Eternal Life only Temporary??

[blye43]

**The root of all belief that Salvation can be lost(forfeited) is Self Righteousness, and Not really bad Doctrine that has been received from others.
It involves one holding to the position that there is something positive in my Fallen Nature that will enable me to hold on to my original belief system or reject it. Thus, It's all up to me for"I have Free Will"
Oh Really!! If a Totally Free Will, you do not need any Divine intervention to influence any of your choices//Desires/
decisions. It is rejecting the Biblical fact that man born of Adam has a depraved Nature incapable of making Spiritual decisions without Divine help of the Holy Spirit.
One in this position declares **I chose to believe**I can choose to not believe** It's the:"I-Me Self" syndrome that characterizes all that are actually *Dead in Trespasses & Sin" EPh 2:1
A Dead Soul cannot make Spiritual Decisions or choices (Eph 2:1) declares "He Quickens* =Makes alive
**Nothing in man/woman exists to come out of the state of being Spiritually Dead before God
Dying to Self is the only solution to seeing that Salvation is ALL OF GOD
**He Chooses and Keeps His own.
Just think about the Omniscience of God Knowing the End from the Beginning. He 1st Chooses one to be His child while fully knowing this one will reject Himself eventually?? I think Not!!!

 

[Joidevivre]

Too much to think about. I am one to live in the moment with Christ.

 

[tribesman]

**The root of all belief that Salvation can be lost(forfeited) is Self Righteousness, and Not really bad Doctrine that has been received from others.
It involves one holding to the position that there is something positive in my Fallen Nature that will enable me to hold on to my original belief system or reject it. Thus, It's all up to me for"I have Free Will"
Oh Really!! If a Totally Free Will, you do not need any Divine intervention to influence any of your choices//Desires/
decisions. It is rejecting the Biblical fact that man born of Adam has a depraved Nature incapable of making Spiritual decisions without Divine help of the Holy Spirit.
One in this position declares **I chose to believe**I can choose to not believe** It's the:"I-Me Self" syndrome that characterizes all that are actually *Dead in Trespasses & Sin" EPh 2:1
A Dead Soul cannot make Spiritual Decisions or choices (Eph 2:1) declares "He Quickens* =Makes alive
**Nothing in man/woman exists to come out of the state of being Spiritually Dead before God
Dying to Self is the only solution to seeing that Salvation is ALL OF GOD
**He Chooses and Keeps His own.
Just think about the Omniscience of God Knowing the End from the Beginning. He 1st Chooses one to be His child while fully knowing this one will reject Himself eventually?? I think Not!!!

Great post.

 

[Gr8grace]

**The root of all belief that Salvation can be lost(forfeited) is Self Righteousness, and Not really bad Doctrine that has been received from others.
It involves one holding to the position that there is something positive in my Fallen Nature that will enable me to hold on to my original belief system or reject it. Thus, It's all up to me for"I have Free Will"
Oh Really!! If a Totally Free Will, you do not need any Divine intervention to influence any of your choices//Desires/
decisions. It is rejecting the Biblical fact that man born of Adam has a depraved Nature incapable of making Spiritual decisions without Divine help of the Holy Spirit.
One in this position declares **I chose to believe**I can choose to not believe** It's the:"I-Me Self" syndrome that characterizes all that are actually *Dead in Trespasses & Sin" EPh 2:1
A Dead Soul cannot make Spiritual Decisions or choices (Eph 2:1) declares "He Quickens* =Makes alive
**Nothing in man/woman exists to come out of the state of being Spiritually Dead before God
Dying to Self is the only solution to seeing that Salvation is ALL OF GOD
**He Chooses and Keeps His own.
Just think about the Omniscience of God Knowing the End from the Beginning. He 1st Chooses one to be His child while fully knowing this one will reject Himself eventually?? I think Not!!!

Your still focused on the creature. 90% of your post is about the total depravity of the creature.

If we would put that much effort into learning about the totality of The Cross.......we would see that there was a divine intervention for the total depravity of men.

We all see the Cross from a finite point of view and really have no Idea of the infinite things that were accomplished on it.

We no longer know men in their total depravity. Christ Fixed that on the cross,the veil was ripped open. He came to us and showed Himself to all men.

 

[SeaBass]

**The root of all belief that Salvation can be lost(forfeited) is Self Righteousness, and Not really bad Doctrine that has been received from others.
It involves one holding to the position that there is something positive in my Fallen Nature that will enable me to hold on to my original belief system or reject it. Thus, It's all up to me for"I have Free Will"
Oh Really!! If a Totally Free Will, you do not need any Divine intervention to influence any of your choices//Desires/
decisions. It is rejecting the Biblical fact that man born of Adam has a depraved Nature incapable of making Spiritual decisions without Divine help of the Holy Spirit.
One in this position declares **I chose to believe**I can choose to not believe** It's the:"I-Me Self" syndrome that characterizes all that are actually *Dead in Trespasses & Sin" EPh 2:1
A Dead Soul cannot make Spiritual Decisions or choices (Eph 2:1) declares "He Quickens* =Makes alive
**Nothing in man/woman exists to come out of the state of being Spiritually Dead before God
Dying to Self is the only solution to seeing that Salvation is ALL OF GOD
**He Chooses and Keeps His own.
Just think about the Omniscience of God Knowing the End from the Beginning. He 1st Chooses one to be His child while fully knowing this one will reject Himself eventually?? I think Not!!!

