Clarify salvation

[Jack_]

"that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

In church last Sunday the pastor said "people if you are still living a life of sin then you are not saved". This kind of annoyed me because I know in context of talking to someone who's just heard about Jesus it would just be about whole heartedly asking for the gift of salvation and thus they would be saved by grace(then inclined to live a christian life).
It seems like christians lean towards just asking or asking + living a christian life depending on the context.

I remember wholeheartedly understanding the situation that I was a sinner and asked for salvation when I was like 10 years old. Once I got into highschool I began to hang out with very non-christian people to do non-christian things but I always defended christianity and had a conscience about sinning. It wasn't until recently this year I decided to "go all the way" and live the christian life but it just annoyed me hearing that because I think about major difference between evangelizing someone to become a christian and them actually giving up their entire worldly routine instantly.. It seems that sinning isn't only a desire of the heart it's a psychological addiction that has to be progressively fixed as well.

 

[flob]

Some are delivered immediately, strongly, in certain matters. From the 'life' of sin, the law of sin (and of death).
But it doesn't leave our bodies until they are 'redeemed' (Eph).

And it's true, by definition, that I'm not saved (from a certain sin or condition) if I am in it.
('Saved' is a broad word and not only narrowly used in the NT.)

A brother today shared with me that only Christ can live the Christian life. It's no longer I who live,
but Christ lives in me...

 

[Mitspa]

What he might have explained is that as a sincere believer the grace of God gives us power over sin and if a believer does not take up the battle against sin, they are rejecting the teachings of the gospel.

 

[p_rehbein]

Your Pastor was correct. If someone professes to be saved, and then goes right back to living their lives of sin, they are not/were not saved. Like a dog that returns to his own vomit.

When one is saved/born again, one dies to the old self and is born to a new self........One is freed from the enslaving chains of sin, and does not seek to return to the life from which they were saved from.

Anyone who believes that it is acceptable to do such, has no understanding of salvation or the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[dcontroversal]

Saved is saved is saved......some places it eans soul salvation (eternally) some places it means preserved (physically) and many miss the mark on what it means to be eternally saved and preserved in Christ! For those who teach you can lose it....they teach a works based lie based upon self....Jesus has completed the work and if you acknowledge him the blood is applied and you are justified (rendered legally innocent), sealed with the spirit of promise which is the down payment on your eternal inheritance and sanctified in Christ (positionally) and eternally.....find a new preacher that teaches the truth mate!

 

[flob]

'acceptable.......'
lol, what ignorance

 

[p_rehbein]

Saved is saved is saved......some places it eans soul salvation (eternally) some places it means preserved (physically) and many miss the mark on what it means to be eternally saved and preserved in Christ! For those who teach you can lose it....they teach a works based lie based upon self....Jesus has completed the work and if you acknowledge him the blood is applied and you are justified (rendered legally innocent), sealed with the spirit of promise which is the down payment on your eternal inheritance and sanctified in Christ (positionally) and eternally.....find a new preacher that teaches the truth mate!

Yeah, like those Legalists who tell women what they can or can not do, wear, say.........the worst kind of Legalists who deny Grace to women

 

[dcontroversal]

Your Pastor was correct. If someone professes to be saved, and then goes right back to living their lives of sin, they are not/were not saved. Like a dog that returns to his own vomit.

When one is saved/born again, one dies to the old self and is born to a new self........One is freed from the enslaving chains of sin, and does not seek to return to the life from which they were saved from.

Anyone who believes that it is acceptable to do such, has no understanding of salvation or the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Anyone who teaches a saved child of God doesnt sin, cannot sin or will never sin is blind, decieved and has no truth dwelling in them.....1 John 1:8

 

[dcontroversal]

Yeah, like those Legalists who tell women what they can or can not do, wear, say.........the worst kind of Legalists who deny Grace to women

Oh wow....you actually responded to me........surprise, surprise......Kind of like the qualifications of a Pastor which are God inspired hey?

 

[p_rehbein]

Oh wow....you actually responded to me........surprise, surprise......Kind of like the qualifications of a Pastor which are God inspired hey?

well, let us see...........is it GRACE ONLY? Or are there other things that become involved in ones Christian life?

 

[sparkman]

I was saved at age 22, was very faithful and committed for 15 years, then backslid for over 10 years, and came back to a better relationship with the Lord again.

Some would tell you I was not saved if they knew some of the things I got involved with. I really don't pay much attention to negative Christians anymore. I know God has a steadfast love for those he covenants with, and that he does not give up.

David also messed up big time in his life on several occasions yet God didn't give up on him.

I really like Psalm 136 in this regard. It mentions his steadfast covenant love which is called chesed in Hebrew.

If I thought someone wasn't saved due to their indifference to sin, I would encourage them to examine theirselves but i wouldn't make the determination on my own.

Actually I was probably one of the most judgmental people before I fell into my immorality during that period so I think God used it to humble me. I think it also forced me to acknowledge my need for his grace.

"that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

In church last Sunday the pastor said "people if you are still living a life of sin then you are not saved". This kind of annoyed me because I know in context of talking to someone who's just heard about Jesus it would just be about whole heartedly asking for the gift of salvation and thus they would be saved by grace(then inclined to live a christian life).
It seems like christians lean towards just asking or asking + living a christian life depending on the context.

