Why couldn't Esau repent? Hebrews 12:17

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Jay3009

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Why couldn't Esau find repentance in Hebrews 12:17 even though he sought it with tears? I know that Esau sold his birthright but in my opinion repentance with tears is the most sincerest type of repentance so why did Gid reject him? Also can this verse be interpreted for any of us living today as there are times when repentance is too late no matter how sincere you are or is it specific just to Esau for selling his birthright?
 
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Il give it a read now, thank you bro :)
 

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Why couldn't Esau find repentance in Hebrews 12:17 even though he sought it with tears? I know that Esau sold his birthright but in my opinion repentance with tears is the most sincerest type of repentance so why did Gid reject him? Also can this verse be interpreted for any of us living today as there are times when repentance is too late no matter how sincere you are or is it specific just to Esau for selling his birthright?
Because he was an immoral and a godless person.
 
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Thank you for taking the time to answer oldhermit. Wasn't the apostle Paul also that at one point though before God revealed Himself to him on the road to Damascus? He persecuted Christians.
 

oldhermit

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Thank you for taking the time to answer oldhermit. Wasn't the apostle Paul also that at one point though before God revealed Himself to him on the road to Damascus? He persecuted Christians.
There is a great deal of difference between Paul and Esau. The Hebrew writer describes Esau as immoral and godless or profane. He begins in verse 14 saying,

"Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears."


Sanctification / holiness must become more that just an imputed attribute. It must become our personal character. Since we now share in his holiness, we must confirm our conduct to that image. What the soul has been made to be is be reflected in our thought, speech and behavior. The writer lists three things in the text that are contrary to holiness.
a. Bitterness – πικρίας – extreme wickedness. The bitter root produces a bitter fruit.
b. Immorality – πόρνος literally a prostitute, both physical and spiritual – The former will always reflect the latter, Philippians 3:18-19.
c. Godlessness – This is the profane mind. It is the mind that shows disrespect or contempt for things that are holy. The holy thing that is profaned is that person's relationship with the Lord which was to be reflected in the blessing and the birthright. Esau becomes the poster boy for this type of disregard. Here is a man who represents the classic case of the profane mind. He rejected his birthright. Esau demonstrated a higher regard for material concerns than for holy things. Consequently, he lost his blessing also. He found no place for repentance though he “sought it with tears.” The 'it' modifies the blessing not the repentance. Once the time to inherit had come, he could no longer lay claim to that which he had despised. There was no place left for repentance. Paul was a man with a completely opposite character.
 
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for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears
I understand this differently. Namely that 'he sought for it with tears' sounds like metanoia---what I
usually call a change of mind, repentance. But that he could not change the outcome of what he'd done.
Similar to the phrase, in the New Testament, of 'weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
 

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Repentance means to turn from sin and turn to God.

Esau did not Repent, in other words He did not turn from sin to God. He was sorry for the consequences of His sin but did not turn from it.
 
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Because it was too late.....the damage was done and just like the children of Israel when they tried to go in and take the land the day AFTER God said it was too late......just like when ADAMate the fruit....it was too late.....and lest we forget..Esau was not under grace as we are!
 
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Why couldn't Esau find repentance in Hebrews 12:17 even though he sought it with tears? I know that Esau sold his birthright but in my opinion repentance with tears is the most sincerest type of repentance so why did Gid reject him? Also can this verse be interpreted for any of us living today as there are times when repentance is too late no matter how sincere you are or is it specific just to Esau for selling his birthright?
ASV "For ye know that even when he afterward desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected; for he found no place for a change of mind in his father, though he sought it diligently with tears."


Albert Barnes "For he found no place of repentance - Margin, “Way to change his mind,” That is, no place for repentance “in the mind of isaac,” or no way to change his mind. It does not mean that Esau earnestly sought to repent and could not, but that when once the blessing had passed the lips of his father, he found it impossible to change it. Isaac firmly declared that he had “pronounced” the blessing, and though it had been obtained by fraud, yet as it was of the nature of a divine prediction, it could not now be changed."


Adam Clarke "Here μετανοια is not to be taken in a theological sense, as implying contrition for sin, but merely change of mind or purpose; nor does the word refer here to Esau at all, but to his father, whom Esau could not, with all his tears and entreaties, persuade to reverse what he had done. I have blessed him, said he, yea, and he must be blessed; I cannot reverse it now."


Coffman Commentary " Whether or not Isaac, at the time it happened, knew that God's hand was in Jacob's receiving the blessing, he certainly knew it by the time mentioned here when Esau sought earnestly to change the matter; thus it is said that Esau found no place for a change in the mind of his father."


