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That is too, too funny. Asking me to show you where you have argued against obedience......and for Grace Only.......when everyone here knows you have done so since you have been here. And anyone who disagrees with you are condemned as being those Legalists with false teachings.............
No, but you and others have said such.........shall we begin with the Ten Commandments?
So, back to what I am revealing tonight. If a woman believes they are called by God to Preach/Teach, and are obedient to that calling.............are they SAVED? Or, have they lost their salvation?
Let us take the worst possible example you and others speak against...........a Woman Pastor.............egad! Say it ain't so....
Is a woman who becomes Ordained and accepts a position as a church Pastor a true woman of God and secure in her eternal salvation or not?
No, but you and others have said such.........shall we begin with the Ten Commandments?
So, back to what I am revealing tonight. If a woman believes they are called by God to Preach/Teach, and are obedient to that calling.............are they SAVED? Or, have they lost their salvation?
Let us take the worst possible example you and others speak against...........a Woman Pastor.............egad! Say it ain't so....
Is a woman who becomes Ordained and accepts a position as a church Pastor a true woman of God and secure in her eternal salvation or not?
Once and for all............answer required...........and anyone can answer.......
Let us take the worst possible example you and others speak against...........a Woman Pastor.............egad! Say it ain't so....
Is a woman who becomes Ordained and accepts a position as a church Pastor a true woman of God and secure in her eternal salvation or not?
Let us take the worst possible example you and others speak against...........a Woman Pastor.............egad! Say it ain't so....
Is a woman who becomes Ordained and accepts a position as a church Pastor a true woman of God and secure in her eternal salvation or not?
Dear Jack:
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the LIFE (John 14:6). Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). Knowing Jesus and the Father is the source of one's eternal life. If one is not abiding with the Father and Jesus, then they have no eternal life abiding in them. How can you get the Father and the Son to abide in you so that you may know them and have eternal life?
Obey the words of the Lord. For...
"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23).
For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
What are some words by Jesus in regards to salvation?
In Matthew 6:15, Jesus gives us words about how if we do not forgive, then we will not be forgiven.
In Matthew 18:9, Jesus gives us words that say that if our eye offends us, it is better to pluck it out then to go thru Hell fire.
In Matthew 12:37, Jesus says by your words you will be justified and by your words, you can be condemned. For if one rejects the words of Christ, then those very words will judge them on the last day (John 12:48).
In Matthew 5:20, Jesus says your righteousness must exeed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, otherwise you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
In Matthew 5:22, Jesus says do not hate your brother without a cause, or you will be in danger of the Judgment.
Doesn't sound like Eternal Security to me. There are certain Conditions that apply for a believer to abide in Christ (Who is the source of their Eternal Salvation).
For who is he who truly knows God? According to 1 John 2:3, it is the person who keeps His Commandments. For...
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).
I hope this helps.
And may God bless you.
Sincerely,
~ Jason.
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Jesus is the way, the truth, and the LIFE (John 14:6). Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). Knowing Jesus and the Father is the source of one's eternal life. If one is not abiding with the Father and Jesus, then they have no eternal life abiding in them. How can you get the Father and the Son to abide in you so that you may know them and have eternal life?
Obey the words of the Lord. For...
"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23).
For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).
What are some words by Jesus in regards to salvation?
In Matthew 6:15, Jesus gives us words about how if we do not forgive, then we will not be forgiven.
In Matthew 18:9, Jesus gives us words that say that if our eye offends us, it is better to pluck it out then to go thru Hell fire.
In Matthew 12:37, Jesus says by your words you will be justified and by your words, you can be condemned. For if one rejects the words of Christ, then those very words will judge them on the last day (John 12:48).
In Matthew 5:20, Jesus says your righteousness must exeed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, otherwise you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
In Matthew 5:22, Jesus says do not hate your brother without a cause, or you will be in danger of the Judgment.
Doesn't sound like Eternal Security to me. There are certain Conditions that apply for a believer to abide in Christ (Who is the source of their Eternal Salvation).
For who is he who truly knows God? According to 1 John 2:3, it is the person who keeps His Commandments. For...
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).
I hope this helps.
And may God bless you.
Sincerely,
~ Jason.
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I know you are not addressing me, but since I am a woman and ordained pastor and I teach and preach in my church, I thought I would let you know I am secure in my salvation.
I've explained at least 50 times on here about the bad rendering of authentein, as authority (which is exousia) and how it is a hapax legomena and has over 50 meanings in contemporaneous sources - probably domineering is as good as possible.
As for the qualifications of deacons well that is a translational issue, too! Because most versions translate deaconnesses as "wives". Not saying it couldn't be, but if it is deaconnesses, then we could use those qualifications for women, assuming they could be the wives of one husband, of course! No polyandry allowed!
Then of course, there is the culture those passages were written too.