I remember wholeheartedly understanding the situation that I was a sinner and asked for salvation when I was like 10 years old. Once I got into highschool I began to hang out with very non-christian people to do non-christian things but I always defended christianity and had a conscience about sinning. It wasn't until recently this year I decided to "go all the way" and live the christian life but it just annoyed me hearing that because I think about major difference between evangelizing someone to become a christian and them actually giving up their entire worldly routine instantly.. It seems that sinning isn't only a desire of the heart it's a psychological addiction that has to be progressively fixed as well.

 

[p_rehbein]

Anyone who teaches a saved child of God doesnt sin, cannot sin or will never sin is blind, decieved and has no truth dwelling in them.....1 John 1:8

Glad to see things never change.......you clearly misrepresented my comment............accident or on purpose, only you know.


I said: When one is saved/born again, one dies to the old self and is born to a new self........One is freed from the enslaving chains of sin, and does not seek to return to the life from which they were saved from.


I did not say: Anyone who teaches a saved child of God doesnt sin, cannot sin or will never sin

Don't know why people have to misrepresent what others say.........does that make them fell superior in some way?

 

[Willie-T]

Come on, Guys. We all know we are talking about someone deliberately just going right back to living as usual, with never even a real intention of ever trying to honor Christ in anything...... NOT someone who still fouls up, and does stupid and wrong things after doing what they really believed was turning to Christ.

 

[dcontroversal]

well, let us see...........is it GRACE ONLY? Or are there other things that become involved in ones Christian life?

Look Paul.....sometimes you say things I agree with...sometimes you say things that contradict the scriptures....God gave the qualifications by a man he inspired.....I have no problem with women teaching women or children...but when men are in the assembly they have NO right....and with all due respect bro...you would be bias based upon the fact of who your pastor was! It has NOTHING at all to due with GRACE, but rather what GOD qualifies as right and acceptable....I am sorry if you cannot accept that!

 

[p_rehbein]

QUOTE: I was saved at age 22, was very faithful and committed for 15 years, then backslid for over 10 years, and came back to a better relationship with the Lord again.
END QUOTATION......

That is quite different then going to an alter/whatever and pleading for God to shed His saving Grace upon you, and then rising up from the Alter/whatever...........going right back out into the world and immediately resuming what you were doing before.

 

[Mitspa]

Real faith has "REAL" actions ...if someone says they have faith and don't act in agreement with that faith...we know its a dead faith....can a believer be saved by faith if its a dead faith? I think God intends folks to not play games and live according to what they say they are.

 

[dcontroversal]

Glad to see things never change.......you clearly misrepresented my comment............accident or on purpose, only you know.


I said: When one is saved/born again, one dies to the old self and is born to a new self........One is freed from the enslaving chains of sin, and does not seek to return to the life from which they were saved from.


I did not say: Anyone who teaches a saved child of God doesnt sin, cannot sin or will never sin

Don't know why people have to misrepresent what others say.........does that make them fell superior in some way?

Instead of assuming bro....why not just ask......as I did not misrepresent anything on purpose....I just clarified that saved children of God can and do sin, but that does not make them someone who is lost!

 

[p_rehbein]

Look Paul.....sometimes you say things I agree with...sometimes you say things that contradict the scriptures....God gave the qualifications by a man he inspired.....I have no problem with women teaching women or children...but when men are in the assembly they have NO right....and with all due respect bro...you would be bias based upon the fact of who your pastor was! It has NOTHING at all to due with GRACE, but rather what GOD qualifies as right and acceptable....I am sorry if you cannot accept that!

And you are playing word games with regards to Legalism and obedience to what God states as qualifications. That is simply truth. God/Jesus Christ gave many qualifications to people, many Commandments to people and the church, yet you always argue against living in obedience to the Commandments of Christ because people who say such are those horrible Legalists.

Yet, when it suits your theological ideology, suddenly obedience to Paul's teachings MUST be adhered to.

Seriously?

Don't worry about what Jesus said do, 'cause Grace covers it all! But hey, you better do what Paul said to do.........or else!

Simple solution.............either it is GRACE ONLY or it is not........you choose.

 

[p_rehbein]

Instead of assuming bro....why not just ask......as I did not misrepresent anything on purpose....I just clarified that saved children of God can and do sin, but that does not make them someone who is lost!

No need to ask. Your response was clearly a rebuttal to mine, and what you stated did not represent correctly what I had stated, yet gave the appearance of a condemnation of both me and my statement.

Any honest reading of the two comments would show this.

 

[dcontroversal]

And you are playing word games with regards to Legalism and obedience to what God states as qualifications. That is simply truth. God/Jesus Christ gave many qualifications to people, many Commandments to people and the church, yet you always argue against living in obedience to the Commandments of Christ because people who say such are those horrible Legalists.

Yet, when it suits your theological ideology, suddenly obedience to Paul's teachings MUST be adhered to.

Seriously?

Don't worry about what Jesus said do, 'cause Grace covers it all! But hey, you better do what Paul said to do.........or else!

Simple solution.............either it is GRACE ONLY or it is not........you choose.

Yeah Christ did state many things to many people for sure....Christ was also UNDER the LAW because the New Covenant had not yet been RATIFIED by his shed BLOOD and death PAUL....as far as the argument you make above....I dont know what your talking about.....go find one place where I have said, implied or stated that we are not to be obedient to the word of God.......As I have consistently taught that one is saved by grace dia faith...it is eternal and ALLOWS men to walk according to the word of God which is summed up in 2 and only 2 commandments.....LOVE GOD and LOVE Your BROTHER.........! So......I dont know about you...but being under grace does not ALLOW us to MOVE the landmarks which have been set by GOD and the standards that have been set by GOD...so are you saying it is OK to disregard the word because we are UNDER GRACE and then do what we please??????