The Sad Lives Of Legalists And Sinless Perfectionists
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Funny thing is when you guys get your dander all up and out of control over "works," you ONLY stipulate the works that are a fruit of salvation when you are called on your condemnation of all things related to "works."
Have read through the comments here twice now, and continue to see that "works" (without specification) are condemned as the false teachings of legalists............UNTIL you guys are called on your teachings, and then you back peddle to say that works which are the fruit of salvation are ok.
Even then, none of you dare to explicitly state what importance these "works/fruits" play in the life of a Christian. Just kind of a "brush over acceptance" of them, and then back to the same old drum beat.
Have read through the comments here twice now, and continue to see that "works" (without specification) are condemned as the false teachings of legalists............UNTIL you guys are called on your teachings, and then you back peddle to say that works which are the fruit of salvation are ok.
Even then, none of you dare to explicitly state what importance these "works/fruits" play in the life of a Christian. Just kind of a "brush over acceptance" of them, and then back to the same old drum beat.
Wow I thought I just did specify in my post as follows:
"If you read my previous post you would have seen that I said there are works....and works. There are works of the flesh that will never secure salvation...and then there are works that follow salvation: the second kind are the works we are called to in the Ephesians verses you quoted.
By grace we are saved, through faith, not of works (the first kind) lest any man should boast. But being born again it means that WE are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works (the second kind) which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
If we walk in the Spirit the works of the Spirit are the inevitable outcome. Of COURSE these works are important, they are what our lives consist of now, but Paul admonishes us to prove our OWN work so that we have rejoicing in ourselves, and not in another, Galatians 6:4. We each have our own burden of work to bear in the body of Christ, which is the content of our ministry. We don't generally go around telling everyone what we have been doing for the Lord because we know that if it is His work, He will confirm it to us privately and sometimes publicly for our comfort and encouragement.
The importance of this personally is to show that we are on the right track; that our thinking and our doing are one with the Lord's thinking and doing, which comforts us that we are indeed the children of God, being obedient to His inner promptings as we should.
This is very important for our growth because we know then that they are HIS works and therefore there is no place for boasting, only praising the awesome God Who saved a lowly people for His glory.
Finally this is massively important to God because He loves it when His children hear Him and go and do what He asked of them. It is obedience that springs from the loving heart of God, in the Spirit, and not the cold heart of duty according to the letter.
"If you read my previous post you would have seen that I said there are works....and works. There are works of the flesh that will never secure salvation...and then there are works that follow salvation: the second kind are the works we are called to in the Ephesians verses you quoted.
By grace we are saved, through faith, not of works (the first kind) lest any man should boast. But being born again it means that WE are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works (the second kind) which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
If we walk in the Spirit the works of the Spirit are the inevitable outcome. Of COURSE these works are important, they are what our lives consist of now, but Paul admonishes us to prove our OWN work so that we have rejoicing in ourselves, and not in another, Galatians 6:4. We each have our own burden of work to bear in the body of Christ, which is the content of our ministry. We don't generally go around telling everyone what we have been doing for the Lord because we know that if it is His work, He will confirm it to us privately and sometimes publicly for our comfort and encouragement.
The importance of this personally is to show that we are on the right track; that our thinking and our doing are one with the Lord's thinking and doing, which comforts us that we are indeed the children of God, being obedient to His inner promptings as we should.
This is very important for our growth because we know then that they are HIS works and therefore there is no place for boasting, only praising the awesome God Who saved a lowly people for His glory.
Finally this is massively important to God because He loves it when His children hear Him and go and do what He asked of them. It is obedience that springs from the loving heart of God, in the Spirit, and not the cold heart of duty according to the letter.
Good thoughts............and I agree with you...........however, this stands in stark contrast to what several here teach about "works." Were I to post this comment of yours, I would immediately be labeled a "Legalist." However, I suspect they will not label you as such.