And finally, legalism by men who want women to remain "in their place." LOL
Now back to our regularly scheduled constant debate about the law versus grace and how to apply the law to grace or grace to the law or whatever.......
PS. I am not the only ordained woman pastor who posts in this forum!
I've explained at least 50 times on here about the bad rendering of authentein, as authority (which is exousia) and how it is a hapax legomena and has over 50 meanings in contemporaneous sources - probably domineering is as good as possible.
As for the qualifications of deacons well that is a translational issue, too! Because most versions translate deaconnesses as "wives". Not saying it couldn't be, but if it is deaconnesses, then we could use those qualifications for women, assuming they could be the wives of one husband, of course! No polyandry allowed!
Then of course, there is the culture those passages were written too.
And finally, legalism by men who want women to remain "in their place." LOL
Now back to our regularly scheduled constant debate about the law versus grace and how to apply the law to grace or grace to the law or whatever.......
PS. I am not the only ordained woman pastor who posts in this forum!
Also, for those who think Paul taught a different gospel or teachings than Jesus Christ, they would be wrong, too. Paul essentially said that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). I mean, think about it. Why would God allow His people to be saved while they got away with evil? It doesn't make any sense. Would not such an action reflect badly upon God? For is not a parent just as guilty of a crime if he condoned their children in doing so? Why would folks think it is any different with our Heavenly Father?
I mean, how can you tell the good guys from the bad guys when you turn on the news or watch a movie? Does not life teach us that we can tell good people from bad people by what they do? Yes, it is true. We are not saved by our works. We are saved by God's grace (Which is a free gift). But like all free gifts in life, they come with some kind of responsibilty in keeping them, though. For when we receive the gift (Which is Jesus Christ), He then does the "good work" in you when you surrender your life to Him (See Philippians 2:13). It is also not of works that we are saved because if we mess up in allowing Christ to work in us (According to His Word), we have his grace to fall back upon (by confessing sin so as to be forgiven as per 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9); We do this until we are perfected in that day we are a slave to righteousness (Which is different for every believer). But are there Conditions for us to adhere to in God's Word? Yes, but the Lord will help you to keep His Commands. For you can do nothing without Christ (See Ezekiel 36:26-27; John 15:5).
Also, please take note that when I say, "Keep God's Commandments" I am not referring to all of the 10 Commandments or the entirety of the Law of Moses (Even though we do obey 9 out of the 10 Commandments). I am referring to a believer keeping the Commands giving to us by Jesus Christ and His apostles in the New Testament. For Hebrews 8:13 says that the Old Covenant has vanished away; And Hebrews 7:12 says that the Law has changed.
Here is a thread study on God's Commands in the New Testament that I started.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...res-all-new-testament-commands-teachings.html
And here are 1,050 New Testament Commands listed in a PDF.
https://www.cai.org/files/theme-sheets/en/a1/sa1019au.pdf
Here is a thread study on God's Commands in the New Testament that I started.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...res-all-new-testament-commands-teachings.html
And here are 1,050 New Testament Commands listed in a PDF.
https://www.cai.org/files/theme-sheets/en/a1/sa1019au.pdf
Saved by Grace through Faith, not by works.
And yet, works are prepared in advance for us to do.
Yes, we are saved to then go and do good works.
It is the fruit that comes from the Vine.
If there is no fruit on the branch, it is trimmed off, because it was never actually in the Vine (or else it would have produced fruit).
If the works are coming out of self, and self-preservation, then they are impure works... "filthy rags".
If your works are done to try to keep you saved, then they are worthless works.
They must come out of real love, which we can only have because He first loved us.
And yet, works are prepared in advance for us to do.
Yes, we are saved to then go and do good works.
It is the fruit that comes from the Vine.
If there is no fruit on the branch, it is trimmed off, because it was never actually in the Vine (or else it would have produced fruit).
If the works are coming out of self, and self-preservation, then they are impure works... "filthy rags".
If your works are done to try to keep you saved, then they are worthless works.
They must come out of real love, which we can only have because He first loved us.
A
Salvation is something Christ alone did. He did it once. He picks the time for each of the elect to be saved in our time line. Saved isn't our walk in God. It is scooping us up from our deserved punishment. The walk is called sanctification. If people would get that one, they'd catch some better reality of why we still sin afterward. It takes a while to sanctify. A moment to be saved.
You're not wrong. Your pastor is. You can always find a church that understands the difference.
You're not wrong. Your pastor is. You can always find a church that understands the difference.
I am sorry Angela. It may be that I am an old crusty one, but I take 1 Timothy 2:12-14 at face value. I have no problem with women teaching other women and children in a church building and even teaching and ministering outside the church building, but I can't go your route. In God's house, I feel that since He is unchanging He wouldn't want changes made in who leads men now being any different than it was then.