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iConflicted

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Genesis 1:27 describes humans being created in God's image, male and female. "So God created humans in his image. In the image of God he created them. He created them male and female."

Goes on to say:
Genesis 2:21,22 "So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”

I've never taken Lilith seriously as she's not named in Scripture but it seems a lot of people, Christian and not, accept Lilith as Adam's first wife.
Thoughts?
 
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Alextor

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I would hope that few people on CC know the name Lilith. There are so many myths concerning this name. Adams only wife was Eve.
 
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KennethC

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iConflicted said:
Genesis 1:27 describes humans being created in God's image, male and female. "So God created humans in his image. In the image of God he created them. He created them male and female."

Goes on to say:
Genesis 2:21,22 "So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”

I've never taken Lilith seriously as she's not named in Scripture but it seems a lot of people, Christian and not, accept Lilith as Adam's first wife.
Thoughts?
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Those passages have been twisted to try and make two creation stories, or as you have said giving Adam two wives...

However the proper way to look at this is that Genesis 1 is the quick short version of the creation story, and then in Genesis 2 it goes into detail of the creating of Adam and Eve. It is the same story given in a summary and then again in detail.
 
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Ah, man, these mixed--up marital in-laws and ex-laws marriages.......
 
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iConflicted

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KennethC said:
Those passages have been twisted to try and make two creation stories, or as you have said giving Adam two wives...

However the proper way to look at this is that Genesis 1 is the quick short version of the creation story, and then in Genesis 2 it goes into detail of the creating of Adam and Eve. It is the same story given in a summary and then again in detail.
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Are all early Jewish writings tossed aside in leu of the Bible? I'm really trying to take Scriptute at face value.. As literal. But considering that we can't exactly prove what was considered inspired and what was not, it leads to some confusion.
I believe that some books were left out of present day Scripture, at least one Book is quoted in Scripture and on same token quotes Scripture, lending some credence to it being also inspired.
I find it a bit shady that a collection of men decided which books we'd be permitted to study and reflect on.I believe these were the original Catholics? I've seen where Catholicism has led humanity and its a little sad that we rely so heavily on what's handed us.
Being accepted in Jewish tradition and religion can't always make it against Christianity or its base principles.
It seems sometimes that we as gentiles picked and chose which we felt benfited us. As some claim Jews did in Babylon during captivity..creating their own version of God to benefit them.
Not saying I believe this, just using as a reference.
I'm aware that two witnesses are required in religious claims but...
Without dismissing it as blasphemy and a twisting of Scripture, could we, at least possibly be reading only a portion of inspired Scripture?
We know Satan's deceit goes back to Eden so I haven't a doubt that something has been suppressed in regards to the Bible.

(Please be gentle. I'm a prodigal daughter searching Scriptures to answer questions that led me away from my Father. Pray for my understanding please).
 
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iConflicted

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A time lapse is also said to have occurred between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
How can we know it did not?
Not being difficult. Really.
 
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Hungry

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I don't think that Genesis was supposed to be understood as a historical account. I believe there is a great deal of truth in it. To me at least, it just seems incomplete. I don't believe the Lilith story though. If that was true I'm sure it would have been referenced more in the New Testament.
 
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iConflicted

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Its one of those questions that get asked of Christians and I think we're often stumped and any advance towards the asker's salvation is lost for a time. I'd just like to have an answer other than 'she's not real.' Yes. God's creation was perfect as was man to begin with. If a serpent can cause a perfect work of God to become corrupt, why couldn't it have happened twice? Both Solomon and Jesus say, not verbatim, "what is already was' and 'as in the days of Noah..."
Is there anywhere that one can find a bible before the Nicene Council got involved? I want to read what was inspired. Not what men decided to allow included.

I should just turn my focus to the book of Daniel. He's always fun to interpret. (Insert sarcasm) :)
 
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iConflicted

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Hungry said:
I don't think that Genesis was supposed to be understood as a historical account. I believe there is a great deal of truth in it. To me at least, it just seems incomplete. I don't believe the Lilith story though. If that was true I'm sure it would have been referenced more in the New Testament.
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The book of Enoch was cut from the bible but is quoted in Jude. Enoch also quotes Scripture. Enoch 2:1-2
There are more instances where they quote each other.
How can we know what was supposed to be included? How can we know people weren't removed from Scripture to suit a prettier religion?
The Catholics have a different bible with books I've never even heard of before this year... So Lilith isn't a possibility because she's not mentioned in NT...
I'm inclined to think Satan took many a stabs at God's handiwork in the Garden.
 
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Tintin

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I don't know of any Christians who believe in Lilith. She's part of Jewish mysticism and has no place in the Bible, that is, God's Word.
 