Anytime anyone states that "fruitful works" and "obedience" are necessary for a Christian's walk with Christ, they are accused of teaching "works salvation," and labeled a "Legalist," and worse.
Anytime anyone states that "fruitful works" and "obedience" are necessary for a Christian's walk with Christ, they are accused of teaching "works salvation," and labeled a "Legalist," and worse.
Well Jason, did Jesus pay for the sins of the whole world, or did He not? Did He only pay for the sins of the world up until 33AD?
Or, are they paid for only up to the point of salvation, and we then must earn our way from there?
You are sounding more and more like a Mormon.
Oh, and as far as that "separation" thing.....
"For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:38,39)
Have to admit, I'm still smiling over this post. Goodness..........
1) The "faith" James is speaking of is found in John 3:16, as well as in Ephesians 2:8-10, and many other places in Scripture. The "works" James is speaking of are the "works" that are a "fruit of salvation." Don't know how anyone could not understand that, but - I suppose anything is possible.
2) I can not believe you actually posted this comment about Corinthians, for your comment suggests that the Epistle to the church at Corinth is ONLY FOR that particular congregation. The end result being that 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and all other Epistles addressed to a particular church/congregation ARE NOT to be understood as being relevant to the Church today. The end result of such a belief is that these Epistles can be removed from the Bible, for (other than Historic value) they have no meaning for the Church today.
3) As for "unfaithful saved," I can only smile. Until I researched to find out where such a concept would come from, I was puzzled why anyone would believe such a thing, for it is surely an "oxymoron" if ever there was one. However, when I found the Websites that taught such a concept.............They are so off the wall that I won't even post the links to them here. Any who want to view them can do a "search" of [will unfaithful saved be in heaven].
4) As for "context," the Scriptures provided are not a mystery that need be revealed. They speak for themselves, and context is contained within them. It's not like I just posted a "one liner" Scripture........rather a passage of Scriptures......
I do not know which is more disturbing: Your ideology, or the fact that three people actually "liked" your post.
1) The "faith" James is speaking of is found in John 3:16, as well as in Ephesians 2:8-10, and many other places in Scripture. The "works" James is speaking of are the "works" that are a "fruit of salvation." Don't know how anyone could not understand that, but - I suppose anything is possible.
2) I can not believe you actually posted this comment about Corinthians, for your comment suggests that the Epistle to the church at Corinth is ONLY FOR that particular congregation. The end result being that 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and all other Epistles addressed to a particular church/congregation ARE NOT to be understood as being relevant to the Church today. The end result of such a belief is that these Epistles can be removed from the Bible, for (other than Historic value) they have no meaning for the Church today.
3) As for "unfaithful saved," I can only smile. Until I researched to find out where such a concept would come from, I was puzzled why anyone would believe such a thing, for it is surely an "oxymoron" if ever there was one. However, when I found the Websites that taught such a concept.............They are so off the wall that I won't even post the links to them here. Any who want to view them can do a "search" of [will unfaithful saved be in heaven].
4) As for "context," the Scriptures provided are not a mystery that need be revealed. They speak for themselves, and context is contained within them. It's not like I just posted a "one liner" Scripture........rather a passage of Scriptures......
I do not know which is more disturbing: Your ideology, or the fact that three people actually "liked" your post.
Well, 2 Timothy 2:13 does not prove OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved).
Here is what the passage says:
2 Timothy 2:13:
“if we are faithless, he remains faithful– for he cannot deny himself.” (ESV)
In fact, this verse is usually quoted with little or no commentary, as the verse by itself appears to support the notion that even if we are without faith (i.e., unbelieving), God will still give us eternal life. But what OSAS proponents fail to do is consider the surrounding verses, and it’s obvious as to why they do this, as the surrounding text contains two statements against the doctrine of OSAS. The verse immediately prior, verse 12, says:
“if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;” (2 Timothy 2:12, ESV)
The first statement, if we endure, we will also reign with him has the obvious implication that if we don’t endure, we will not reign with him. And the second statement if we deny him, he also will deny us is a pretty clear statement meaning exactly that.
