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phil112

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Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

This is a puzzling directive from Christ, at least to me. Adam Clarke said some interesting things about it about it.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Verse 36. "He that hath no sword" - Bishop PEARCE supposes that the word macairan, sword, has been inserted here from what is said in ver. 38, as it is evident our Lord never intended to make any resistance, or to suffer a sword to be used on the occasion; see Matt. xxvi. 52. The word stands rather oddly in the passage: the verse, translated in the order in which it stands, is as follows: And he who hath none, let him sell his garment and buy-a sword. Now it is plain that the verb pwlhsatw, let him buy, may be referred to phran a scrip, in the former part of the verse: therefore if, according to the bishop's opinion, the word sword be omitted, the passage may be understood thus: "When I sent you out before, chap. x. 1, &c., I intended you to continue itinerants only for a few days, and to preach the Gospel only to your country-men; therefore you had but little need of a staff, purse, or scrip, as your journey was neither long, nor expensive; but now I am about to send you into all the world, to preach the Gospel to every creature; and, as ye shall be generally hated and persecuted for my sake, ye shall have need to make every prudent provision for your journey; and so necessary will it be for you to provide yourselves victuals, &c., for your passage through your inhospitable country, that, if any of you have no scrip or wallet, he should sell even his upper garment to provide one." Others, who are for retaining the word sword, think that it was a proverbial expression, intimating a time of great difficulty and danger, and that now the disciples had need to look to themselves, for his murderers were at hand. The reader will observe that these words were spoken to the disciples just before he went to the garden of Gethsemane, and that the danger was now so very near that there could be no time for any of them to go and sell his garment in order to purchase a sword to defend himself and his Master from the attack of the Jewish mob.

Judea was at this time, as we have already noticed, much infested by robbers: while our Lord was with his disciples, they were perfectly safe, being shielded by his miraculous power. Shortly they must go into every part of the land, and will need weapons to defend themselves against wild beasts, and to intimidate wicked men, who, if they found them totally defenceless, would not hesitate to make them their prey, or take away their life. However the matter may be understood, we may rest satisfied that these swords were neither to be considered as offensive weapons, nor instruments to propagate the truth. The genius and spirit of the Christian religion is equally against both. Perhaps, in this counsel of our Lord, he refers to the contention about supremacy: as if he had said, Instead of contending among yourselves about who shall be the greatest, ye have more need to unite yourselves against the common enemy, who are now at hand: this counsel was calculated to show them the necessity of union among themselves, as their enemies were both numerous and powerful.
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Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary - Luke 22
 
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Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

This is a puzzling directive from Christ, at least to me. Adam Clarke said some interesting things about it about it.

Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary - Luke 22
Very interesting. Thank you. I've always been puzzled by that, but mostly because I know I'm not a gun person. I couldn't shoot someone even in self defense, even if they were attacking my family. (I've been in that kind of situation, so I really know that about me. I have no problems with maiming an attacker, but killing is where my mind can't go. lol) I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying I know this is true about me, so I never got the need for a weapon.

That said, I do disagree with Adam Clarke (who is one of my favorite Dead Guys.) I find it intriguing that he says this happened right before Gethsemane. (I didn't remember that, so I'm glad he said that), and that they didn't have time to buy weapons then.

Well, someone had a weapon, because someone sliced off a soldier's ear that Jesus then had to put back on the guy's head, and that happened in that garden. (How do you keep doing your job -- arresting someone -- right after he pulls up your ear off the ground, sticks it back in place, and it instantaneously heals?) So, that's where I disagree with Clarke. I don't know what that means in context with what he said, but that's where I would tell him, "but," if ever given the opportunity to talk to Clarke in response to his writing.

Thanks though. That helped a little in understanding the sword thingy.
 
