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I don't post very much in here....but most people in a problem that has reached a dead end where all their own endeavors are useless want a quick fix
It's like "the dog tore up the flower bed again"
instead of training the dog and playing with the dog and taking the dog for walks they wanna hear
"take it to the pound and we'll get a new puppy later"
and this is often on repeat cycle
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actually...we should make a list of excuses then it can be posted when needed
will make for very short threads though unless some people wander over from the Bible arguement section (I should talk; I'm a frequent flyer there) and post everything about the law with the exception of what Jesus said about love
will make for very short threads though unless some people wander over from the Bible arguement section (I should talk; I'm a frequent flyer there) and post everything about the law with the exception of what Jesus said about love
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Hello atwhatcost,
it's Practice,
I've read your Thread and I'll comment on it
by telling that yeah me too
I'm wondering why people gone after that.
We don't have any controls of them so ''it's the life''
in Quebec it would mean : Cela fait partie de la vie.
For me, and my age I prefer to keep myself
away from men in sense of to not flirt or something like that...
I know that God will help me to stay single.
it's Practice,
I've read your Thread and I'll comment on it
by telling that yeah me too
I'm wondering why people gone after that.
We don't have any controls of them so ''it's the life''
in Quebec it would mean : Cela fait partie de la vie.
For me, and my age I prefer to keep myself
away from men in sense of to not flirt or something like that...
I know that God will help me to stay single.
i can't understand why you would feel used.
i've been here awhile, and seen a lot of folks come here in crisis. often, they have no church or christian support system, but they have enough of a christian background that they are inclined to seek views or support that are consistent with "christian". or maybe they are too embarrassed to go to their church for help. seriously, i could think of several possible scenarios.
and then, in their pain and hurt, or loneliness, or whatever emotional condition that is appropriate, the pour their hearts out.
by the time i find the thread/post, i read it. i determine whether i think i can add something to the post. sometimes i have an answer, but lack the emotional heart for it. other times, i read, but come back later.
usually in those problem threads, i will pray and post. or post and pray.
but make no mistake, we're not forced to do that. i look at most of those as an opportunity to serve others and be a blessing in someone's life. i think that it's always NICE to get some feedback, but more often, i know i'm just a tiny piece of God's plan in that person's life. : )
i've been here awhile, and seen a lot of folks come here in crisis. often, they have no church or christian support system, but they have enough of a christian background that they are inclined to seek views or support that are consistent with "christian". or maybe they are too embarrassed to go to their church for help. seriously, i could think of several possible scenarios.
and then, in their pain and hurt, or loneliness, or whatever emotional condition that is appropriate, the pour their hearts out.
by the time i find the thread/post, i read it. i determine whether i think i can add something to the post. sometimes i have an answer, but lack the emotional heart for it. other times, i read, but come back later.
usually in those problem threads, i will pray and post. or post and pray.
but make no mistake, we're not forced to do that. i look at most of those as an opportunity to serve others and be a blessing in someone's life. i think that it's always NICE to get some feedback, but more often, i know i'm just a tiny piece of God's plan in that person's life. : )
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Let's put that word "support" into a metaphor. A few years ago, I had something, (forget the medical word for it), like a tear in a ligament on the arch of my foot. I literally couldn't walk on that foot for the first couple of steps, and even after that, it hurt, but a cane helped me walk. The cane was my support.
One of three things could happen after that:
1. It healed on its own.
2. A doctor could inject something that might or might not fix it.
3. I live like that for the rest of my life.
I got the easy option. It healed on its own, but the cane really helped it heal.
So, we're the cane. Do you really think we're "support" if someone comes in, uses us once, and then drops us and walks away? Even if we are used like that, do you really consider that support? I don't. I feel used. And, the person got nothing out of using me but brief satisfaction.
One of three things could happen after that:
1. It healed on its own.
2. A doctor could inject something that might or might not fix it.
3. I live like that for the rest of my life.
I got the easy option. It healed on its own, but the cane really helped it heal.