But all that aside, it’s important to notice what the OSAS proof text doesn’t say, viz., it does not say that God remains faithful to the faithless person; it simply says that God remains faithful. But that begs the question, To whom does God remain faithful? The very verse in question answers… “for he cannot deny himself”. So it seems reasonable to conclude that God remains faithful to Himself. So if a believer becomes an unbeliever, God will remain faithful to his promises to punish the unbeliever.
For example:
Ezekiel 18:26 - “When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.”
Romans 11:20-22 - “That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.”
God remains faithful; He will not break His promises.
Verdict: 2 Timothy 2:13 does not prove OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved).
Here is what the passage says:
2 Timothy 2:13:
“if we are faithless, he remains faithful– for he cannot deny himself.” (ESV)
In fact, this verse is usually quoted with little or no commentary, as the verse by itself appears to support the notion that even if we are without faith (i.e., unbelieving), God will still give us eternal life. But what OSAS proponents fail to do is consider the surrounding verses, and it’s obvious as to why they do this, as the surrounding text contains two statements against the doctrine of OSAS. The verse immediately prior, verse 12, says:
“if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;” (2 Timothy 2:12, ESV)
The first statement, if we endure, we will also reign with him has the obvious implication that if we don’t endure, we will not reign with him. And the second statement if we deny him, he also will deny us is a pretty clear statement meaning exactly that.
But all that aside, it’s important to notice what the OSAS proof text doesn’t say, viz., it does not say that God remains faithful to the faithless person; it simply says that God remains faithful. But that begs the question, To whom does God remain faithful? The very verse in question answers… “for he cannot deny himself”. So it seems reasonable to conclude that God remains faithful to Himself. So if a believer becomes an unbeliever, God will remain faithful to his promises to punish the unbeliever.
For example:
Ezekiel 18:26 - “When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.”
Romans 11:20-22 - “That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.”
God remains faithful; He will not break His promises.
Verdict: 2 Timothy 2:13 does not prove OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved).
First, just because Jesus paid the sins of the entire world, does not mean everyone is forgiven. A person has to take action in order to receive the Lord. They also have to choose this day (every day) in whom they will serve from that point on, too. For a one time decision to accept Christ does not mean that a person cannot choose to stop following Christ.
Second, I am not a Mormon or of any kind of cult group that seeks to add another holy book to the Bible. I am merely a Bible believing Christian who seeks to make the Word of God my spiritual authority alone in all I say and do.
Third, if you were to pay careful close attention to the entire passage at the end of Romans 8 in relation those things that cannot separate you from Christ. You would see one thing that is missing on that list of things that cannot separate you from Christ is. ..... "Yourself."
For nowhere does Christ force salvation upon someone.
Second, I am not a Mormon or of any kind of cult group that seeks to add another holy book to the Bible. I am merely a Bible believing Christian who seeks to make the Word of God my spiritual authority alone in all I say and do.
Third, if you were to pay careful close attention to the entire passage at the end of Romans 8 in relation those things that cannot separate you from Christ. You would see one thing that is missing on that list of things that cannot separate you from Christ is. ..... "Yourself."
For nowhere does Christ force salvation upon someone.
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John 6:
vs 35 - 40 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed,and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
s 67 - 71 - Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
The gospel is not a hard message, it is easy, It is the pride of man which makes it heard.
Here we have Jesus giving the gospel in all its glory, and even some of jesus own disciples could not understand it or believe. Pride is a hard thing to break. That why God has to sometimes break it for us, lets all pray God will break the pride of these legalists, and they can join us in the promises Jesus himself made to his disciples on this day (and us) here in John 6.
vs 35 - 40 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed,and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
s 67 - 71 - Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
The gospel is not a hard message, it is easy, It is the pride of man which makes it heard.
