Creation, The Flood, And Millions Of Years

[eternally-gratefull]

Sure it's a cult.

And as this article proves the modern Young Earth Creationist cult movement got its flood geology from Henry Morris via George McCready via Ellen G. White.

Young Earth Creationism is a cult full of fools and liars

Nah, We got it from the word of God, from logical thinking, and not trying to make our belief fit popular thinking, like people have been doing for thousands of years, only to find out continually that popular beliefs are 99.9 percent in error.

why do we not stick to the word of God. and not some blog? We do not listen to men, but if thats what you do. then your already in trouble

 

[tanach]

Godissalvation. Take the Bible Literally? You are partly right. But then again are you expecting a seven headed beast to be coming out of the sea anytime soon? Or a Prostitute riding it? If so keep away from the wacky backey is my advice.

 

[Tintin]

Biblical creation is not a cult, it was the mainstream view of the Church until the advent of uniformitarianism and evolution and their becoming mainstream. Also, Henry M. Morris was very much a Christian, I've never heard of George McCready and Ellen G. White just associated herself with it, to get some credibility. She had no part to play in the actual biblical creation movement. Jacksie, once again you're talking out of your buttocks.

 

[Tintin]

Godissalvation. Take the Bible Literally? You are partly right. But then again are you expecting a seven headed beast to be coming out of the sea anytime soon? Or a Prostitute riding it? If so keep away from the wacky backey is my advice.

Don't be silly, please. There's figurative language. When we mean 'literally' we mean from a grammatical-historical perspective.

 

[EdisonTrent]

You have to take the Bible literally to understand the Bible because the Bible says there is no private interpretation of the Bible.

so many times what I see around me can't help but revert to scripture saying yea I know what you mean on a private level.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Godissalvation. Take the Bible Literally? You are partly right. But then again are you expecting a seven headed beast to be coming out of the sea anytime soon? Or a Prostitute riding it? If so keep away from the wacky backey is my advice.

I do indeed mean to take the Bible literally. Book of Revelation is a good example. If you can't take the Bible literally you can never understand that book.

EDIT: And to add that is why it is no wonder at all the most prevalent heresies are based off misinterpretting Genesis and Revelation, because the unbelievers don't take it literally because they do not believe, and unbelievers understand nothing.

 

[valiant]

I do indeed mean to take the Bible literally. Book of Revelation is a good example. If you can't take the Bible literally you can never understand that book.

EDIT: And to add that is why it is no wonder at all the most prevalent heresies are based off misinterpretting Genesis and Revelation, because the unbelievers don't take it literally because they do not believe, and unbelievers understand nothing.

And if you take it literally you will certainly never understand it. It is apocalyptic and not intended to be taken literally. As it says itself. it was truth communicated by signs.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And if you take it literally you will certainly never understand it.It is apocalyptic and not intended to be taken literally. As it says itself. it was truth communicated by signs.

oh and where is this?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

And if you take it literally you will certainly never understand it. It is apocalyptic and not intended to be taken literally. As it says itself. it was truth communicated by signs.

Nope not at all, Book of Revelation explains itself, but you cannot understand those explanations if you do not take it literally. Not taking the Bible literally is just a fancy way of saying you do not believe what is written therein, but that you either do not understand being an unbeliever or you believe the lies of the scribes whom are all liars seeking to thrust you out of the way.

If you want to understand Revelation my suggestion to you is first to believe the Bible and secondly to read it out loud. It is true that whomever reads that book out loud is blessed.

 

[valiant]

Nope not at all, Book of Revelation explains itself, but you cannot understand those explanations if you do not take it literally.

LOL LOL LOL those who take it literally disagree with each other at almost every point. There is no agreement on the meaning of Revelation at all among literalists so please do not suggest anything so evidently absurd. I am not sure whether God is crying or laughing at what Darbyists and their like do to the Book of Revelation. It certainly makes me laugh. Fortunately here in the UK it is only those on the fringe who treat these 'interpretations seriously'. Most Christians just shrug and turn away and concentrate on Jesus Christ, leaving Revelation to the fanatics. Which is a pity as symbolically it has good lessons to teach us..

Not taking the Bible literally is just a fancy way of saying you do not believe what is written therein

Rubbish. It means that you take it seriously and recognise its background. and what God is really trying to say.

, but that you either do not understand being an unbeliever or you believe the lies of the scribes whom are all liars seeking to thrust you out of the way.

No, it means that you recognise that many Americans lose all the spiritual lessons God wants to teach and prefer to continually grovel in the mud.

