Are you implying that normal, intimate relations between a husband and wife are "fornication" ?
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Are you intentionally misunderstanding the post in order to sow discord? That's what it seems.
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Not at all, SolidGround. It seemed a reasonable inference from Jaume's post.
Does that mean that people born of normal marital relations (surely not 'fornication) are "born without sin" ?
Not at all, SolidGround. It seemed a reasonable inference from Jaume's post.
"because He was not born of fornication, He was born without sin".
Does that mean that people born of normal marital relations (surely not 'fornication) are "born without sin" ?
The implication is not in the direction you are taking it... at all.
Reread the conversation prior to his post.
His post is not a stand-alone doctrinal statement, but part of a conversation.
Jusst in case. Because Jesus is born of a virgin, conceived by the Holy Ghost, He never sinned...
Though perfect, He was treated as a sinner and murdered by sinners at the hands His own people, His own tribe, Judah. Funny that His betrayer is also named Judah. For me this is Sealing the prophecies.
Though perfect, He was treated as a sinner and murdered by sinners at the hands His own people, His own tribe, Judah. Funny that His betrayer is also named Judah. For me this is Sealing the prophecies.
What's funny is those who claim to be protestant are in fact PROTESTANT ROMAN CATHOLICS just like the one who started it, Martin luther, an RC. And who died an RC. He never protested being RC, just ninty-five beliefs out of all the RC beliefs.
Pumicestone you misunderstand.
Its the Father of the child that passes on the sins to his child, not the Mother like the Catholics teach. Mary did not have to be without sin in order to keep Jesus without sin.
It was the Father who HAD to be without sin in order to keep Jesus without sin. The Father of Jesus Christ was the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is without sin.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and because the Holy Spirit was without sin Jesus then was without sin.
Its interesting to note how the Catholics have removed the Holy Spirit and put Mary in His place instead.
Is everyone starting to see how the Catholics always remove God from the equation and insert Mary into the place that belongs to God?
This is Idolatry!
Its the Father of the child that passes on the sins to his child, not the Mother like the Catholics teach. Mary did not have to be without sin in order to keep Jesus without sin.
It was the Father who HAD to be without sin in order to keep Jesus without sin. The Father of Jesus Christ was the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is without sin.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and because the Holy Spirit was without sin Jesus then was without sin.
Its interesting to note how the Catholics have removed the Holy Spirit and put Mary in His place instead.
Is everyone starting to see how the Catholics always remove God from the equation and insert Mary into the place that belongs to God?
This is Idolatry!
On what grounds ?
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"Centuries after the KJV became the "noblest monument of English prose," in fact, there arose a clear need for a new, updated translation.
As the "Preface" to the Revised Standard Version ("RSV") relates:
"…the King James Version has grave defects.
By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based,
made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation…."
By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based,
made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation…."
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Actually the NASB is the most accurate Bible because its a word for word translation not a thought for thought transulation like some are.
I have it and it is not word for word and if it was it would be very hard to read and understand!
I like it and use it but I start from the King James and then the others a lot of others.
Mac.
My Bibles mostly say a Christian is to be a shinning example of what a Christian is and to also give a Christian answer to questions asked of one. It also pints out the different jobs Christians have In God's Church and one covers the reasoning together with others of like minds... Makes me think about the all chiefs and no Indians term but sadly it does not cover what I was thinking like I thought.
Mac.
It also says in the Scriptures we are to expose the works of darkness Mac4Yuma.
Ephesians 5:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
We are to expose the "Works of Darkness" that the Catholics and the Catholic Church does in the name of God!
Ephesians 5:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
We are to expose the "Works of Darkness" that the Catholics and the Catholic Church does in the name of God!
Please, I am implying nothing, however if you read the Word, yo will find that when a man and woman have relations they are considered unclean until they have cleansed themselves and waited the time given by the law. All this is saying is that God is Spirit, and has no need of reproduction, while the flesh does. It is an abominatin, yet necessary for reproduction. It may even be called a commandment since God told man to go and fill the world. Come the Kinggdom we too will be as is our Father, Spirit. There will be no giving and taking of wives for we will all live forever. Now these teachings are according to Jesus Christ.
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If they have ONE leader, they are not following the will of God. God NEVER intended one person to lead anything.
1. He sent out in twos
2. He placed multiple men in charge at jerusalem (john james and peter)
3. Paul understood this as he refused to go on any trip unless he had a fellow partaker of the gospel with him.
There are reasons. We need checks and balances, a man, no matter how mature he is in Christ, Can get proud, and try to add his beliefs to the truth, if that man is not tested and held accountable by another person equally in charge, then we have no checks and balances, and no one to stop the new doctrine, which is not from God, from being imposed on that church.
This is what happened with the catholic church. The pople is seen as God, thus no matter what he says, everyone take him at his word that it is from God.
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why would he be saying that, at the time Mary conceived, her and Joseph were not married, so if they had sex, it was fornication.
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lololol. Keep thinking this.
ps, I am not a protestant, I deny the roman catholic church, I do not protest it. In order to protest it, I would have to consider it a church.
The clergy and Bishops are the checks and balances. You may see the pope as God. I don't