Do you know why you are a protestant???

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MikeHenderson said:
Everyone here is missing the point. We do sin even though we have received Salvation. Everybody still sins.

Its not our sins that determine if we enter into Heaven or not. Its have we accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior that determines if we enter into Heaven. When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior our names are written into the Book of Life.

God knows we will still sin. but God does not want us to practice sinning. He wants us to make an effort to stop sinning.

No one is sinless. The ONLY person who was without sin was Jesus Christ.

1 John 1:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we became sinless by receiving Salvation then why did God say ," If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."?

Does this verse not prove we will still sin even though we have received Salvation?

Does that mean we are still to sin willingly? NO!

We are to make every effort we can to stop sinning.
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1 John 1:9. the Bible says sin is not keeping the laws the rules of God and therefore if one speeds on the freeway willfully we can be forgiver. But if one willfully persists to speed one is no longer a Christian...

No human other then Jesus has received Salvation per His example.

Mac.
 
Hello..been gone awhile, yet I see the questions remain the same. Smile. Do we believe we need to be Holy? Do we believe that God can come into us and make us Holy? If thru anyones teachings you convince me that I am unholy, I then resent your teachings. The teaching and preaching of the gospel awakens a intense resentment because it is designed to reveal my unholiness, but it also awakens an intense yearning and desire within me. God has only one destiny for mankind--Holiness. His only goal is to produce saints. God is not some eternal blessing- machine for people to use, and He did not come to save us out of pity--He came to save us because He created us to become Holy. Atonement thru the Cross of Christ means that God put me back into perfect oneness with Himself thru the death of Jesus Christ. Without a trace of anything coming between us any longer.

Never tolerate, because of sympathy for yourself or for others, any practice that is not in keeping with a holy God. Holiness means absolute purity of your walk before God, the words coming from your mouth, and every thought in your mind--placing every detail of your life under the scrutiny of God Himself. Holiness is not simply what God gives me, but what God has given me that is being exhibited in my life.
 
It is also written b ye holy as our God is holy.

Everyone who believes Jesus Christ knows this perfection is a work begun in us by God, not to be completed until His Day, and defintely not in this age.

Yet we are told by God to be perfect!? I have come to understand this more as a promise than acommand since God knows our frame and just how much we are lacking in that capability.

Becaue of this promise, I have come to view all of God's commandments as such, for we will be perfect, just like Jesus Christ on His Day, and this is glorious to anticipate and to meditate upon.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.
 
I think you are confused Mac4Yuma. You said ,"No human other then Jesus has received Salvation per His example.
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Because Adam sinned everybody is a sinner. Salvation is deliverance from the wrath of God because of our sins. When we receive Jesus Christ and Salvation the Blood of Jesus washes us clean of all our sins.

According to you Jesus Christ received Salvation. Why would Jesus Christ need Salvation when He was without sin?

Hebrews 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

If Jesus Christ was without sin then why would He need to receive Salvation Mac4Yuma?

Salvation was for those who were born into sin and sinned. Jesus Christ was born without sin and never sinned.

Why are you then teachings that Jesus Christ sinned and needed to received Salvation?
 
A¨bout our Lord being born without sin. Many do not realize this, but because He was not born of fornication, He was born without sin.

This understanding blesses us all on many levels, but for some it is not yet understood.

Jesus christ was, is and always will be perfect; He is God, amen.
 
JaumeJ said:
A¨bout our Lord being born without sin. Many do not realize this, but because He was not born of fornication, He was born without sin.

This understanding blesses us all on many levels, but for some it is not yet understood.

Jesus christ was, is and always will be perfect; He is God, amen.
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And this is the point! If He is perfect, what are we when found in Him? The same! Yet, we have a tendency to look for wonder in our experience, and we mistake heroic actions for real heroes. It's one thing to go thru a crisis grandly, yet quite another to go thru every day glorifying God when there is no witness, no limelight, and no one paying even the remotest attention to us. If we are not looking for halos, we at least want something that will make people say, "What a wonderful man of prayer he is!" or, "What a great woman of devotion she is!" If we are properly devoted to the Lord Jesus, we have reached the lofty height where no one would ever notice us personally. All that is noticed is the Power of God coming thru us all the time.

We want to say, "Oh, I have had a wonderful call from God!" But to do even the most humbling tasks to the glory of God takes the Almighty God Incarnate working in us. To be utterly unnoticeable requires God's Spirit in us making us absolutely humanly His. The true test of a saints life is not successfulness but faithfulness on the human level of life. And thats right--not despite of, but because of .... the weak human vessel we are. For as we do the impossible in our own merits, His glory is revealed in our experiential life.

