Grace: A License to Sin (FALSE!)

[Jason0047]

I mean, when I read statements that I do not have to forgive and yet not be forgiven, then it gives me the wrong impression that one can sin and still be saved (by hearing such a message). Then when you say here that this is not the case, then it sounds like you are contradicting yourself. One either thinks they can sin and still be saved or one does not think they can sin and still be saved. It's either one or the other. But there are many people here who have voted in one my threads that says that they can abide in unrepentant sin (like lying, lusting, and hating) and then die and still be saved.

They believe this because all future sin is forgiven them. This is a license to sin; And it is wrong.

 

[senzi]

It is a hard concept for many to understand, but in knowing your rightstanding before God does not hinge on your personal goodness but Christ, you will live a far more holy life

 

[Jason0047]

For everyone who does believe in all forms of OSAS do not believe they can stop sinning those types of sins that lead unto death. They believe they will forever be a slave to their sin. But Jesus said, if you sin, you are a slave to sin. Jesus said this to the Pharisees and it was not a compliment or some kind expression of sympathy for their situation. Paul says, sin shall not have dominion over you. But if you believe you will always sin, then sin indeed will have dominion over you. For Romans 6 gives a person the option of being either:

(a) A slave to sin (or)
(b) A slave to righteousness.​

You cannot do both at the same time and think you are serving God.

Anyways, when someone says they will always sin and cannot help themselves then they are making an excuse to sin (When the Bible teaches us that they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts). It is their "out" or "excuse" to sin because.... "hey, there is none righteous" correct? So why bother to be entirely holy. You can just generally live for God and yet also have some of your favorite sins, too. But the Scriptures say, without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. So which is it? Does one have holiness or does one have unrighteousness? Choose this day whom ye will serve. Make your paths straight before the Lord.

 

[mailmandan]

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[Jason0047]

It is a hard concept for many to understand, but in knowing your rightstanding before God does not hinge on your personal goodness but Christ, you will live a far more holy life

Hebrews 5:9 says that Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him.

Anyways, we know that Antinomianism (OSAS, Once Saved Always Saved or Eternal Security) in many cases tends to lead people into being enslaved to their sin and not set free from it. How so? Just check out these testimonies below.

Audio Testimonies of Ex-Eternal Security Proponents:
Christian Testimonies | Former Eternal Security Proponents

Suicide & Antinomianism:
A tragic story of an OSAS believer.

A Pastor's Testimony on Antinomianism:
A testimony about OSAS by a Pastor's wife.

Hooked on Sin & Antinomianism:
Out Of Darkness | NO Eternal Security | Christian Testimony

Poster Child of Eternal Security Who turned out to be a Mass Murderer
GEORGE SODINI

 

[Jason0047]

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But that is saddenly not what we see happen, though. We have people claim they will never be able to stop sinning. That is making an excuse some time in the future to sin because you believe you are not righteous or you have a fallen nature. Most in OSAS believe they sin in the flesh, but yet their sins are forgiven them in the spirit. So nobody in the OSAS camp believes in sinless perfectionism. However, denying that you cannot stop sinning is indeed saying that you have a license to sin. For if an alcoholic said he will forever be an alcoholic even though he tries to stop, he is guilty because he does not really believe he can stop. His efforts of saying that he does try to stop are hindered because he has already defeated himself by saying he can't stop. The same would hold true for a murderer, a thief, or an idolater.

Anyways, check out Post #25 and listen to some of the testimonies of those who did the wrong thing because of OSAS.

 

[Willie-T]

But that is saddenly not what we see happen, though. We have people claim they will never be able to stop sinning. That is making an excuse some time in the future to sin because you believe you are not righteous or you have a fallen nature. For nobody in the OSAS camp believes in sinless perfectionism. This is a license to sin. For if an alcoholic said he will forever be an alcoholic even though he tries to stop, he is guilty because he does not really believe he can stop. The same would hold true for a murderer, a thief, or an idolater.

Anyways, check out Post #25 and listen to some of the testimonies of those who did the wrong thing because of OSAS.

A frank question:

Are you willing to die for Eternity, one moment after the next time you sin? I didn't think so. Need some more time to make yourself "perfect?" OK.... how about Eternal death right after the first sin you commit following your 60th birthday?

Hummm.... What's your problem here?

 

[Jason0047]

See, that is what is deceptive about that picture. It says..... "lifestyle of sin." How many sins did it take for Adam to commit in order for all of mankind to fall into sin and death? That's right. Just one. So..... just one unrepentant sin can separate you from God. That is all it takes. Yes, God is merciful and he can forgive us many many times. But we must never think that we will always sin. That defeats the purpose in being holy in the first place. For it does not matter if you generally live a holy life and yet believe you can sin on occasion (Those types of sins that you like to do). It just does not work like that. Believers are called to crucify the affections and lusts. Believers are to suffer in the flesh so as to cease from sin. For sin shall not have dominion over you.

 

[Jason0047]

A frank question:

Are you willing to die for Eternity, one moment after the next time you sin? I didn't think so. Need some more time to make yourself "perfect?" OK.... how about Eternal death right after the first sin you commit following your 60th birthday?

Hummm.... What's your problem here?

It's a choice of what you say you are going to do in the future. It's giving into the wrong thing instead of the right thing. For if you believe you will always sin, then you are making excuses to do just that. Do you say you will forever be enslaved to it (Which is un-Biblical) and whereby you make room for sin to always be in your life (Whereby one can serve God and the devil) or do you say that sin shall not have dominion over you because you trust Jesus will one day conquer sin in your life (Which is Biblical)? One is by faith and the other is not. One leads to holiness and the other does not. One leads to God and the other does not.

