Creation, The Flood, And Millions Of Years
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Evening and morning is one day. This is supported even in the 10 Commandments, and thereby throughout the Bible, even by the sayings of Jesus. The creation week is one week. In 6 days, evening and morning God made everything and on the 7th day he did rest. I will believe God and his servants at their word for they know better than the people of today.
Remember, no scripture is of private interpretation.
Remember, no scripture is of private interpretation.
too bad there are numerous fallacies in this article.
i am a believer in a literal Bible translation. I believe the world is young, not necessarily 6,000 years old. There is actually a lot of science that supports this view. The science actually comes from credible scientists. Sadly we are not all fools, but think what you like.
i am a believer in a literal Bible translation. I believe the world is young, not necessarily 6,000 years old. There is actually a lot of science that supports this view. The science actually comes from credible scientists. Sadly we are not all fools, but think what you like.
I said that Peter's quote of the thousands of years is in reference to the end of the world, not its genesis.
I said that Genesis defines the creation days as evening and morning, one day. I said that Moses defines the creation days, plus the day of rest, as one week.
Will you wrest my words to your own undoing as you do to Peter's? It is fine, let those that believe continue to believe and let those that do not continue to not.
I said that Genesis defines the creation days as evening and morning, one day. I said that Moses defines the creation days, plus the day of rest, as one week.
Will you wrest my words to your own undoing as you do to Peter's? It is fine, let those that believe continue to believe and let those that do not continue to not.
those aren't Peter's words -- they are from a psalm of Moses.
so it's in fact Moses equivocating a day or a few hours to a thousand years, in God's sight.
and in the Psalm, he's comparing it with the whole earthly life of a man - from birth to death.
in verse 5-6 of Psalm 90, he speaks of grass as though it is born in the morning and dies the very same evening -- now in reality, in human terms, grasses live for a few weeks, not just one 24-hour period.
this is the same Moses who wrote down the Genesis account, and he's using "day" and "morning" and "evening" in an obviously allegorical way. seems to me that this ought to be reason not to be so dogmatic about the creation of the universe ((which we were definitely not around to witness, holding stopwatches)) to the point that we are arguing about it vehemently with each other and forgetting completely to glorify God in any way.
also in Moses' psalm, he prays that the Lord should 'teach us to number our days' -- they are short. i don't want to waste them being divisive with my family -- i would much rather use them reconciling each other
so it's in fact Moses equivocating a day or a few hours to a thousand years, in God's sight.
and in the Psalm, he's comparing it with the whole earthly life of a man - from birth to death.
in verse 5-6 of Psalm 90, he speaks of grass as though it is born in the morning and dies the very same evening -- now in reality, in human terms, grasses live for a few weeks, not just one 24-hour period.
this is the same Moses who wrote down the Genesis account, and he's using "day" and "morning" and "evening" in an obviously allegorical way. seems to me that this ought to be reason not to be so dogmatic about the creation of the universe ((which we were definitely not around to witness, holding stopwatches)) to the point that we are arguing about it vehemently with each other and forgetting completely to glorify God in any way.
also in Moses' psalm, he prays that the Lord should 'teach us to number our days' -- they are short. i don't want to waste them being divisive with my family -- i would much rather use them reconciling each other
eh, we're all still posting from inside mortal bodies, and it shows, doesn't it??
it takes a heart that knows how to forgive and to look over perceived wrongs, to get along here.
we all agree that Jesus is Lord, and that's the important part.
we sure can use more voices that unite, and less that divide though!
it takes a heart that knows how to forgive and to look over perceived wrongs, to get along here.
we all agree that Jesus is Lord, and that's the important part.
we sure can use more voices that unite, and less that divide though!
But what you are calling a day is not an evening and a morning it is a day and a night which is a contradiction in terms. an evening (twilight) and a morning (dawn) are in fact the close and opening of a Biblical day, a period of light.
Genesis 1 itself defines a day as a period of light. So you are simply putting your own ides before what the Scriptures themselves teach.
You people are so inconsistent. You pretend you take the Bible literally but do not. You take it ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN PRESUMPTIONS.
Genesis 1 itself defines a day as a period of light. So you are simply putting your own ides before what the Scriptures themselves teach.
You people are so inconsistent. You pretend you take the Bible literally but do not. You take it ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN PRESUMPTIONS.
There are among Old Earth Creationists two distinct schools of thought.
Those who attempt to interpret a day as anything other than a literal 24 hour day are, IMO, clearly wrong; as you have indicated.