Eternal life is a promise that one can forfeit. That life remains eternal, it's just that one no longer has the promise anymore. The fact salvation is conditional is a biblical fact therefore self-righteousness would have nothing to do with it. Men are not born with a depraved nature but have been given free will by God and is to use that free will to obey God in believing or disobey by not believing. God does not bear the accountability and responsibility of those who believe or not for God has given that duty, accountability and responsibility to believe to man and man cannot throw it back upon God shirking his own duty/accountability/responsibility. It's not God's duty to see that a man believes or not.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[Willie-T]

Too much to think about. I am one to live in the moment with Christ.

I agree. That OP was a lack of fundamental reasoning, and presented just a random view of nothing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this calvin vs arminian vs catholic debate is getting old.

PS.. You can have free will, and eternal salvation all at the same time.

God saves those who TRUST HIM COMPLETELY.

Someone who has TRUE FAITH IN GOD would NEVER depart from that faith, this they could or would never lose salvation, why? God will never fail them or give them a reason to no longer have faith in him as savior, leader, and teacher.

 

[VioletReigns]

I don't know about calvinism vs arminianism vs catholicism, but I got the gist of that op. I agree that self-righteousness is what lies in the heart of those who think good works and obedience to the law keeps them saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know about calvinism vs arminianism vs catholicism, but I got the gist of that op. I agree that self-righteousness is what lies in the heart of those who think good works and obedience to the law keeps them saved.

As doI.

All legalism (even all liscentiousness) comes from an "I" motivates, pride based sens of who God is and how we relate to God.

it is putting the "free will" calvanist slap in the face in the OP that took away from the truth of the op. and made it a calvin vs arminian thing, and not a real issue no matter who you follow.

 

[dcontroversal]

If eternal life is not eternal and can be forfeit then the word of God is not valid......it blows my mind how many believe that eternal mean temporary!

 

[mailmandan]

If eternal life is not eternal and can be forfeit then the word of God is not valid......it blows my mind how many believe that eternal mean temporary!

Amen! Eternal life is not temporary life. Salvation is not probation.

 

[SeaBass]

Tts 1:2 "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"
Tts 1:3 "But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;"

Paul was in HOPE of eternal life which God has PROMISED before the world began.
No verse anywhere says that God made eternal life an UNCONDITIONAL promise to anyone. This promise of eternal life was manifested/made known/revealed through the word of God, Christ's gospel word which tells us:

Jn 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
Jn 10:27,28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life;..."
Jude 1:21 "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."
1 Jn 2:24,25 " If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life."
Rom 2:7,8 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath."


Clearly God's promise of eternal life is CONDITIONAL upon (from the verses above):
Jn 3:15 one maintaining a present tense belief
Jn 10:27,28 maintaining a present tense hearing and following Christ
Jude 1:21 keeping ones self in the love of God
1 Jn 2:24,25 letting the word you heard preach remain in you
Rom 2:7 a continuance in well doing

If one quits meeting these CONDTIONS God has place upon His promise of eternal life then one forfeits the promise. Eternal life remains eternal one just no longer possesses that promise. Never did God make His promise of eternal life UNCONDITIONAL, that is, no one gains eternal life UNCONDTIONALLY and can never lose it even if he quits believing, quits hearing and following Christ, does not keep himself in the love of God, does not let the word abide in him, quits well doing.

No one gains the promise of eternal life without CONDITIONALLY meeting these conditions Christ's gospel sets forth and no one can maintain that promise if he quits meeting these conditions.

 

[Jason0047]

Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ. If you abide in Christ then you have life and if you do not abide in Christ then you do not have life (See 1 John 5:12). Paul says to examine yourselves whether you be in Christ or not unless you be reprobates (2 Corinthians 13:5).

Eternal life is not a super power. Christ is the source of eternal life because Christ alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).

 

[dcontroversal]

Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ. If you abide in Christ then you have life and if you do not abide in Christ then you do not have life (See 1 John 5:12). Paul says to examine yourselves whether you be in Christ or not unless you be reprobates (2 Corinthians 13:5).

Eternal life is not a super power. Christ is the source of eternal life because Christ alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).

Actually eternal life is to KNOW the FATHER and Jesus said if you have known me and seen me you have known and seen the FATHER! Get your facts straight!

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Who obeys Him? Believers or unbelievers? (John 3:18; Romans 10:16; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:8-10). Believers have obeyed the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel and keep His commandments and practice righteousness and not sin. In either sense, only believers obey Him. Unbelievers have not obeyed the gospel by refusing to believe the gospel and do not keep His commandments and practice sin and not righteousness. Without faith it is impossible to please God so in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so-called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to save themselves by works. Just look at the Pharisees.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen! Eternal life is not temporary life. Salvation is not probation.

Amen, and eternal life is also not called conditional life. it is not conditioned on us, it was paid for by a steep price. and people should not mock it.

 

[Utah]

Hiccup . . . .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ. If you abide in Christ then you have life and if you do not abide in Christ then you do not have life (See 1 John 5:12). Paul says to examine yourselves whether you be in Christ or not unless you be reprobates (2 Corinthians 13:5).

Eternal life is not a super power. Christ is the source of eternal life because Christ alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).

eternal life is eternal life.

one either has it or he does not.

if he has it, it is eternal in length (those are Jesus words not mine)

if he does not have it, he currently possesses eternal death (but this death can still be made alive in Christ) so he still has hope while he is alive, but he better repent before it is too late.

 

[Utah]

I'm so glad I have certain people on ignore.