For if there was a way you could stop sinning, wouldn't you jump at the chance at wanting to do that so as to please your Lord? So then why not hear those believers out on those verses and consider what they have to say in prayer.

 

[mwc68]

But that is saddenly not what we see happen, though. We have people claim they will never be able to stop sinning. That is making an excuse some time in the future to sin because you believe you are not righteous or you have a fallen nature. Most in OSAS believe they sin in the flesh, but yet their sins are forgiven them in the spirit. So nobody in the OSAS camp believes in sinless perfectionism. However, denying that you cannot stop sinning is indeed saying that you have a license to sin. For if an alcoholic said he will forever be an alcoholic even though he tries to stop, he is guilty because he does not really believe he can stop. His efforts of saying that he does try to stop are hindered because he has already defeated himself by saying he can't stop. The same would hold true for a murderer, a thief, or an idolater.

Anyways, check out Post #25 and listen to some of the testimonies of those who did the wrong thing because of OSAS.

Alcoholics are alcoholics the rest of their lives. Recovering ones choose not to drink! Alcoholism is a medically recognised disease.

 

[skylove7]

Heavens sakes Jason.

Mailmandan posted a simple poster and you have to write a novel about it rollseyes

 

[senzi]

Hebrews 5:9 says that Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him.

Anyways, we know that Antinomianism (OSAS, Once Saved Always Saved or Eternal Security) in many cases tends to lead people into being enslaved to their sin and not set free from it. How so? Just check out these testimonies below.

Audio Testimonies of Ex-Eternal Security Proponents:
Christian Testimonies | Former Eternal Security Proponents

Suicide & Antinomianism:
A tragic story of an OSAS believer.

A Pastor's Testimony on Antinomianism:
A testimony about OSAS by a Pastor's wife.

Hooked on Sin & Antinomianism:
Out Of Darkness | NO Eternal Security | Christian Testimony

Poster Child of Eternal Security Who turned out to be a Mass Murderer
GEORGE SODINI

I have found in life that those who most insist on a persons personal goodness to attain eternal life are those who fail the most to reflect what Jesus said are the higher points of the law. Justice, mercy and faithfulness, not forgetting love. They tend to believe I they clean the outside of the cup all is well

 

[Willie-T]

I have found in life that those who most insist on a persons personal goodness to attain eternal life are those who fail the most to reflect what Jesus said are the higher points of the law. Justice, mercy and faithfulness, not forgetting love. They tend to believe I they clean the outside of the cup all is well

Weren't they called, "Pharisees?"

 

[senzi]

Hebrews 5:9 says that Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him.

Anyways, we know that Antinomianism (OSAS, Once Saved Always Saved or Eternal Security) in many cases tends to lead people into being enslaved to their sin and not set free from it. How so? Just check out these testimonies below.

Audio Testimonies of Ex-Eternal Security Proponents:
Christian Testimonies | Former Eternal Security Proponents

Suicide & Antinomianism:
A tragic story of an OSAS believer.

A Pastor's Testimony on Antinomianism:
A testimony about OSAS by a Pastor's wife.

Hooked on Sin & Antinomianism:
Out Of Darkness | NO Eternal Security | Christian Testimony

Poster Child of Eternal Security Who turned out to be a Mass Murderer
GEORGE SODINI

I have found that those who most stress a persons personal goodness to attain heaven are those who fail the greatest to reflect what Christ said were the higher points of the law. Mercy, justice and faithfulness. They tend to believe if they clean the outside of the cup all will be well

 

[Jason0047]

I have found in life that those who most insist on a persons personal goodness to attain eternal life are those who fail the most to reflect what Jesus said are the higher points of the law. Justice, mercy and faithfulness, not forgetting love. They tend to believe I they clean the outside of the cup all is well

Our life experiences alone is not where we get our faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. Here are 74 verses that refute Eternal Security.

74 Verses That Refute Eternal Security.

 

[senzi]

Weren't they called, "Pharisees?"

They certainly were

 

[Jason0047]

Weren't they called, "Pharisees?"

The problem with the Pharisees is that they ignored the weightier matters of the law like justice, love, and mercy and they rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Those who reject Eternal Security and strive to live holy lives by allowing the Lord to do the good work in them are not ignoring the weightier matters of the law like justice, love, and mercy (Because they are essential things to them as believers in Jesus Christ).

However, by the way I have heard some OSAS proponents speak it gives me the impression that they can ignore at times the weightier matters of the Law like justice, love, and mercy with the thinking they are still saved. In fact, we just had a thread not too long ago that says you can not forgive others and yet still be saved.

 

[senzi]

Sorry for repeating post, I did it by accident

 

[Sirk]

Our life experiences alone is not where we get our faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. Here are 74 verses that refute Eternal Security.

74 Verses That Refute Eternal Security.

Here's a 101 bible verses that support eternal security. Heck if I woulda known this was about numbers I would have shut you down a long time ago.

SCRIPTURES PROVING ETERNAL SECURITY

 

[Jason0047]

Here's a 101 bible verses that support eternal security. Heck if I woulda known this was about numbers I would have shut you down a long time ago.

SCRIPTURES PROVING ETERNAL SECURITY

For one, I will top that list with no problem. Give me time to do so, though. Second, I will also in time try and refute each and every single one of those verses by explaining the context of those verses, too. I say this because.... OSAS is pure evil and it needs to be exposed for what it is (Which is a license for a person to sin).