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KennethC

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iConflicted said:
Are all early Jewish writings tossed aside in leu of the Bible? I'm really trying to take Scriptute at face value.. As literal. But considering that we can't exactly prove what was considered inspired and what was not, it leads to some confusion.
I believe that some books were left out of present day Scripture, at least one Book is quoted in Scripture and on same token quotes Scripture, lending some credence to it being also inspired.
I find it a bit shady that a collection of men decided which books we'd be permitted to study and reflect on.I believe these were the original Catholics? I've seen where Catholicism has led humanity and its a little sad that we rely so heavily on what's handed us.
Being accepted in Jewish tradition and religion can't always make it against Christianity or its base principles.
It seems sometimes that we as gentiles picked and chose which we felt benfited us. As some claim Jews did in Babylon during captivity..creating their own version of God to benefit them.
Not saying I believe this, just using as a reference.
I'm aware that two witnesses are required in religious claims but...
Without dismissing it as blasphemy and a twisting of Scripture, could we, at least possibly be reading only a portion of inspired Scripture?
We know Satan's deceit goes back to Eden so I haven't a doubt that something has been suppressed in regards to the Bible.

(Please be gentle. I'm a prodigal daughter searching Scriptures to answer questions that led me away from my Father. Pray for my understanding please).
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Yes we are reading only part of the inspired word as the bible shows in it that "the scriptures" were written by men who were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit, not the bible.

This gets me in hot water with some around here by stating that, but there are other writings out there from the 1st century earlier church that are not in the bible that was written by the Apostles and their understudies. Barnabas for one who is mentioned in Acts 4:36 has writings out there, and I have gave them to others in the past on here and they were still rejected just because they are not in the bible.

The problem I see with doing that is that the bible says the Holy Spirit is in all born again believers and will guide us in all truth, and if the other Apostles such as Peter, Paul, James, John, and Jude were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what they wrote. Wouldn't you think that all the other Apostles would also be inspired by the Holy Spirit as well? Yes they would !!!

There was not two creation stories and the other thing I have seen in studies is the mention that their was at least 4 writers who wrote the book of Genesis. Which then says that Genesis 1 is the one person's account, and 2 is from another person's account of the same event.

The thing people must realize in study is that just because a book or epistle is credited to a certain person does not absolutely mean they are the one who wrote it down. They could have just dictated it to scribe (educated person in writing).

An example of this is Romans as this epistle is credited to the Apostle Paul, but was not written personally by him;

Romans 16:22
I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.
 
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iConflicted

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KennethC said:
Yes we are reading only part of the inspired word as the bible shows in it that "the scriptures" were written by men who were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit, not the bible.

This gets me in hot water with some around here by stating that, but there are other writings out there from the 1st century earlier church that are not in the bible that was written by the Apostles and their understudies. Barnabas for one who is mentioned in Acts 4:36 has writings out there, and I have gave them to others in the past on here and they were still rejected just because they are not in the bible.

The problem I see with doing that is that the bible says the Holy Spirit is in all born again believers and will guide us in all truth, and if the other Apostles such as Peter, Paul, James, John, and Jude were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what they wrote. Wouldn't you think that all the other Apostles would also be inspired by the Holy Spirit as well? Yes they would !!!

There was not two creation stories and the other thing I have seen in studies is the mention that their was at least 4 writers who wrote the book of Genesis. Which then says that Genesis 1 is the one person's account, and 2 is from another person's account of the same event.

The thing people must realize in study is that just because a book or epistle is credited to a certain person does not absolutely mean they are the one who wrote it down. They could have just dictated it to scribe (educated person in writing).

An example of this is Romans as this epistle is credited to the Apostle Paul, but was not written personally by him;

Romans 16:22
I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.
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Makes plenty of sense thanks. Dogma Dogma Dogma! ( Jan Brady voice)
 
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KennethC

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iConflicted said:
Makes plenty of sense thanks. Dogma Dogma Dogma! ( Jan Brady voice)
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Yes it makes sense as let me pose it to you this way;

If the Holy Spirit put in your heart to write a letter, book, epistle to another; would that not have been inspired by the Holy Spirit to do that ???
 
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Shouldn't this be in the bible forum, rather than the conspiracy forum? :confused:
 
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KennethC

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blue_ladybug said:
Shouldn't this be in the bible forum, rather than the conspiracy forum? :confused:
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It fits here as well because I think the main reason she put it here was because of the conspiracy to say Adam had another wife before Eve...............Lilith
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Shouldn't this be in the bible forum, rather than the conspiracy forum? :confused:
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i don't know about that -- if we're chatting about whether the woman that myth says is Satan's wife was first married to Adam, then this might be the appropriate place.

if there is any appropriate place at all.
 
