Let me save you some trouble. First of all, Beeri is a masculine name and there are only two men in scripture who are so named. There was Beeri the father of Judith who was Esau's second wife. This is the ONLY Judith mentioned in scripture. The only other Beeri mentioned was the father of the prophet Hosea. Moses only had one wife - Zipporah.
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We are all lost who will not receive the chastisement of God.
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
But nowhere here does the Hebrew writer say Esau was eternally lost.
Information we have about Esau AFTER he sold his birthright and lost the blessing that was given to Jacob, Esau said he would slay Jacob (Gen 27:41), Jacob fled from Esau (Gen 27:43,44), Later, Jacob agreed to meet with Esau (Gen 32:3-6). WHen the two brothers met in person and instead of slaying Jacob, Esau "ran to meet him (Jacob), and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept." (Gen 33:4) Esau repented of slaying Jacob with the two forgiving each other. Jacob and Esau lived together and both were so greatly blessed the land could not bear them both (Gen 36:7) so the Lord blessed Esau by giving him Mt Seir to live (Deut 2:5) having destroyed the Horims before Edom so they could possess the land (Deut 2:22)
I think you confused him when you replied to his comments about Esau's wives by thinking he was referring to Moses -
post 18. If you are referring to Zipporah, she was a Midianite and Midian was indeed paer to the Canaan territory but, Midianites were descended from the same blood line and Moses. They were the descendents of Midian one of Abraham's later sons by his second wife thus of the same blood line. Moses was not cursed because he married Zipporah.
But he wasn't referring to Moses.
post 18. If you are referring to Zipporah, she was a Midianite and Midian was indeed paer to the Canaan territory but, Midianites were descended from the same blood line and Moses. They were the descendents of Midian one of Abraham's later sons by his second wife thus of the same blood line. Moses was not cursed because he married Zipporah.
But he wasn't referring to Moses.
It feels to me like you are asking a deeper, more personal question than whether Esau was lost, while the Hebrews scripture is giving a more general illustration to the church of what it means to refuse the voice of God. The condition of heart is the important thing here, more so than the do's and don'ts: it is the lack of heart towards God, and the lack of understanding of His heart, that would identify in us or in Esau a lack of sonship. The heart that loves God seeks to please Him in all his ways. Clearly while we still stand in the flesh we will understand that this flesh has other ideas than to please God. But in our hearts and minds we want to please Him, though the flesh overtake us with a number of transgressions.
Fortunately for us, Jesus being the spotless Lamb of God, He was able by His willing sacrifice to be the blame and the punishment for the things we continuously do in the flesh. This doesn't mean those things are made clean to do, but that the price was paid once, for all....and that our hearts are washed.
I believe it is only the children of God who truly want to please their heavenly Father. What it is to be chastised as a child of God is a different thing to knowing the wrath of God which is able to end our hope of eternal continuance. If we are children of God we know Him more intimately, and we have His heart and mind because of Christ in us, the Hope of glory. We have crossed from death to life. There is therefore now NO condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Cannot walk after the Spirit unless we have the Spirit; cannot have the Spirit of God unless we are born again.
We can't know for sure what God did with Esau, but we can know for sure that whatever it was, it was just.
Fortunately for us, Jesus being the spotless Lamb of God, He was able by His willing sacrifice to be the blame and the punishment for the things we continuously do in the flesh. This doesn't mean those things are made clean to do, but that the price was paid once, for all....and that our hearts are washed.
I believe it is only the children of God who truly want to please their heavenly Father. What it is to be chastised as a child of God is a different thing to knowing the wrath of God which is able to end our hope of eternal continuance. If we are children of God we know Him more intimately, and we have His heart and mind because of Christ in us, the Hope of glory. We have crossed from death to life. There is therefore now NO condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Cannot walk after the Spirit unless we have the Spirit; cannot have the Spirit of God unless we are born again.
We can't know for sure what God did with Esau, but we can know for sure that whatever it was, it was just.
J
lol hermit i see where we got mixed up:
here we got Moses and Esau mixed up.
here i got zipporah (of Moses) mixed up with Mahalath (3rd wife of Esau)
and here is where you are scratching your head wondering what in the world kind of bible is jaybird reading from??
i was at work on the phone and couldnt really focus on what i was doing. but looking back at it now, lol kinda funny.
here we got Moses and Esau mixed up.
here i got zipporah (of Moses) mixed up with Mahalath (3rd wife of Esau)
and here is where you are scratching your head wondering what in the world kind of bible is jaybird reading from??
i was at work on the phone and couldnt really focus on what i was doing. but looking back at it now, lol kinda funny.