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The story about the Garden of Eden can be seen in the Gethsemane story. The tree of life represents Jesus, the real tree of life. Just as Adam slept Jesus found the disciples sleeping. Peter had a sword. Cherebim guarded the tree of life with a flaming sword. At the supper Satan entered Judas and he was used just as the Serpent was used by Satan in Eden. Adam and Eve were naked. A young man fled Gethsame naked. instead of being prevented from eating from the tree of life. Jesus the real tree of life was taken by sinners so that we may obtain eternal life.
 
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The story about the Garden of Eden can be seen in the Gethsemane story. The tree of life represents Jesus, the real tree of life. Just as Adam slept Jesus found the disciples sleeping. Peter had a sword. Cherebim guarded the tree of life with a flaming sword. At the supper Satan entered Judas and he was used just as the Serpent was used by Satan in Eden. Adam and Eve were naked. A young man fled Gethsame naked. instead of being prevented from eating from the tree of life. Jesus the real tree of life was taken by sinners so that we may obtain eternal life.
Those links are tenuous at best.
 

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When Jesus said buy a sword, I always thought He meant a King James Bible :rolleyes:
 

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The situation with regard to the 'need to purchase a sword' seems to me simple enough. We can be sure that Jesus already knew that Peter and one other disciple carried swords, and that they therefore had two swords. He could hardly fail to have noticed. As He then says 'two swords is enough' He was clearly not really wanting anyone to buy a sword. What He was doing was using an effective and vivid way of pointing out to them that life was about to change and that there were real dangers ahead. 'Two swords is enough' says it all. He did not really want anyone to buy a sword. It was a wake up call.
 
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When Jesus said buy a sword, I always thought He meant a King James Bible :rolleyes:
ESword?

I actually have a sword
Now what do I do with it? :p
 
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tanach

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TinTin There is no pleasing you is there? Which bits are tenuous from your point of view? Do you think it is just a coincidence that the events in both accounts are similar? There are other similarities in the Gospels that have links with
Old Testament stories. Try comparing the story details in Luke from the birth of John the baptist to the Ancestry of Jesus with the story of Abraham, Sarah and the birth of Issac to the geneology of Jacobs children in Genesis
 
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breno785 LOL Thats an old joke but a good one!!
 
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Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

This is a puzzling directive from Christ, at least to me. Adam Clarke said some interesting things about it about it.

Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary - Luke 22
It is almost impossible to get around that last paragraph. There is only one reading of Jesus' Theology and ethics... he was totally non-violent... especially in retaliatory physical vengeance.

This is tough for me because I am a man very comfortable with physical violence.
 
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Here is a really good article that helps to explain this one.

WHY DID JESUS ASK HIS DISCIPLES TO BUY A SWORD? HE SAID: "HE THAT HATH NO SWORD, LET HIM SELL HIS GARMENT, AND BUY ONE". (LUKE 22:36)


Indeed it is a very interesting statement made by the Prince of peace!


Was Jesus telling them to buy a sword for offence, self-defense, or was He meaning something else? He said earlier:


Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also... Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.


(Matthew 5:39, 40, 44)


The real battle is not with fellow humans but with the prince of demons. The apostle Paul penned down clearly these wonderful words of truth:


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)


We are to be equipped in this great warfare. In fact the entire armories we require in an earthly battle are also required in the spiritual battle. Each earthly weapon symbolizes some spiritual weapon.


Look at how the apostle relates the earthly to the spiritual:


Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;


And your feet shod with the preparation of the Gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints. (Ephesians 6:13-18)


You have the "whole armour"-breastplate, shield, helmet, sword, etc! It is not the literal weapons, but rather "the breastplate of righteousness", "the shield of faith", "the helmet of salvation", and "the sword of the Spirit"!


Jesus told each of His disciples to possess a sword. Which sword? Was it literal swords that He bid them have?


Many times we see when Jesus spoke figuratively people got Him wrong. Even the learned Nicodemus misunderstood Christ regarding being born again. When Jesus talked about the spiritual birth he took it literally.


Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? (John 3:4)


On another occasion when Jesus said that all must eat His flesh and drink His blood, the multitude took it literally and misunderstood


Him so badly that most of them never followed Christ after that! John records:


The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying,


How can this man give us his flesh to eat?... Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?... From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. (John 6:52, 60, 66)


Coming to the swords: Was Jesus talking about the literal swords to be taken? If He meant the literal swords why did He rebuke Peter for using the sword against His enemy, and why did


Jesus heal the injured man? Behold the scene.


Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. (John 18:10)


Look at the compassion of Christ even for His enemies who came to kill Him!


And he touched his ear, and healed him. (Luke 22:51)


Notice how Jesus reacted to Peter's method of protecting his


Master:


Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? (Matthew 26:52, 53)


A legion in the Roman army division was around 6,000 soldiers. "Twelve legions of angels": that is, one legion for each of them-Christ and the eleven apostles. (Judas had already joined the enemies of Christ, and was leading the other band!)


Christ did not need any earthly defense; the mighty heavenly air force was at His disposal if He wanted to. In fact we see the enemies of Jesus falling down, powerless, just before they arrested Him.


Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And


Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. (John 18:3-6)


The power of the divine Christ most likely flashed forth through


His human flesh, as it happened also on the Mount of Transfiguration where the three apostles of Jesus fell down on their faces seeing His glory (See Matthew 17:1-7).


God was giving His murderers another chance to let them know whom they were about the handle and crucify!


Before telling His disciples about the fierce battle ahead in


Gethsemane and Calvary, Jesus cautioned Peter about the attack of the devil on him.


And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. (Luke 22:31-34)


Peter and the rest had no idea as to what exactly Christ spoke.


They had so many preconceived opinions about the future.


Peter truly loved the Lord. We can see it when he took the sword to defend his Master! But he trusted his own strength and wisdom. Therefore he finally denied his dearly beloved Lord. When he realized what he had done he wept bitterly!


And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.


And Peter went out, and wept bitterly. (Luke 22:61, 62)


Peter and the rest failed during the crucial hour of test and temptation because they did not understand the Word of God! They did not put on the whole armor of God, but rather had the physical armor!


Which sword did Christ mean? Obviously He did not mean the literal sword as he rebuked Peter for using it. The Scripture reveals the true sword.


The sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.


(Ephesians 6:17)


Revelation talks about the sword that Christ will use, as His weapon, to defeat His enemies finally:


And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations. (Revelation 19:15)


The sword that comes from His mouth is His Word!


Even in the wilderness when He was battling it out with the devil Christ used the "sword"-the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God. For all the three fierce temptations that Satan assailed


Him with, the weapon of Jesus was the Word of God-"It is written"!


(See Matthew 4:1-11)


Christ was asking them to get ready for the fiercest battle that was just ahead of them. He was asking them to get equipped.


After telling the disciples to get prepared for the battle, Christ showed them as to what He meant, by taking them to the Garden of Gethsemane, for a powerful season of prayer, and the battle with the forces of darkness.


Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called


Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. (Matthew 26:36-38)


Instead of watching and praying, the disciples were overtaken with sleep. Jesus battles it alone! And He comes to check how the disciples are fairing in their battle, and, lo, they are already knocked out!


And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. (Matthew 26:40, 41)


Peter had a sword, but the wrong sword! What he was told to have was the spiritual sword to fight the battle in the Garden of great temptation. They were to "watch and pray" to escape temptation.


But they slept, and therefore Peter fell into temptation, and to the enemies' trap. And to make up for the spiritual sword, he wielded his literal sword!


ONE MIGHT SAY: Jesus said that the two swords which they had were "enough". Therefore it is obvious that He was referring to the literal swords!


And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. (Luke 22:38)


Please note, Jesus did not say "the two swords were enough", but said, "It is enough". If Jesus meant about the literal swords, how could two swords be enough for twelve people if they were going to war? And if Jesus meant just two swords were enough then He would be contradicting His own words earlier, where He told all of them should have a sword each! He said earlier:


He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. (Luke 22:36)


Therefore, "It is enough", means, to wind up this conversation, as it was also time up to go and start praying! And the next thing they did was to march to the site of spiritual warfare.