Coke's Commentary "And you know that afterwards, when he was desirous to inherit the benediction, he was judged unworthy of it; nor could he find any way to change the mind of Isaac, although he sought it earnestly, and with tears. Heylin. "


AT Robertson "He sought it (αυτην — autēn the blessing ευλογιαν — eulogian) with tears, but in vain. There was no change of mind in Isaac. The choice was irrevocable as Isaac shows (Genesis 27:33). "
 
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he cursed himself by marrying caanite women. cant have cursed blood in the blood line of Christ.
 
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For a good tree brings not forth corrupt fruit; neither does a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6
 

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Why couldn't Esau find repentance in Hebrews 12:17 even though he sought it with tears? I know that Esau sold his birthright but in my opinion repentance with tears is the most sincerest type of repentance so why did Gid reject him? Also can this verse be interpreted for any of us living today as there are times when repentance is too late no matter how sincere you are or is it specific just to Esau for selling his birthright?

For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears. (Heb 12:17)

For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
(Heb 12:17)



The 'it' refers to the birthright/blessing not repentance. His tears was because he didn't get the blessing, there was no repentance...he had no remorse for acting profane (putting the pot of lentils above the spiritual birthright).
 

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The koiné Greek word for "repentance" is metanoia (met-an'-oy-ah) which
essentially means to change one's mind; viz: to reconsider.

Well; Esau was an okay guy, but he was secular to the bone. He "got
religion" right quick when he saw his way of life costing him the blessing;
but he was a day late and a dollar short, so to speak.

You know: the time for people to believe in hell is not when they get there,
but before they get there.

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What a great discussion! I think what Esau was seeking was a place of repentance in his heart, but it wasn't there. In other words he remained wholly convinced of his position and asserted himself pridefully over the will of God. I find a contemporary church warning here, that hardness of heart comes when we think we have every right to take certain positions of faith or action, and have become hardened to the voice of God which would tell us otherwise.

The tears part is like when a naughty child has tried everything else to get his own way...and now it thinks it might manipulate with tears as a last resort.

There are tears, and then there are tears! There are tears that spring from sincere repentance before God, but also there are tears that regret only the loss of privilege or blessing as an outcome of their selfish action, while not regretting the selfish action itself: in a sense, blaming God for HIS hard heartedness.

In Matthew 25 there is a picture of such an unfaithful servant, the recipient of one talent as follows: Vs 24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

Later the scary verse that clangs a bell of doom to the prideful heart which refuses to know the nature of our God:vs[SUP]29[/SUP] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

So the removal of blessing and privilege is just, if we have refused to allow the Lord to show us where we err.

Better to remember Paul's words in Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

There were those who asserted their faithfulness because of their own works, while true believers, those born of God, know that they have nothing to boast about in the flesh, and therefore worship God in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in that flesh of their first birth that was and is still so full of sin.

The tears of the woman that washed the feet of Jesus (Luke 7) are the righteous tears of knowing her own sinfulness before the One in Whom there is no sin, and Who came to save her. Personal sin has always been a bitter pill to swallow for the self-righteous, but recognition of our own sinfulness is the one requirement and qualification in order to be suitable for salvation. There can be no true repentance without recognition of our own sinfulness, clearly, and that position needs to remain in place through our walk.

Jesus was criticized for hanging out with the despised people, up to their necks in sins of all kinds. The scribes and pharisees murmured against the company of disciples with Him: "Why do you eat and drink with publicans and sinners?" Jesus replied as follows:
[SUP]Luke 5:31[/SUP] And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.[SUP]32[/SUP] I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

There is the nature of God and the Gospel of love for all men.

So to conclude, this is the question: are we righteous and whole outside of the power of God? Do we have no need for cleansing and healing, forgiveness and restoration?

If so, then that demonstrates the eternal danger of Esau's position.

Love to all!
 
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Jay3009

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Thank you for all your answers, much appreciated :)
 

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he cursed himself by marrying caanite women. cant have cursed blood in the blood line of Christ.
If you are referring to Zipporah, she was a Midianite and Midian was indeed paer to the Canaan territory but, Midianites were descended from the same blood line and Moses. They were the descendents of Midian one of Abraham's later sons by his second wife thus of the same blood line. Moses was not cursed because he married Zipporah.
 
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If so, then that demonstrates the eternal danger of Esau's position.
By this do you think Esau was lost? If so, what evidence is there to support Esau was eternally lost?
 
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If you are referring to Zipporah, she was a Midianite and Midian was indeed paer to the Canaan territory but, Midianites were descended from the same blood line and Moses. They were the descendents of Midian one of Abraham's later sons by his second wife thus of the same blood line. Moses was not cursed because he married Zipporah.
i was referring to Judith and Beeri. zipporah was married only after he saw all the problems he caused with his first 2 wifes
 

oldhermit

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i was referring to Judith and Beeri. zipporah was married only after he saw all the problems he caused with his first 2 wifes
Where are you getting this information? Give me a biblical text.