Busted: "Sinless" Perfectionists Debunked

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eternally-gratefull said:

I rest my case. Thanks for proving me right steven.

No, I stopped listening to my dad, because I was a hypocrite (like you) when I listened to my dad, and saw no power over sin.

You should worry more about your eternal soul, than if a person playing an electric guitar to praise God, and a man who probably has done more for society than you ever have.

Thats the issue with phraiseeism, you stick your foot in your mouth, and you do not even know it.
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My, my..... here's a guy that openly admits he reads severely wicked novels by Stephen King & plays & sings classic rock, & has the audacity to tell me I've stuck my foot in my mouth!

Then..... tells me he's done more good than me, but doesn't even know me. But I'm a hypocrite ,cuz he said so.

Tell ya what..... don't let me interfere with you telling us what else you like & do..... tell us more. Anyone who loves reading satanic novels must have more.

BTW, why should I worry 'bout my eternal soul if I'm eternally secure?

I put my smileys on my posts to show I was having fun, but you didn't take it that way. I might have been pullin' yer chain a little bit, but I didn't expect you to come out gnashing & lambasting me like that.

Cool yer jets, bro.:)
 
Well, it's been fun, but time to get with getting on. Let me know if any of the sinless need ankle weights, to protect their heads from the ceiling. And may the Lord's tender mercies keep all us mortals...
 
I don't believe in sinless perfection. Paul gave us a set of verses that confirm he couldn't do it because he lived in sinful flesh. All of this is in present tense, not past tense.
Romans 7:14-25 (KJV) [SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [SUP]15[/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. [SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: [SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Yes, this scripture is complicated, I know. But, it speaks to Paul's current status as an apostle & he admits as long as we live in our fleshly bodies, we will fall into sin. We even see examples in scripture where Paul calls the high priest a "whited wall", then repents of it when rebuked. The only one who had sinless perfection was Jesus, & he did that while still under the Law.

I wish I could be that perfect..... but I'll never see it till I see Jesus face to face.:)
 
JesusIsAll said:

It's been a learning experience in spiritual quackery, the web. I never recall, in real life, knowing anybody claiming sinless perfection. I've know holy Joes, a sociopathic sort of control freak "Christian," a Bible thumper who's quick to see what's wrong with everybody else that doesn't conform to their will. You know the type, prophet wannabes, looking for attention and a cult following.

Oddly, such holy Joes most always seem to be found insufferable and abusive in their families, nobody comfortable around them, often adulterous of their spouses: walking, narcissistic hypocrites, dirty laundry piled in that closet. The higher they rise, the harder they fall. Yet the holy Joes I've come across have not claimed sinlessness, despite their pretense of holiness. Maybe it's just implied, something they're smart enough not to go around saying.

Come to find, of the following gem of a video, in words of one of my favorite preachers of old, that this problem has existed for sometime, clearly. You learn something new everyday.

If you've found yourself running across a sinless purveyor of doubt as to the salvation of the Lord, and in slander of your soul, impugning your assurance and relationship to your Lord, this video will much interest you.

Matthew 23:23-4 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.


[video=youtube;6s5wHNC8LGY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s5wHNC8LGY[/video]​
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