And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. (Luke 22:38, 39)


Also Christ wanted to end that conversation, as they were not in a position to understand what He was saying. Jesus told them earlier:


I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth. (John 16:12, 13)


They were not to have the two swords, but the two-edged sword!


For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword. (Hebrews 4:12)


This is the powerful weapon that Jesus wields against His enemies.


These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges. (Revelation 2:12)


ONE MIGHT AGAIN SAY: If Christ meant the spiritual sword why did He say to "buy" a sword? He said:


He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. (Luke 22:36)


Well, this method of speaking spiritual things in a literal way was not new. Jesus used the illustration of selling something to buy another thing even in His parables.


Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. (Matthew 13:44)


To get something spiritual we have to "sell" or give up the things that are an obstacle to its possession. It is only when we give up our selfish ambitions and motives we will be able the "buy" or receive the heavenly gift. Though spiritual things are free we are to "buy" it,


as the Gospel prophet, Isaiah, too, penned down the invitation of


God regarding "buying" things for free!


Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.


(Isaiah 55:1)


Jesus told Peter just before the temptation in the Garden to strength his brethren later when he got converted. And when the apostle got converted he admonished God's people to give much attention to the sword, which he lacked-the Word of God. He wrote:


We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. (2 Peter 1:19)


Are we carrying the sword everyday? We need to! But not the literal sword that Peter once carried, but:


The sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. (Ephesians 6:17)


For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)​



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WHY did Jesus ask His disciples to BUY A SWORD? He said: “he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one”. (Luke 22:36)
 
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EdisonTrent

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Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Then said he unto them, but now he that has money, let him take it, and likewise his bag, and he that has no armor, let him sell his clothes, and buy armor
 
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Jesus primarly spoke in spiritual terms; Hence, why people always misunderstood him. The same problem exists today.
 
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flob

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post 6 is accurate, that the Lord spoke normally. Freely using figures when and, I don't know what to call them, aphorisms or idioms or simply intelligent figures, when He wanted to. So I don't believe it's as 'profound' as post 13 delves.
(Though, in itself, post 13 does thoroughly look at all the verses with the same words, and I appreciate it's comparison and helpful learning.) Post 12 is heartfelt, I feel, honest, I appreciate it, from a Peter or John
 
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phil112

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Perfect example of how and why you put people off Jason.
How many people do you think actually took time to read even half, much less all, of that post?
You have the ability to communicate, we all do, why don't you use it?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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This is a puzzling directive from Christ, at least to me. Adam Clarke said some interesting things about it about it.
"Interesting" from the pacifist crowd's perspective, I suppose.

Clarke and this Bishop Pearce he often quotes, who wrote another commentary, have no really linguistic basis, from what I've read, to suppose Christ didn't actually use the word macaira (machaira) -- not "macairan" as Clarke inaccurately renders the transliteration -- in Luke 22:36. In fact, as Jesus knew that now was the time when He would be threatened and later killed and His followers would be threatened as well, He was giving approval of the fact that one has the right to self-defense.

Many have tried to use this trick to turn Jesus into a pacifist. I'm not saying that's what you're doing at all Phil, but I've seen this interpretation before, and it doesn't wash, lexically or exegetically.
 
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Here is a really good article that helps to explain this one.

WHY DID JESUS ASK HIS DISCIPLES TO BUY A SWORD? HE SAID: "HE THAT HATH NO SWORD, LET HIM SELL HIS GARMENT, AND BUY ONE". (LUKE 22:36)
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Wow! I've seen people try to make Hocus Pocus out of Scripture before, but this guy elevates it to an art form.​
 
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Jesus did say that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword ;) I have quite a few swords...the kind that shoot high velocity rounds...........