If you want to understand Revelation my suggestion to you is first to believe the Bible

I have written a commentary on Revelation, so I don't need your advice on how to understand it. I believe the Bible, but I do not believe the rigid soul deadening literalism of many of you Americans who are unable to see the forest for the trees..

and secondly to read it out loud. It is true that whomever reads that book out loud is blessed.

It is regularly read out loud in our churches. But the blessing comes in seeing and understanding the symbolism.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

LOL LOL LOL those who take it literally disagree with each other at almost every point. There is no agreement on the meaning of Revelation at all among literalists so please do not suggest anything so evidently absurd. I am not sure whether God is crying or laughing at what Darbyists and their like do to the Book of Revelation. It certainly makes me laugh. Fortunately here in the UK it is only those on the fringe who treat these 'interpretations seriously'. Most Christians just shrug and turn away and concentrate on Jesus Christ, leaving Revelation to the fanatics. Which is a pity as symbolically it has good lessons to teach us...

Nay, for if you understand the Bible literally there is no conflict. There is only conflict between those that believe and don't believe. Don't know what a Darbyist is, but let them believe in Darby and I shall believe in God.

Rubbish. It means that you take it seriously and recognise its background. and what God is really trying to say.

Nay but if you took the Bible seriously you would believe what God says through his servants the prophets.

No, it means that you recognise that many Americans lose all the spiritual lessons God wants to teach and prefer to continually grovel in the mud.

If you believe the Bible you would know the spiritual lessons. Spiritual does not mean that it is not literal, but in fact by not taking the Bible literally you only prove you do not literally believe the spiritual elements of it.

I have written a commentary on Revelation, so I don't need your advice on how to understand it. I believe the Bible, but I do not believe the rigid soul deadening literalism of many of you Americans who are unable to see the forest for the trees..

Then you prove you did not understand the last chapter very well at all.

It is regularly read out loud in our churches. But the blessing comes in seeing and understanding the symbolism.

Read it out loud for yourself and believe what is written.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

If revelation and daniel and all other prophesies are not to be taken literally (even if figurative language is used, it still speaks of literal events)

Then God spoke presumptuously when he spoke to moses concerning how to tell if a prophet speaks from God is himself.

 

[valiant]

Nay, for if you understand the Bible literally there is no conflict. There is only conflict between those that believe and don't believe. Don't know what a Darbyist is, but let them believe in Darby and I shall believe in God.

your views on the so-called great tribulation and the spurious millennium were propagated by Darby having first been invented by two Roman Catholic priests. You don't understand the Bible literally. You fit it into your schemes and deceive yourself into thinking you take it literally. As soon as something disagrees you point out that it cannot be taken literally. And if you don't think there is conflict between 'Biblical literalists' you walk around with your eyes closed.

Nay but if you took the Bible seriously you would believe what God says through his servants the prophets.

I believe what God says through His servants the prophets in the way that He meant it to be understood. What I do not accept are your distortions of it.

If you believe the Bible you would know the spiritual lessons. Spiritual does not mean that it is not literal, but in fact by not taking the Bible literally you only prove you do not literally believe the spiritual elements of it.

LOL go on kidding yourself. The American church is famous throughout the world for its lack of spirituality, a lot of it the product of its wooden interpretation of the Bible. Don't preen yourself too much, you might swallow your whiskers LOL

Read it out loud for yourself and believe what is written.

Some of you Yanks are SOOOOOOOO arrogant. Its unbelievable. Let him who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall. I will stick with the Holy Spirit.

 

[valiant]

Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

If revelation and daniel and all other prophesies are not to be taken literally (even if figurative language is used, it still speaks of literal events)

I love it !!!!!!! LOL LOL literally = figurative. that is a contradiction in terms. But at least you ADMIT that you can't take it all literally.

We all think it speaks of literal events if the figures are interpreted correctly. But that is not interpreting it literally. It is you recognising that you are not a literalist after all.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

And if you take it literally you will certainly never understand it.It is apocalyptic and not intended to be taken literally. As it says itself. it was truth communicated by signs.

oh and where is this?

'He sent and showed it by signs to His servant John' (Rev 1.1). semeion = a sign. so semaino means literally to indicate by signs

 

[GodIsSalvation]

your views on the so-called great tribulation and the spurious millennium were propagated by Darby having first been invented by two Roman Catholic priests. You don't understand the Bible literally. You fit it into your schemes and deceive yourself into thinking you take it literally. As soon as something disagrees you point out that it cannot be taken literally. And if you don't think there is conflict between 'Biblical literalists' you walk around with your eyes closed. .

