Do you know why you are a protestant???

[VCO]

GuessWho, Mary is dead and in the grave. She does not have Omnipresence and she does not have Omniscient and she does not have Omnipotent.

So how can Mary hear and answer our prayers?

In order for Mary to hear our prayers and Intercede for us she MUST HAVE Omnipotent,Omniscient, and Omnipresence!

Which then makes her a God!

This is what the Catholic Church has done is elevate Mary up to being equal to God. Praying to Mary and asking her to intercede for you is Idolatry. All those who practice Idolatry will NEVER enter into Heaven.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]IDOLATRY, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Every time you ask Mary to intercede for you will keep you from entering into Heaven. Is it worth spending Eternity in Hell just because the Catholic Church says you can ask Mary to Intercede for you?

Ken, one more thought, how many sins will the worst sinner go to HELL FOR?

ONLY ONE, and that includes Adolf Hitler. THAT SIN IS BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT. That literally is rejecting or blaspheming HIS efforts to get you to believe to the point of Receiving Jesus Christ as LORD, which means submit to HIM as MASTER.

Mark 3:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

 

[VCO]

Uh, this shouldn't even be up for a debate. Most people know that contacting the dead is evil and wrong. Ouja boards are generally thought of as Satanic; And guess what. They are because the general premise is contacting the dead (Which people know to be wrong). For it has always has been wrong and it always will be wrong. Why? Because the Lord is the only one who is our Mediator. Praying to someone else besides God is making them on the level as a God whereby they can answer millions of prayers. It is just not possible. A created being cannot answer millions of prayers. It's evil if someone prays to the dead. It is Satanic and it has nothing to do with God whatsoever.

Like I said Jason, those Jack Chick comic books are the BIGGEST Evil that I have known to CREEP into the Church. How do I know, I saw the EVIL FRUIT THEY PRODUCE. When I was a Volunteer Prison Chaplain at Pelican Bay State Prison in CA, I had two inmates almost go to WAR, over one of those EVIL Chick Tract comic books. I actually had to step between them, keeping my finger on the alarm button attached to my belt. IMMEDIATELY after I got them settled down, out of the Chapel, and I closed the Chapel Doors; and then, I REMOVED EVERY SINGLE CHICK TRACT FROM THE CHAPEL TABLE and put them in a box in the far back corner of the Supply Room, and left them there. We passed a new rule that any inmate wanting a Chick Tract, had to ask for it in writing by TITLE.

Matthew 7:16-18 (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

I examined the FRUIT that Chick Tracts were producing and found it to be PURE EVIL.

 

[fredjames]

I believe the Our Father is an actual prayer and not just a model for prayer. I do agree that inner conversations with God could be considered prayer. I recite written prayers as well as my own prayers and most of these prayers are not in the bible, especially my personal prayers

Please do not misunderstand the 'prophesy' friend. What beloved VCO, who is for all of us, 'testify' that they are 'actual initial prayer' and also a 'model of prayer among others'.

Please reread the Holy Scripture in 'context' and 'listen and pat attention' to what JESUS said in the beginning to HIS disciples and then gave them the 'actual prayer', that it is also a 'model of prayer' among many given to them and the church written in the New Covenant/Testament.

GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[MikeHenderson]

The Lord's prayer is a prayer and a model for our prayers.

The Prayer starts out by addressing God. Every prayer we say needs to start out addressing God and God only.

Nowhere in the Lord's prayer does God have us address any person other than Himself.

So why do the Catholics spit in God's eye and pray to Mary who is dead and in the Grave?

Matthew 4:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "

Only God we are to serve, not God and Mary.

All the Catholics who serve Mary will never be allowed to enter into Heaven.

 

[notuptome]

Like I said Jason, those Jack Chick comic books are the BIGGEST Evil that I have known to CREEP into the Church. How do I know, I saw the EVIL FRUIT THEY PRODUCE. When I was a Volunteer Prison Chaplain at Pelican Bay State Prison in CA, I had two inmates almost go to WAR, over one of those EVIL Chick Tract comic books. I actually had to step between them, keeping my finger on the alarm button attached to my belt. IMMEDIATELY after I got them settled down, out of the Chapel, and I closed the Chapel Doors; and then, I REMOVED EVERY SINGLE CHICK TRACT FROM THE CHAPEL TABLE and put them in a box in the far back corner of the Supply Room, and left them there. We passed a new rule that any inmate wanting a Chick Tract, had to ask for it in writing by TITLE.

Matthew 7:16-18 (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

I examined the FRUIT that Chick Tracts were producing and found it to be PURE EVIL.

Seems harsh since untold numbers of souls have come to Christ through tracts like those produced by Chick. Best not to accuse God of using evil to win souls.

Gods word always separates tares form wheat and forces men to confront their sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JaumeJ]

God will choose that which is not to bring down that which is. He will use the base to bring down the proud

Always remember these teachings and that God's ways are not man's ways. Pretty to the point in plain words.

 

[MikeHenderson]

So what you did VCO was ban the Word of God just because you hate what God says!

No wonder so many Catholics see nothing wrong with Worshiping Mary as their God.