We tend to set-up success in Christian work as our purpose, but our purpose should be to display the glory of God in human life, to live a life "hidden with Christ in God"..in our everyday human conditions Col. 3:3. Our human relationships are the very conditions in which the ideal life of God should be exhibited.

I do not want to grasp at what I am not. I want to recognize what Christ is in me. Then, instead of praying for it i become it. For Christ has already done the work to get me there.
 
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Romans 5:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

Its the Father who passes the sins unto the child in the womb. Adam sinned and he passed the sin on to everyone else.

It was the Holy Spirit who was the Father of Jesus Christ. Since the Holy Spirit is without sin Jesus Christ therefore was without sin also.

Matthew 1:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is without sin and therefore Jesus Christ was without sin by the Holy Spirit.
 
Surhope said:
Why you are not catholic?? or if you are a Catholic do you know what the other churches disagree??
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There are many reasons why I'm not catholic. I'm as uncatholic as it gets, in most every view of it
 
The Scriptures clearly says it was by the Holy Spirit that keep Jesus Christ without sin.

Yet the Catholics and the Catholic Church spit in God's eye and say it was Mary that keep Jesus Christ without sin.

Do you see how the Catholics remove God and put their Mary in the spot light instead?

This is one of the main objections I have with the Catholics. They are always putting Mary equal to God!

Basically what the Catholics are saying is that Mary can do the same things God can do and sometimes better than God.

Its so sad that the Catholics have been so deceived by Satan that they are putting their Eternal Souls at risk of ending up in the Lake of Fire.
 
MikeHenderson said:
The Scriptures clearly says it was by the Holy Spirit that keep Jesus Christ without sin.
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I would like to see those verses. I believe Jesus was without sin because He is the eternal and uncreated Son of God (who is the second person of the Godhead).

Yet the Catholics and the Catholic Church spit in God's eye and say it was Mary that keep Jesus Christ without sin.

Do you see how the Catholics remove God and put their Mary in the spot light instead?
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Well, yes and no. Yes, it is true that Catholics wrongfully jump at any chance to uplift Mary as a god; However, that said, sin is passed down thru the male seed. Hence, why the body of Christ Jesus had to have been by way of a virgin birth. For in Adam all die and so by Christ all shall be made alive. Anyways, Jesus was without sin because of WHO He was. It really did not have much to do with some kind of external outside force helping Him. To say that the Father and the Spirit helped Him has to be clarified. We have to say that they are a part of Him because the different persons of the Godhead all exist in perfect harmony as one God.

This is one of the main objections I have with the Catholics. They are always putting Mary equal to God!

Basically what the Catholics are saying is that Mary can do the same things God can do and sometimes better than God.

Its so sad that the Catholics have been so deceived by Satan that they are putting their Eternal Souls at risk of ending up in the Lake of Fire.
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We should pray for Catholics and talk to them in love. I think that is the best way to lead them to Christ. Yes, the Judgment of God wll befall anyone who chooses a false way and yes, it the fear of the Lord that men depart evil, but we have to be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents when we talk to those who need to be saved.
 
MikeHenderson said:
I think you are confused Mac4Yuma. You said ,"No human other then Jesus has received Salvation per His example.
".

Because Adam sinned everybody is a sinner. Salvation is deliverance from the wrath of God because of our sins. When we receive Jesus Christ and Salvation the Blood of Jesus washes us clean of all our sins.

According to you Jesus Christ received Salvation. Why would Jesus Christ need Salvation when He was without sin?

Hebrews 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

If Jesus Christ was without sin then why would He need to receive Salvation Mac4Yuma?

Salvation was for those who were born into sin and sinned. Jesus Christ was born without sin and never sinned.

Why are you then teachings that Jesus Christ sinned and needed to received Salvation?
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I did not say that you must have just felt like I said such I said No human other then Jesus has received Salvation per His Example. Jesus also gave an example of baptism when one is an adult, He also well you should know all the examples Jesus did so that we could follow Him correctly.


Mac.
 
Mac4Yuma said:
I did not say that you must have just felt like I said such I said No human other then Jesus has received Salvation per His Example. Jesus also gave an example of baptism when one is an adult, He also well you should know all the examples Jesus did so that we could follow Him correctly.


Mac.
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So Jesus recieved salvation?
 
How could God need to receive Salvation?