You don't even know what my views are. It is little wonder though that you do not understand. I have not pointed out once on this forum that the Bible should not be taken literally, but I have always said the Bible must be taken literally.

I believe what God says through His servants the prophets in the way that He meant it to be understood. What I do not accept are your distortions of it.

Then you would believe what they wrote and spoke of instead of trying to distort their words to make them into lies.

LOL go on kidding yourself. The American church is famous throughout the world for its lack of spirituality, a lot of it the product of its wooden interpretation of the Bible. Don't preen yourself too much, you might swallow your whiskers LOL

What church is the American Church? I am not a member of any church of stone, but I am a Christian because I have read the Bible and I believe what is written therein and I also know what is written therein is truth.

Some of you Yanks are SOOOOOOOO arrogant. Its unbelievable. Let him who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall. I will stick with the Holy Spirit.

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

 

[Sam86]

Biblical creation is not a cult, it was the mainstream view of the Church until the advent of uniformitarianism and evolution and their becoming mainstream. Also, Henry M. Morris was very much a Christian, I've never heard of George McCready and Ellen G. White just associated herself with it, to get some credibility. She had no part to play in the actual biblical creation movement. Jacksie, once again you're talking out of your buttocks.

You don’t even know who George McCready Price is?

I don’t see where you have effectively rebutted anything in this article

Young Earth Creationism is a cult full of fools and liars

which says:

Henry Morris, founder of the modern Young Earth Creationist cult movement and founder of the Institute for Creation Reasearch, got his science, particularly flood geology, from Seventh-Day Adventist George McCready Price. Price got his flood geology from his fellow Seventh-Day Adventist Ellen G. White. She got hers from visions.

From the article at Wikipedia on Flood Geology:

‘Ellen G. White's visions were the spur for several books by one of her followers, George McCready Price, leading to the 20th century revival of Flood geology. In 1942, Henry M. Morris was persuaded by Irwin A. Moon's Sermons from Science of the importance of harmonising science and the Bible, and was introduced to the concepts of a vapor canopy causing the Flood, and its geological effects. About a year later he found George McCready Price's New Geology a "life-changing experience", and joined the Deluge Geology Society. His book That You Might Believe for college students included Price's flood geology, and was published in 1946.’

Morris wrote many subsequent books including The Genesis Flood. What is real funny is that many Young Earth Creationists do not even know of the Seventh-Day Adventist connection. Those that do are in denial on the matter, as they are on science.

 

[valiant]

You don't even know what my views are. It is little wonder though that you do not understand. I have not pointed out once on this forum that the Bible should not be taken literally, but I have always said the Bible must be taken literally.

I have a very good idea of what your views are. I am very familiar with all views on the second coming. And none of them ACTUALLY take the Bible literally. They read into it what they want, twist the Greek when it suits them, and fit the Bible into their views

Then you would believe what they wrote and spoke of instead of trying to distort their words to make them into lies.

I believe what they wrote, I just don't believe what you say they wrote.

What church is the American Church? I am not a member of any church of stone, but I am a Christian because I have read the Bible and I believe what is written therein and I also know what is written therein is truth.

The American church is all believers in America whether they worship in stone buildings or not. All true Christians have read the Bible, believe what is written in it, and know that what is written in it is truth. So you are simply saying you are like all the rest . That does not make you right

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

you need to be careful about making insinuations against members of Christ's body. In so doing you are insinuating against Christ Himself.

 

[valiant]

You have to take the Bible literally to understand the Bible because the Bible says there is no private interpretation of the Bible.

But you don't take it literally. You take it according to your preconceived notions. Your last clause is a good example of it. When Peter said it was of no private interpretation he was talking about the people who wrote it. He was saying that it was not their private thoughts and interpretation, but the thoughts of the Holy Spirit.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I have a very good idea of what your views are. I am very familiar with all views on the second coming. And none of them ACTUALLY take the Bible literally. They read into it what they want, twist the Greek when it suits them, and fit the Bible into their views




I believe what they wrote, I just don't believe what you say they wrote.



The American church is all believers in America whether they worship in stone buildings or not. All true Christians have read the Bible, believe what is written in it, and know that what is written in it is truth. So you are simply saying you are like all the rest . That does not make you right



you need to be careful about making insinuations against members of Christ's body. In so doing you are insinuating against Christ Himself.

I say whatever is written in the Bible about the end of days is the truth and that is what I wrote.

If you were in Christ's body you would believe what he said and what his servants said. You would not try to change the truth for lies. Thereby I do know you are not. Nevertheless, if you would like to be all you have to do is believe.