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Is there a place for something that would reek of conspiracy, false doctrine, total confusion, and such? OF course there is...it's any play that satan can work his best at causing doubt, pride, and SELF to be put in the forefront, be it online, in a church pew, in a courtroom, schoolhouse, or family home. Clear cut rules, regulations are instantly dismissed if someone wants to vent or has issues that they think need to be addressed..what else is new?
 
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iConflicted

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blue_ladybug said:
Shouldn't this be in the bible forum, rather than the conspiracy forum? :confused:
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Lilith Is said to be a myth, so a conspiracy, no? I'll check with you before next thread for proper placement :)
pwrnJC said:
Is there a place for something that would reek of conspiracy, false doctrine, total confusion, and such? OF course there is...it's any play that satan can work his best at causing doubt, pride, and SELF to be put in the forefront, be it online, in a church pew, in a courtroom, schoolhouse, or family home. Clear cut rules, regulations are instantly dismissed if someone wants to vent or has issues that they think need to be addressed..what else is new?
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If you had nothing to contribute why respond at all? I've stated elsewhere that I'm trying to get Biblical answers to questions that pulled me away from my walk with God. If you don't have an answer.. Or can't explain as stated in title, then please refrain from the nonsense. A question that seems irrelevant to your perfect relationship with God may be a stumbling block to another.
That is all.
 
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Tintin

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Hungry said:
I don't think that Genesis was supposed to be understood as a historical account. I believe there is a great deal of truth in it. To me at least, it just seems incomplete. I don't believe the Lilith story though. If that was true I'm sure it would have been referenced more in the New Testament.
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Genesis is absolutely historical. Stop listening to the evolutionists and to biblical scholars that don't even believe in the Bible they dedicate their lives too.
 
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Tintin

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KennethC said:
Yes we are reading only part of the inspired word as the bible shows in it that "the scriptures" were written by men who were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit, not the bible.

This gets me in hot water with some around here by stating that, but there are other writings out there from the 1st century earlier church that are not in the bible that was written by the Apostles and their understudies. Barnabas for one who is mentioned in Acts 4:36 has writings out there, and I have gave them to others in the past on here and they were still rejected just because they are not in the bible.

The problem I see with doing that is that the bible says the Holy Spirit is in all born again believers and will guide us in all truth, and if the other Apostles such as Peter, Paul, James, John, and Jude were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what they wrote. Wouldn't you think that all the other Apostles would also be inspired by the Holy Spirit as well? Yes they would !!!

There was not two creation stories and the other thing I have seen in studies is the mention that their was at least 4 writers who wrote the book of Genesis. Which then says that Genesis 1 is the one person's account, and 2 is from another person's account of the same event.

The thing people must realize in study is that just because a book or epistle is credited to a certain person does not absolutely mean they are the one who wrote it down. They could have just dictated it to scribe (educated person in writing).

An example of this is Romans as this epistle is credited to the Apostle Paul, but was not written personally by him;

Romans 16:22
I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.
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Genesis has at least 9 toledoths:

Toledoth, Author, Details...

[TABLE="class: css_style"]
[TR]
[TD](1) Genesis 1:1 to 2:3[/TD]
[TD] Heaven and Earth[/TD]
[TD] When created[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD] (2) Genesis 2:4b to 4:26[/TD]
[TD] Adam[/TD]
[TD] Creation of humans; (place of blessing)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] (3) Genesis 5:3 to 6:8[/TD]
[TD] Noah[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD] (4) Genesis 6:9b to 9:29[/TD]
[TD] Noah’s sons[/TD]
[TD] They had sons after the Deluge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] (5) Genesis 10:2 to 11:9[/TD]
[TD] Shem[/TD]
[TD] Shem 100, father of Arphaxad[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD] (6) Genesis 11:11 to 11:26[/TD]
[TD] Terah[/TD]
[TD] Terah had three sons in Ur of the Chaldeans; Haran died[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] (7) Genesis 11:29 to 25:18[/TD]
[TD] Isaac including Ishmael[/TD]
[TD] Isaac 40, married Rebekah[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD] (8) Genesis 25:21 to 36:43[/TD]
[TD] Jacob including Esau[/TD]
[TD] Jacob still in Canaan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] (9) Genesis 37:2b to 50:26[/TD]
[TD] ?Sons of Israel[/TD]
[TD] Joseph dies and is buried [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Table 2. The toledoth-divided passages in Genesis with toledoth names and details.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

From CMI:
Who Wrote Genesis? Are the Toledoth Colophons? - creation.com
 
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