If Jesus needed Salvation then that means Jesus had sinned!

So you sir believe God is a sinner?
 
Mac4Yuma said:
I did not say that you must have just felt like I said such I said No human other then Jesus has received Salvation per His Example. Jesus also gave an example of baptism when one is an adult, He also well you should know all the examples Jesus did so that we could follow Him correctly.


Mac.
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I'm guessing those "few here" your comments are for that you spoke of on another Forum aren't on this thread either?
 
Mac4Yuma said:
1 John 1:9. the Bible says sin is not keeping the laws the rules of God and therefore if one speeds on the freeway willfully we can be forgiver. But if one willfully persists to speed one is no longer a Christian...

No human other then Jesus has received Salvation per His example.

Mac.
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Well, that pretty much nullifies Grace.........Hmm,
 
Jason0047 said:
I would like to see those verses. I believe Jesus was without sin because He is the eternal and uncreated Son of God (who is the second person of the Godhead).



Well, yes and no. Yes, it is true that Catholics wrongfully jump at any chance to uplift Mary as a god; However, that said, sin is passed down thru the male seed. Hence, why the body of Christ Jesus had to have been by way of a virgin birth. For in Adam all die and so by Christ all shall be made alive. Anyways, Jesus was without sin because of WHO He was. It really did not have much to do with some kind of external outside force helping Him. To say that the Father and the Spirit helped Him has to be clarified. We have to say that they are a part of Him because the different persons of the Godhead all exist in perfect harmony as one God.

We should pray for Catholics and talk to them in love. I think that is the best way to lead them to Christ. Yes, the Judgment of God wll befall anyone who chooses a false way and yes, it the fear of the Lord that men depart evil, but we have to be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents when we talk to those who need to be saved.
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Christ sacrifice was for everybody, who love Him and obey Him... Bottom line... when Catholics and protestants get together as one! is already happening... Are you guys going to follow the pope?? or follow Jesus?? that's the end of the controversy, is coming soon with the Sunday Law, and union of churches, persecution of Christians that want to follow Jesus and his teachings adoring Him in his Sabbath day!! The day is coming when there's only two groups, no more religions... the ones that follow men (pope) on Sunday, and the ones who follow Jesus and his word keeping the Sabbath holly, the seventh day Saturday, according to the fourth commandment on Exodus 20: 7-11. Please!! don't believe me or ignore what I'm saying just pray and search in the word of God for the truth! every soul is precious!! to His eyes!! May God help us to follow Him and don't be deceived! I love you all but Jesus loves you more!! that gave His own life for all of you! Is my constant prayer that everybody that read my messages understand the truth!
Thank you for reading.
 
Surhope said:
Christ sacrifice was for everybody, who love Him and obey Him... Bottom line... when Catholics and protestants get together as one! is already happening... Are you guys going to follow the pope?? or follow Jesus?? that's the end of the controversy, is coming soon with the Sunday Law, and union of churches, persecution of Christians that want to follow Jesus and his teachings adoring Him in his Sabbath day!! The day is coming when there's only two groups, no more religions... the ones that follow men (pope) on Sunday, and the ones who follow Jesus and his word keeping the Sabbath holly, the seventh day Saturday, according to the fourth commandment on Exodus 20: 7-11. Please!! don't believe me or ignore what I'm saying just pray and search in the word of God for the truth! every soul is precious!! to His eyes!! May God help us to follow Him and don't be deceived! I love you all but Jesus loves you more!! that gave His own life for all of you! Is my constant prayer that everybody that read my messages understand the truth!
Thank you for reading.
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Those of us who follow the pope , as YOU say, have services (Mass) 365 days a year. I don't know what this Sunday thing your talking about is. The protestants hold services mainly on Sunday. Oh by the way, we follow God! The pope is the overseer of the church
 
mwc68 said:
Those of us who follow the pope , as YOU say, have services (Mass) 365 days a year. I don't know what this Sunday thing your talking about is. The protestants hold services mainly on Sunday. Oh by the way, we follow God! The pope is the overseer of the church
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You do realize that Christ is your overseer right? Because you personally are the Church.

You are your own Priest. You have probably learned more doctrine here than the pope has in his whole life.
 
Gr8grace said:
You do realize that Christ is your overseer right? Because you personally are the Church.

You are your own Priest. You have probably learned more doctrine here than the pope has in his whole life.
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Yes I do know Christ leads the Church. Someone has to lead the organization. I pretty sure someone at your church is the leader of its organization
 
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