Christ. It covers my unrighteousness.
Now comes the debate on this. I stand rooted.
V
The reality is, it doesn't make any difference. The reality is, by the fallen nature of man, we have no choice as to whether we sin or not. We do. Everyone. Even though saved, we sin.
Covered by the blood of Christ, confident in His resurrection for new life in us, our sin now longer matters.
What matters is our growth in Christ, our confidence in Him carrying our weight, and our relying on His strength to live out His life in us so others will see, hear, and believe.
Covered by the blood of Christ, confident in His resurrection for new life in us, our sin now longer matters.
What matters is our growth in Christ, our confidence in Him carrying our weight, and our relying on His strength to live out His life in us so others will see, hear, and believe.
K
Yes you can sin without knowing it as the bible does speak on not having the knowledge of what constitutes a sin, but one still continues to do it. Even King David gave a prayer to be covered for such sins;
[h=1]Psalm 19:12-13[/h]12 Who can understand his errors?
Cleanse me from secret faults.
13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
Let them not have dominion over me.
Then I shall be blameless,
And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
Lord Jesus even shows that unbelievers who do not know the difference of what is a sinful behavior will be punished less then those believers who know and continue to live sinfully.
(Luke 12:43-48)
This is why also the Lord's prayer in Matthew is also vague and does not show we have to pinpoint and name every sin, because some will be done in ignorance;
[h=1]Matthew 6:9-13[/h]9 “This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’
S
Thats why we get these loonies on here claiming they are sin free.
Suuuure!
Anyone can live sin free with there body..and 'toot' that perfection horn to all of us.
But you dont know the sins that go through these peoples minds.
Yes I believe sin is a choice. But...
There are certain "oopsies" that are human nature...but forgivible.
Like when I see a man...I thinks amazing lol
Im like whew...wow!
But Im single..and waiting.
Hey we are only human here lol
But bad bad sins
Naw they are NOT oopsies of human nature
Bad Bad sins are choice
Some people delight in being evil...nasty
They belong to Devil
Nuff said ugh
Suuuure!
Anyone can live sin free with there body..and 'toot' that perfection horn to all of us.
But you dont know the sins that go through these peoples minds.
Yes I believe sin is a choice. But...
There are certain "oopsies" that are human nature...but forgivible.
Like when I see a man...I thinks amazing lol
Im like whew...wow!
But Im single..and waiting.
Hey we are only human here lol
But bad bad sins
Naw they are NOT oopsies of human nature
Bad Bad sins are choice
Some people delight in being evil...nasty
They belong to Devil
Nuff said ugh
G
Of coarse we can. Do you have a comprehensive list of every single thing that is a sin? We have absolutely no idea the depth and breadth of how sin has corrupted everything.
What we thought was not sin yesterday, today we learn that it was.
What we think is not sin today, we learn that it is tomorrow.
Rom 7~~ 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
Have you ever snapped at someone and 8 words in you think ," Were the heck did that come from?" Or someone cuts you off in traffic or someone touches your most sensitive baggage in the closet and you have them murdered in your head before you catch yourself thinking," How did I think that!"
20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
What we thought was not sin yesterday, today we learn that it was.
What we think is not sin today, we learn that it is tomorrow.
Rom 7~~ 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
Have you ever snapped at someone and 8 words in you think ," Were the heck did that come from?" Or someone cuts you off in traffic or someone touches your most sensitive baggage in the closet and you have them murdered in your head before you catch yourself thinking," How did I think that!"
20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
E
If I know it is a sin and not ignorant of the fact. it is a sin done in ignorance. (which is why we need to be daily in Gods word, to see what all sin is and grow in the knowledge of Christ)
If I know it to be sin, and do it any way, I can not be like some and say I did not mean it, I did it willfully (even if it was my flesh which empowered it)
If I know it to be sin, and do it any way, I can not be like some and say I did not mean it, I did it willfully (even if it was my flesh which empowered it)
E
well, I'm inclined to think we can and do
why? well, I look at it this way...if even our righteousness is like a filthy rag to God, and that might just be our best effort, then, for me, it's not that big a stretch to think we probably trespass far more then we believe we do
and most likely, absolutely nothing, is a bigger stink in God's nostrils then the self righteous ones who think they have God's approval somehow
and while I know that we have a relationship with God through His Spirit that most folks in the OT did not have, I find verses like these 2 from Isaiah pretty indicative of the difference between us and God irregardless of salvation...like Paul said, we are looking through clouded glass
8“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”declares the Lord.
9“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways Isaiah 55
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
K
Well the first thing we have to do is lead people away from the false teaching that thoughts are sins.
If you closely read what the Lord Jesus said in Matthew 5:28 and what Apostle James said in James 1:14-15, then you would see that it is lustful feelings that are sin and not the thoughts. Just because a person has a bad thought here or there does not mean they have sinned, and we can learn by the Holy Spirit to keep those feelings in check.
For the Holy Spirit was not sent to allow us to continue to walk in iniquity, He was sent to guide us in the proper way to walk in the faith.