 

[VCO]

The Lord's prayer is a prayer and a model for our prayers.

The Prayer starts out by addressing God. Every prayer we say needs to start out addressing God and God only.

Nowhere in the Lord's prayer does God have us address any person other than Himself.

So why do the Catholics spit in God's eye and pray to Mary who is dead and in the Grave?

Matthew 4:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "

Only God we are to serve, not God and Mary.

All the Catholics who serve Mary will never be allowed to enter into Heaven.

NOW THAT IS WHAT IS CALLED JUDGING!

Mark 3:28-29 (ESV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man,
and whatever blasphemies they utter,
[SUP]29 [/SUP] but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness,
but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is rejecting the truths about JESUS CHRIST, that Holy Spirit has been trying to convince and convict your human spirit of.

AS for the sin of thinking too highly of Mary, WHO ARE YOU TO PASS SENTENCE UPON THAT SIN?

Matthew 7:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For with the judgment you use, you will be judged,
and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

How much law breaking are YOU guilty of?

The same amount as every Catholic.

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and
yet stumbles at just one point
is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[VCO]

So what you did VCO was ban the Word of God just because you hate what God says!

No wonder so many Catholics see nothing wrong with Worshiping Mary as their God.

NO WHERE DID I JUSTIFY WORSHIPING MARY,

AND NO WHERE IN THE CATHOLIC CATECHISM DOES IT JUSTIFY WORSHIPING MARY.

YOU CAME TO THAT EVIL SUSPICION IN YOUR OWN SINFUL MIND.

In the Catholic Seminaries, they are taught that it is only a form of asking Mary to pray for them; NOT WORSHIP.

 

[MikeHenderson]

We can Judge those who claim to be our Brothers in Christ! We are to Judge them for the lies they teach, and we are to expose them for the Evil they do in the name of God!

Matthew 7:1-2 says we are not to Judge others for the sins they do. BUT we ARE to Judge then if they are teaching lies in the name of God!

 

[MikeHenderson]

Praying to Mary IS Worshiping Mary!

Mary is dead and in the Grave. She cannot hear you nor answer or pray for you.

Its Idolatry to pray asking Mary to pray for you!

We are ONLY to pray to God!

When will you Catholics ever read the Scriptures? When will you Catholics follow God only?

As it is now, no Catholic can ever enter into Heaven as long as they keep Worshiping her by praying to her!

 

[VCO]

So, instead of interceding with the Father, she's "interceding" with Jesus?

Uh-huh. I see. Very interesting.

Not biblical, but very interesting.

Is there somewhere in the Bible I don't know about that says Jesus needs to be encouraged to intercede for the believer? By his Earthly mother, who called Him her Savior?

SHE IS NOT THE MEDIATOR, JESUS IS.

 

[VCO]

Seems harsh since untold numbers of souls have come to Christ through tracts like those produced by Chick. Best not to accuse God of using evil to win souls.

Gods word always separates tares form wheat and forces men to confront their sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So since when are Chick Tracts winning souls, the BIBLE says we are saved by GRACE, not by reading Chick tracts.

Chick Tracts deceive many into HATING CATHOLICS, which is the work of the Devil.

1 John 4:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For the person who does not love his brother he has seen cannot love the God he has not seen.

 

[fredjames]

We can Judge those who claim to be our Brothers in Christ! We are to Judge them for the lies they teach, and we are to expose them for the Evil they do in the name of God!

Matthew 7:1-2 says we are not to Judge others for the sins they do. BUT we ARE to Judge then if they are teaching lies in the name of God!

Friend, you better 'slow down' and 'know' the Holy Scripture of the HOLY BIBLE is 'judging' all of us. This 'based on', as we will know them 'by their fruit', and 'addressing' to them to 'repent' to our GOD in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, the 'author and finisher of our faith', according to the written 'Covenant' made with us by GOD, which is the New Covenant/Testament. Which 'call' all of us to 'practice' and 'abide' and 'bear much fruit' and 'our fruit must abide'.

If anyone is 'born again from above' and of the 'New Covenant/Testament', are able to 'perceive' all of these have been 'testified', which are 'spirit' and 'life' from the 'mouth' of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

As it is written;

"My sheep 'hear My voice' and they 'follow Me' ...................................................................."

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[MikeHenderson]

The problem is not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" is a True Christian!

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Just because a Catholic claims he is following God does not mean he has received Salvation.

The sheep of God does hear His voice and follow Him. But you cannot say you are a sheep of God if you follow and Worship Mary!

 

[Elin]

In the Word, reference is made to the Great Whore on seven hills. She is teh mother of whores.

Using the use of the word, whore or harlot, in the writings, the prophets, and the Books of Moses, does this not tell all much?

Now, if God is going to call His children out of her so they do not suffer her punishments with her,
do you suppose He will leave His children in her daughters? His Love telss me He will not.

It's best not to suppose about God, but to stick with what he actually states.

 

[Elin]

people do realize the word "rapture" is no more an english word than the word "baptize" do they not?

The confusion comes I think because we take the supposed English meaning, and not the literal meaning of the word from whence it originated.

"Rapture" is the English of the Latin "raptus" which is the Greek "harpazo."

