So, the Father was spending hours every day looking for someone he already knew was dead, and couldn't possibly come walking down the road? This was an expression of pure gratitude that the kid had come to his senses.... NOT a statement that the boy had quit breathing, and had been lying somewhere, rotting.
Grace: A License to Sin (FALSE!)
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Slave to sin once again means they will always be controlled by sin.
A person who has given their life to Christ and is walking properly but then has backslide here or there and repented of it is not a slave to sin. Nowhere does the bible say you have to be completely sin free for a certain amount of days, weeks, or years to get salvation.
It that be the case then the thief on the cross would have never been forgiven, as he never reached sinless perfection....
I know because that was because he died after repenting, but still a backslide into a sin and then repenting/confessing it and then a day or two later die is not going to cost that person salvation being as how they never reached sinless perfection do to they still sinned a day ago.
Romans 6 is speaking on starting your walk in the faith;
You can continue to still live a sinful life that will guarantee eternal life, or you can chose life through Christ who by the Holy Spirit will mold you have control over sin. But if you do backslide and then confess it is not going to cost you salvation, and you have not reached sinless perfection in the flesh. This is what 1 John 2:1 is saying which goes along with 1 John 5:16 that if you see a brother or sister still struggling in a sin that they have repented of already it will not cost them their salvation for they do not lead to death.
K
Because I asked Jason if he sinned to day and repented of it, but then a couple hours later or the next day would he have salvation? He answered no !!!
A backslide is not going to cost a person salvation nor will a struggling believer with a sin/s cost them salvation either when they have repented.
I used 1 John 5:16 for that example because that is what is being spoke of there of sins that do not lead to death.
A brother or sister in Christ who has repented of their sin but is still continuing to struggle with it in stopping it is not going to cost them their salvation as those sins they are struggling with still will not lead to death. This passage in 1 John 5 is a complete showing that a person who has not reached sinless perfection can still be saved.
K
I do not believe it will if it comes at the very end of ones life to where they were not given the chance to repent before they die.
However if the person "continues" to commit that same sin without repenting it will not get salvation, and that is the key word in all the teachings in the bible about sin and that is continuing to do it. We must remember a person can not serve both sin and the Lord, and continuing to commit a sin without repentance is serving that sin.
This is what James 5:19-20 is speaking of, that a person who has fallen back to serving sin will not have their soul saved unless they return to the Lord. I do not believe the bible looks at a backslide and then repentance of a believer as being a slave and serving sin as Jason does. For the bible clearly says that person will still be saved when they repent !!!
However if the person "continues" to commit that same sin without repenting it will not get salvation, and that is the key word in all the teachings in the bible about sin and that is continuing to do it. We must remember a person can not serve both sin and the Lord, and continuing to commit a sin without repentance is serving that sin.
This is what James 5:19-20 is speaking of, that a person who has fallen back to serving sin will not have their soul saved unless they return to the Lord. I do not believe the bible looks at a backslide and then repentance of a believer as being a slave and serving sin as Jason does. For the bible clearly says that person will still be saved when they repent !!!
Kenneth,
I am not aware of anyone who believes in OSAS who teaches that OSAS is a license to sin. Most believers in OSAS, including myself, believe that the Holy Spirit, within us, provokes us to will and to do God's good pleasure. Phil 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV
While we are indeed called to live lifestyles of obedience; it is also true that we sometimes mess up! Like our natural parents; but moreso, God does not disown His children for making mistakes. However our mistakes are not without consequence!
That's why we are told: Heb 12:6-8
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
KJV
Believers do indeed stumble; and sometimes baclslide over extended periods of time. At such times, while we do NOT loose our salvation, we do incur the chastening of the Father. While sin, indeed, has very unpleasant consequences; loss of Salvation is not among them.
Being chastened for sin is very different from a license to sin. We who believe that when a believer sins; the sin brings dire consequences. However, He who will NEVER leave us (Heb 13:5
5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." ESV) does not disown His children for their mistakes.
I am not aware of anyone who believes in OSAS who teaches that OSAS is a license to sin. Most believers in OSAS, including myself, believe that the Holy Spirit, within us, provokes us to will and to do God's good pleasure. Phil 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV
While we are indeed called to live lifestyles of obedience; it is also true that we sometimes mess up! Like our natural parents; but moreso, God does not disown His children for making mistakes. However our mistakes are not without consequence!
That's why we are told: Heb 12:6-8
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
KJV
Believers do indeed stumble; and sometimes baclslide over extended periods of time. At such times, while we do NOT loose our salvation, we do incur the chastening of the Father. While sin, indeed, has very unpleasant consequences; loss of Salvation is not among them.
Being chastened for sin is very different from a license to sin. We who believe that when a believer sins; the sin brings dire consequences. However, He who will NEVER leave us (Heb 13:5
5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." ESV) does not disown His children for their mistakes.
K
Here we go again as I addressed that back before, and just because one may want to refuse this is going on does not mean it is not. I would humbly suggest pay more attention to see those who do speak in this manner, and then also those who take and attack others like wolves need to be shut down as well.
You have stayed decent and respectful in discussions but a handful of others from those doctrines have not toward others, and do not realize they are sinning by those attitudes they administer toward others.
Yes the Lord will chastise us when we sin because we have grieved the Holy Spirit, but the bible makes it clear that some will not accept that chastising for correction. Jesus keeps us under God's grace by showing us in His word how we are to walk in obedience, as walking in the Spirit (light) will do. If you are not being disobedient to those teachings then the bible makes it clear there is no eternal life abiding in you.
Luke 12 gives a parable about the disobedient servant, and shows the disobedient will be cast away with the unbelievers !!!
Why did they stumble? Does not stumbling suggest they are still controlled by sinful passions? Is not being controlled by sin, even a little bit mean it still has it's grip upon you? Think about how this could be used as a real world example. An alcoholic who stops drinking and is never tempted to drink again has broke the addiction or enslavement to the bottle. But if that man drinks again because he was weak, then he hlis still a slave to the bottle.
While 1 John 5:16 is talking confessed sin, it is not in reference to being a slave to sin. When you are a slave to something, it does not matter if you do that sin every once in a blue moon, or if you sin all the time. One is not a slave to something when it has absolutely no control over them anymore.
Jesus said if you sin, you are a slave to sin. Jesus was not talking about habitual sin but just sinning even one time. Paul says at the end of Romans 6 that you can be a slave to righteousness. This is only possible if Jesus is Lord over a person's life. For if one is a slave to righteousness, they cannot be a slave to sin.