The grammar of Genesis 1 permits a notion that the literal 6 days of creation described in Genesis 1 are in fact re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval; and that an indefinite gap in time exists either between verse 1 and verse 2 and/or between verse 2 and verse 3. The Hebrew allows but does not demand such an understanding. This OLD Earth view still regards Genesis 1 as speaking of literal 24 hour days.
Those who attempt to interpret a day as anything other than a literal 24 hour day are, IMO, clearly wrong; as you have indicated.
The grammar of Genesis 1 permits a notion that the literal 6 days of creation described in Genesis 1 are in fact re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval; and that an indefinite gap in time exists either between verse 1 and verse 2 and/or between verse 2 and verse 3. The Hebrew allows but does not demand such an understanding. This OLD Earth view still regards Genesis 1 as speaking of literal 24 hour days.
To Israel time was fluid.
The 'year' (not our year) was made up of 12 moon periods, but that began to put the seasons out as it fell short of our idea of a year. So every now and again they put in a thirteenth moon period to bring things back into line. A year was not fixed as to time.
the length of a moon period was not fixed. Sometimes it was twenty eight 'days' and sometimes it was twenty nine depending on the moon's movements. They altered its length without any qualm. A moon period was not fixed as to time.
By definition in Gensis1 a yom (day) was a period of light. They lived by periods of light. With some exceptions the night was for sleeping. The period of light was positive, the period of night was negative. Thus they would see God as creating in six periods of light.
When Joshua's 'day' lasted considerably longer than they were used to it was still to them a 'day' (period of light). They had no fixed idea of time. Indeed Hebrew did not have a technical term for time.
Had they lived in the arctic they would have seen the 'day' as lasting a long period of time.
thus the idea of 'days' in Genesis 1 as being fluid, and not fixed. would have fitted their idea of things.
And this comes out in that until the fourth yom an earthly yom was not determined by the sun.
Furthermore as we all know there are verses which make clear that to GOD a day can be any length of time.
The 'year' (not our year) was made up of 12 moon periods, but that began to put the seasons out as it fell short of our idea of a year. So every now and again they put in a thirteenth moon period to bring things back into line. A year was not fixed as to time.
the length of a moon period was not fixed. Sometimes it was twenty eight 'days' and sometimes it was twenty nine depending on the moon's movements. They altered its length without any qualm. A moon period was not fixed as to time.
By definition in Gensis1 a yom (day) was a period of light. They lived by periods of light. With some exceptions the night was for sleeping. The period of light was positive, the period of night was negative. Thus they would see God as creating in six periods of light.
When Joshua's 'day' lasted considerably longer than they were used to it was still to them a 'day' (period of light). They had no fixed idea of time. Indeed Hebrew did not have a technical term for time.
Had they lived in the arctic they would have seen the 'day' as lasting a long period of time.
thus the idea of 'days' in Genesis 1 as being fluid, and not fixed. would have fitted their idea of things.
And this comes out in that until the fourth yom an earthly yom was not determined by the sun.
Furthermore as we all know there are verses which make clear that to GOD a day can be any length of time.
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That restore or re-creation version fits perfectly IMO. I may change that as I mature in Christ. But at this point in my walk, a lot of questions were answered for me with a restored earth in 6 literal days. No evolution in it. And it answers the question of why satan is such a big(But judged and condemned already) player in the whole scheme of things.
IMO, young earth has an agenda to disprove evolution(which is false no matter what) and they overlook the truth to try to STAMP out evolution. Their agenda to prove evolution is false is more important than the truth. And it is sincere, I fault no one for it.
IMO, young earth has an agenda to disprove evolution(which is false no matter what) and they overlook the truth to try to STAMP out evolution. Their agenda to prove evolution is false is more important than the truth. And it is sincere, I fault no one for it.
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Jesus knows exactly how many hours there are in a day:
John chapter 11 verses 9 and 10
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
There are 12 hours in a day, 12 hours in a night, 4 watches in a day and 4 watches in a night. There are numerous places in the Bible where such is clearly spelled out for us. There are also times when such things as light and darkness and day and night are used to describe the two different kingdoms operating here on earth and your above reference falls more into that category as does the following:
Romans chapter 13 verses 11 thru 13
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
John chapter 11 verses 9 and 10
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
There are 12 hours in a day, 12 hours in a night, 4 watches in a day and 4 watches in a night. There are numerous places in the Bible where such is clearly spelled out for us. There are also times when such things as light and darkness and day and night are used to describe the two different kingdoms operating here on earth and your above reference falls more into that category as does the following:
Romans chapter 13 verses 11 thru 13
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