Here we have Jesus giving the gospel in all its glory, and even some of jesus own disciples could not understand it or believe. Pride is a hard thing to break. That why God has to sometimes break it for us, lets all pray God will break the pride of these legalists, and they can join us in the promises Jesus himself made to his disciples on this day (and us) here in John 6.
This is the false notion that all beleivers will in time do good. But is that really what the Bible teaches? No. How do we know? Who was Jesus speaking to in Matthew 6:15? Was he talking to unbelievers or believers? If Jesus was talking to unbelievers then how can his message of not forgiving others be applied to them if they do not believe? So we realize that Matthew 6:15 is talking to believers only. This is important to understand because Jesus says that if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven.
How about a child molester Jason?
How about a serial murderer Jason?
You argue in favour of sin just like the rest of them.
One does not "trip over" and get drunk. Getting drunk is a choice and drunkards will not inherit the kingdom. Don't deceive yourself.
Abiding in Jesus Christ is the antithesis to going out and getting drunk, even a single time. Likewise with theft, murder, sexual sin.
The only sin ever permissible for the genuine Christian is a sin of ignorance.
The sin defenders on this board argue in favour of being able to willfully sin against God (rebellion) and at the same time be in a reconciled state with God. They argue in favour of being able to sin and not surely die and it is very clear that you argue in favour of the same thing Jason.
How about a serial murderer Jason?
You argue in favour of sin just like the rest of them.
One does not "trip over" and get drunk. Getting drunk is a choice and drunkards will not inherit the kingdom. Don't deceive yourself.
Abiding in Jesus Christ is the antithesis to going out and getting drunk, even a single time. Likewise with theft, murder, sexual sin.
The only sin ever permissible for the genuine Christian is a sin of ignorance.
The sin defenders on this board argue in favour of being able to willfully sin against God (rebellion) and at the same time be in a reconciled state with God. They argue in favour of being able to sin and not surely die and it is very clear that you argue in favour of the same thing Jason.
Those who drink of his blood and eat of his flesh have eternal life. What does eat of his flesh refer to in John chapter 6? Well, if you were to skip back to John chapter 4, we learn that Christ's meat is to do the will of the Father; And Jesus always did what His Father told Him to do. This is a parallel of how we are supposed to always do what Christ commands of us. For Jesus says his mother and his brothers are those that do the will of the Father. This can only be good and holy works because the Father is Holy and good.
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here is another one who excuses his sin.
news flash, the sin of ignorance is not permissible. Unless you think all who lived before the law were ok in their sin, because they did it in ignorance (the law had not yet been given to show them what sin was)
I do not think God flooded the earth because all these people were walking around in ignorant sin. he flooded the earth because these peopel walked around in sin, and loved it more than God.
it is actually funny you and Jason fight, I can see you both for eternity angry over all those sins you thought were ok, where if you just looked at the lae with an open mind and heart, you would have seen, NO SIN IS EVER OK. AND ALL SIN APART FROM GRACE SEPARATES US FROM GODS LOVE.
news flash, the sin of ignorance is not permissible. Unless you think all who lived before the law were ok in their sin, because they did it in ignorance (the law had not yet been given to show them what sin was)
I do not think God flooded the earth because all these people were walking around in ignorant sin. he flooded the earth because these peopel walked around in sin, and loved it more than God.
it is actually funny you and Jason fight, I can see you both for eternity angry over all those sins you thought were ok, where if you just looked at the lae with an open mind and heart, you would have seen, NO SIN IS EVER OK. AND ALL SIN APART FROM GRACE SEPARATES US FROM GODS LOVE.
The will of God is that people repent and turn from their sin, (ie. they stop choosing to do known evil, they cease from rebelling against the light).
Conduct matters and conduct is a reflection of the heart.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Only those who walk according to the will of God are to be found in peace, without spot, and blameless, having truly repented, having turned from evil, having been cleansed of past rebellion.