So, we're the cane. Do you really think we're "support" if someone comes in, uses us once, and then drops us and walks away? Even if we are used like that, do you really consider that support? I don't. I feel used. And, the person got nothing out of using me but brief satisfaction.
i have to admit, i am so glad i didn't read the body of posts in this thread earlier, the "likes", and this mutually eager way of talking about all these people who are whining and complaining, miserable because they don't get their answers...
i hope no one takes offense to this, but this kind of discussion is what makes me loathe christians.
it's like we all whine and complain that people don't behave like mature christians, managing their lives and relationships in the "christian way", making fun of their lack of good choices.
gee, has anyone stopped to question exactly WHY anyone would come here with lots of problems and hurts, and need advice? could it be because they need Christ? because they don't know what the "christian life" looks like and need guidance?
we are CALLED to show love and extra grace to those new in the faith. to those who (appear to) desire to do right but lack the depth of faith and season to behave as more seasoned christians.
guess what folks??? you all may be very godly people who are leading healthy lives indicative of wonderfully rich moral fiber. but i've read some of the posts by some "you" and i've seen indications of lack of maturity, lack of spiritual discernment, lack of good fruit, or any number of qualities that smell "funky" to me.
and that's because none of us can handle the scrutiny of our standard. we are all working towards godliness, and none of us get a certificate in the mail from Jesus that tells us we're done with the perfecting part. not until we're "done" we will be done. and i think it's important we don't forget that. ever.
a wise man said that maybe it's time we viewed the church a bit more like a hospital for the sick instead of a museum for those christians eager to show off their 'trophies'.
maybe we'd do better viewing cc a little more like that ourselves. and maybe even think of ourselves as the ones who are in as much need of care, growth and help as the ones who come here and cry out for some help rather than stand around and congratulate ourselves for caring for those and complaining when they don't behave.
maybe, just maybe, we should be honored to do something, help another, be a blessing to another, because that is our charter and calling. it is our blessing, our HONOR to represent our Heavenly Father. not a chore that we should revile.
imagine what would happen if God treated us that way -- complained at us, withheld from us when we didn't come back as often as we should after we ask Him for "help".
just a thought. and by the way, i'm not attacking the OP, or anyone. just incredibly discouraged by the abundance of people who seem to think they have it altogether enough to congregate for the purpose of talking about the whiners and needy.
honestly, i'd rather deal with a 100 people who are aware they need not only God, but mercy, and latitude because they're imperfect, and aren't so proud that they can call out to God in their brokenness than only one christian who thinks they are so "godly" that they can feel entitled to engage in attacking the whiners and other broken people. because the one who knows they're broken and imperfect is open and searching.
the proud ones have their ears closed and no matter how many times they offend and insult others, they don't really seem to care how their hypocrisy, anger and pride is damaging to us and the cause we are to be united in.
Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.[SUP]d[/SUP] The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
james 4:5-12
i hope no one takes offense to this, but this kind of discussion is what makes me loathe christians.
it's like we all whine and complain that people don't behave like mature christians, managing their lives and relationships in the "christian way", making fun of their lack of good choices.
gee, has anyone stopped to question exactly WHY anyone would come here with lots of problems and hurts, and need advice? could it be because they need Christ? because they don't know what the "christian life" looks like and need guidance?
we are CALLED to show love and extra grace to those new in the faith. to those who (appear to) desire to do right but lack the depth of faith and season to behave as more seasoned christians.
guess what folks??? you all may be very godly people who are leading healthy lives indicative of wonderfully rich moral fiber. but i've read some of the posts by some "you" and i've seen indications of lack of maturity, lack of spiritual discernment, lack of good fruit, or any number of qualities that smell "funky" to me.
and that's because none of us can handle the scrutiny of our standard. we are all working towards godliness, and none of us get a certificate in the mail from Jesus that tells us we're done with the perfecting part. not until we're "done" we will be done. and i think it's important we don't forget that. ever.
a wise man said that maybe it's time we viewed the church a bit more like a hospital for the sick instead of a museum for those christians eager to show off their 'trophies'.
maybe we'd do better viewing cc a little more like that ourselves. and maybe even think of ourselves as the ones who are in as much need of care, growth and help as the ones who come here and cry out for some help rather than stand around and congratulate ourselves for caring for those and complaining when they don't behave.
maybe, just maybe, we should be honored to do something, help another, be a blessing to another, because that is our charter and calling. it is our blessing, our HONOR to represent our Heavenly Father. not a chore that we should revile.
imagine what would happen if God treated us that way -- complained at us, withheld from us when we didn't come back as often as we should after we ask Him for "help".
just a thought. and by the way, i'm not attacking the OP, or anyone. just incredibly discouraged by the abundance of people who seem to think they have it altogether enough to congregate for the purpose of talking about the whiners and needy.
honestly, i'd rather deal with a 100 people who are aware they need not only God, but mercy, and latitude because they're imperfect, and aren't so proud that they can call out to God in their brokenness than only one christian who thinks they are so "godly" that they can feel entitled to engage in attacking the whiners and other broken people. because the one who knows they're broken and imperfect is open and searching.
the proud ones have their ears closed and no matter how many times they offend and insult others, they don't really seem to care how their hypocrisy, anger and pride is damaging to us and the cause we are to be united in.
Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.[SUP]d[/SUP] The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
james 4:5-12
i am going apologize first, because i know this is all going to sound really harsh. and frankly, i didn't get enough sleep to post the 42366243 verses that are crashing into my head right now (maybe someone else will and help me) but my gut response to this is:
do you think that Jesus feels used by you?
because you were born already a "goner" because you inherited sin nature. it was because of God's love for you and me that He sent His son to die an agonizing death in obedience, after living a sinless life, all for us. and further, in His desire to cultivate a personal relationship with us, He left us with a Helper so that we would never be alone.
the answer for me? no, i may get impatient, frustrated, or disappointed by others who need help but make it hard for me to share it. but if there is one thing i WON'T feel, it is used. i'm sorry to say, but it really is that simple for me. there's a lot of stuff that i screw up, miss opportunities and completely blow. but every single day, about a twice a day i pray that God will use me to be a blessing for others. i know that it's what i'm partly here for: to serve, to love, to bear one another's burdens, and to grow more Christlike. this is yours and my calling as a Christian.
can we spend all our time only serving? of course not, we'd be all burned out and have nothing left to give. but that is why we have to discern when we need to share, give, serve, and when we need rest, fellowship or those things that give back to us as well.
i really wish i could tell you that i understand how you feel. but i don't. i've never viewed cc as a place for me to be "fed" and "nurtured" as much as a place where i thought i would serve others and be served as well. some of that time i spend serving are in those moments (or hours!!!) writing long posts and pouring my heart out, crying a little, even agonizing over someone's awful situation, even knowing that i might never hear from them again.
the fact is, part of my obedience in faith is knowing that my part might only be one tiny piece, a planting of a seed. a show of love where nothing but intolerance was shown. my piece or seed can be used by God and grown far beyond that. if i am really doing this for God, it means that i can accept the fact that i don't get to always know the outcome. so when someone comes to heart, or i visit back a thread where no update was, i sometimes will quietly pray, wonder or just be hopeful. i wish it was different. but what else can i do?
do you think that Jesus feels used by you?
because you were born already a "goner" because you inherited sin nature. it was because of God's love for you and me that He sent His son to die an agonizing death in obedience, after living a sinless life, all for us. and further, in His desire to cultivate a personal relationship with us, He left us with a Helper so that we would never be alone.
the answer for me? no, i may get impatient, frustrated, or disappointed by others who need help but make it hard for me to share it. but if there is one thing i WON'T feel, it is used. i'm sorry to say, but it really is that simple for me. there's a lot of stuff that i screw up, miss opportunities and completely blow. but every single day, about a twice a day i pray that God will use me to be a blessing for others. i know that it's what i'm partly here for: to serve, to love, to bear one another's burdens, and to grow more Christlike. this is yours and my calling as a Christian.
can we spend all our time only serving? of course not, we'd be all burned out and have nothing left to give. but that is why we have to discern when we need to share, give, serve, and when we need rest, fellowship or those things that give back to us as well.
i really wish i could tell you that i understand how you feel. but i don't. i've never viewed cc as a place for me to be "fed" and "nurtured" as much as a place where i thought i would serve others and be served as well. some of that time i spend serving are in those moments (or hours!!!) writing long posts and pouring my heart out, crying a little, even agonizing over someone's awful situation, even knowing that i might never hear from them again.
the fact is, part of my obedience in faith is knowing that my part might only be one tiny piece, a planting of a seed. a show of love where nothing but intolerance was shown. my piece or seed can be used by God and grown far beyond that. if i am really doing this for God, it means that i can accept the fact that i don't get to always know the outcome. so when someone comes to heart, or i visit back a thread where no update was, i sometimes will quietly pray, wonder or just be hopeful. i wish it was different. but what else can i do?
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BTW. I've read your post twice now. Last night and this morning. Last night it was funny. Now that I have Funkytown doing a loop in my head, it's not quite as funny. I much prefer King Tut getting stuck in my head, but I can't dictate what song loops, unless I start singing Oscar Mayer jingles. Then those get stuck in my head for weeks. lol