The Bible was translated into Latin before it was translated into English.

Rapture, "the catching away," is a Biblical word.

 

[Elin]

God will choose that which is not to bring down that which is. He will use the base to bring down the proud

Always remember these teachings and that God's ways are not man's ways. Pretty to the point in plain words.

Nor is man's thinking God's thinking. . .

 

[flob]

The problem is not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" is a True Christian!
Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Just because a Catholic claims he is following God does not mean he has received Salvation.
The sheep of God does hear His voice and follow Him. But you cannot say you are a sheep of God if you follow and Worship Mary!

I feel that everyone who says Lord Lord IS a 'true Christian.' In that 'whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved (born of the Spirit, instantly.) Of course that is not a curse, but a call. Nor is it a lie. An unbeliever doesn't call Him Lord.
That's the 'definition' of a nonchristian.
Then what about 'I never knew you.' That means I never approved you. In the activities they claimed they did for Him.
And the Lord will judge (and judges) His own children. First! This portion of Mt has nothing to do with nonchristians. It has nothing to do with eternal damnation. It has to do with Christians. It has to do with temporary (or 'dispensational') punishment. If you prefer that word. In regard to 'worshipping Mary,' of course that is wrong and mistaken (to say the least) and foolish and nonproductive and effectively diminishes or insults both Christ and Mary. But whether you receive or received the Lord isn't Dependent on your stance on Mary, in that way. For example, sadly, I think Madame Guyon may have never? given up Catholicism's Mary-olatry in her lifetime

Revelation 17:9-10 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

THE ROMAN EMPIRE:

Caesar Augustus
DEATH:
August 19, 14 AD
Natural causes or perhaps
poisoning by his wife, Livia.
TIME IN OFFICE:
40 years, 7 months and 3 days

Caesar Tiberius
DEATH:
March 16, 37 AD
Probably natural causes, possibly
assassinated by Caligula.
TIME IN OFFICE:
22 years, 5 months and 27 days

Caesar Caligula
DEATH:
January 24, 41 AD
Assassinated in a conspiracy involving
senators and Praetoring Guards.
TIME IN OFFICE:
3 years, 10 months and 6 days

Caesar Claudius
DEATH:
October 13, 54 AD
Probably poisoned by his wife Agrippina the Younger,
in favour of her son Nero, possibly natural causes.
TIME IN OFFICE:
13 years, 9 months

Caesar Nero
DEATH:
June 9, 68 AD
Committed suicide after being declared
a public enemy by the Senate.
TIME IN OFFICE:
13 years, 8 months

Caesar Galba {NOTE: This pinpoints John writing REVELATION during
DEATH: the seven months prior to Caesar Galba's death}January 15, 69 AD
Murdered by Praetorian Guard in coup led by Otho.
TIME IN OFFICE:
7 months and 7 days

After Caesar Galba's death the ROMAN EMPIRE spirals into Civil War, and no one ruler is ever able to pull the Empire back together.
HOWEVER prophecy still speaks of a SEVENTH KING or CAESAR, who will rule over the EMPIRE of the SEVEN KINGS, that will be the Revived Roman Empire in it's final form.

Nicely to the contrary:
I understand they are Julius, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, Domitian, then the 7th, then the 8th (Rev 17).
Augustus didn't die unnaturally (suicide, murder). Domitian was the one alive when John wrote Revelation, I understand.
The 8th is the 7th's body + the 5th's soul, in 'resuscitation' from his 'death wound.' Because Caesar Nero is 666 in both Hebrew and Greek alphabet counting. I've not heard of a (slightly) different 7 ..........until this thread.
Catholicism, then, is the woman on this beast. And both are associated, by geography, to say the least. She is not the beast itself. In fact, God uses the beast to destroy Catholicism in particular, in the last 3 1/2 years: The Tribulation.

 

[VCO]

Friend, you better 'slow down' and 'know' the Holy Scripture of the HOLY BIBLE is 'judging' all of us. This 'based on', as we will know them 'by their fruit', and 'addressing' to them to 'repent' to our GOD in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, the 'author and finisher of our faith', according to the written 'Covenant' made with us by GOD, which is the New Covenant/Testament. Which 'call' all of us to 'practice' and 'abide' and 'bear much fruit' and 'our fruit must abide'.

If anyone is 'born again from above' and of the 'New Covenant/Testament', are able to 'perceive' all of these have been 'testified', which are 'spirit' and 'life' from the 'mouth' of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

As it is written;

"My sheep 'hear My voice' and they 'follow Me' ...................................................................."

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

AMEN!

If anyone is following these discussions about the JACK CHICK Theology presented in those comic book Tracts he puts out; it should be obvious to all that the FRUIT they produce is Evil hated for the Catholics.

Matthew 7:15-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree can’t produce bad fruit;neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.

Matthew 25:40-41 (ASV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:

1 John 4:7-8 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Proverbs 10:12 (GW)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Hate starts quarrels, but love covers every wrong.

Proverbs 17:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He who covers over an offense promotes love, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.

1 Peter 4:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.

Except for the GRACE of GOD, there goes I.