Peter rhetorically asks, "what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness." Well what manner of people ought we be in ALL holy conduct and godliness?
We ought to fit the standard Jesus described in the Sermon on the Mount.
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
We are to be the light of the world.
Being a light to the world means we don't hate our brother, not do we lust in the heart. Not only do we not commit adultery and not only do we not commit murder, we neither do these things in our heart either.
We are to be a peculiar people, pure and zealous of righteousness. We both love God and love our neighbour.
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
The sin defenders deny the very words of Jesus. The sin defenders never uphold that the standard of righteousness taught by Jesus is to be a manifest reality in the life of the true follower of Christ. Instead they teach a fake religion where their standard is positional only, a position which serves as a cloak for manifest wickedness. They defend ongoing wickedness and they think that somehow "trusting in Jesus" (whilst still disobeying Him) reaps salvation.
Conduct matters and conduct is a reflection of the heart.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Only those who walk according to the will of God are to be found in peace, without spot, and blameless, having truly repented, having turned from evil, having been cleansed of past rebellion.
Peter rhetorically asks, "what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness." Well what manner of people ought we be in ALL holy conduct and godliness?
We ought to fit the standard Jesus described in the Sermon on the Mount.
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
We are to be the light of the world.
Being a light to the world means we don't hate our brother, not do we lust in the heart. Not only do we not commit adultery and not only do we not commit murder, we neither do these things in our heart either.
We are to be a peculiar people, pure and zealous of righteousness. We both love God and love our neighbour.
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
The sin defenders deny the very words of Jesus. The sin defenders never uphold that the standard of righteousness taught by Jesus is to be a manifest reality in the life of the true follower of Christ. Instead they teach a fake religion where their standard is positional only, a position which serves as a cloak for manifest wickedness. They defend ongoing wickedness and they think that somehow "trusting in Jesus" (whilst still disobeying Him) reaps salvation.
Where in the world did I ever say that?
Listen, friend. I believe a saint is supposed to stop sinning or otherwise they are a slave to sin. But that does not mean God's people have not sinned in their walk with God. God's grace is there for those who honestly do stumble on their road to recovery in being sober. Not as a license for them to keep sinning and confessing and sinning and confessing as some kind of endless cycle. No, no. Most certainly not. But God's grace is there for those who want to actually put away sin for good in their life. For if you are going to accuse me that a believer cannot honestly stumble on their road to walking with God in righteousness, then you just have not read the Bible. Luke 18:9-14 talks about the man who cried out to God to have mercy on him. David committed adultery and murder but was forgiven because he confessed his sin.
David willingly sinned against God. He said so himself (See 2 Samuel 12:13).
No way, dear sir. Nowhere did I say that a believer can live like a Catholic whereby they can sin and then confess and sin and then confess as if they can get away with their sin. Confession is so that one can be CLEANSED of ALL their unrighteousness. So please stop accusing me falsely in what I believe.
Listen, friend. I believe a saint is supposed to stop sinning or otherwise they are a slave to sin. But that does not mean God's people have not sinned in their walk with God. God's grace is there for those who honestly do stumble on their road to recovery in being sober. Not as a license for them to keep sinning and confessing and sinning and confessing as some kind of endless cycle. No, no. Most certainly not. But God's grace is there for those who want to actually put away sin for good in their life. For if you are going to accuse me that a believer cannot honestly stumble on their road to walking with God in righteousness, then you just have not read the Bible. Luke 18:9-14 talks about the man who cried out to God to have mercy on him. David committed adultery and murder but was forgiven because he confessed his sin.
David willingly sinned against God. He said so himself (See 2 Samuel 12:13).
No way, dear sir. Nowhere did I say that a believer can live like a Catholic whereby they can sin and then confess and sin and then confess as if they can get away with their sin. Confession is so that one can be CLEANSED of ALL their unrighteousness. So please stop accusing me falsely in what I believe.