Why do you think Christ said I pray not for the world, John 17:9

[atwhatcost]

This is the most touching prayer by Christ. He died for the entire World, and not only that, but said he's gone to prepare a place for us, in his Kingdom, a work that has been fulfilled on earth, and being fulfilled in God's Kingdom.
Why would he say, "in verse 9" I pray not for the world, but then I pray for those who will be called." Are we not to pray for the lost, or not. Sometimes in different bible translations, this could be a problem, as wording the exact words of the Lord. Ty. ​

If he died for the entire world, the entire world is saved. He defined who he was praying for in the partial verse you gave and throughout that whole prayer he was praying in that chapter.

 

[jkalyna]

I believe that we should not pray for the world, but for the holy ones, who seek the will of God.

Yeshua do die for the people's of the world, so that we may now live trough him, but in his prayer, he pray only for his follower's.

I believe that we should not pray for them, who do sin in purpose.

16. If any man see his brother sinning a sin not unto death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: not concerning this do I say that he should make request. 17. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (1 John 5:16-17)

I agree, if were lead to avoid evil, then in all wise do so, if were lead to pray conviction to fall onto them, so be it, and leave it at that. We were told pray least we fall into temptations, and the Job was already done, Christ was ressurected from death unto life, and there is nothing we can do, to change someone in our own strength. Only the power of the HOly spirit, will and that door needs to be opened, willingly to seek him, "seek me with all your heart and you shall find me." I gave a tract to someone once and she threw it on the ground." You very well know that verse, "don't throw your pearls before the swine, least they turn on you, and trample you, and tear you into pieces. " This doesn't sound like someone I would want to be a friend of. Prayers of conviction, asking God to intercede, and then let go, and let him do his work, if we believe just as "the prayers of a righteous man availeth much, even unto the pulling down of strongholds." Spiritual evils, somethings we can not do in our own humanness.

 

[jkalyna]

I pray for them - In view of the dangers and trials they world go through, he sought the protection and blessing of God for them.

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. John16:2

I pray not for the world - the inhabitants of it, the carnal unbelieving part of the world (i.e. people that will never accept the truth), that live in sin, and will be condemned.

I want to show some of my emotion here. I feel sorry for those without Christ, so many are in torment, and fear causes that, torment is another word for torture. Any wonder many are turning to drugs, just to get away from it, though it is a temporary thing, just as lust is temporary, the Love of God is everlasting. There are 11 million people going through the jailbase.com every year, this is saying something. Religion has failed, church has failed. But Love never faileth. Corinthians 13. If some people watch how some so called believers live, they run the other way, for religion is bondage, Christ is not a religion. It's a relationship. So many are bound, just as the boy who sat among the tomb stones and cut himself, and yet when Jesus came, he did not attack him even being full of demons, it said he had legions, of them thousands, he might of been praying, and believing to be set free, it's a choice, and he was set free from all those unclean spirits, yet some do not want it, they want to stay in the bondage, it's their choice of their will.

 

[atwhatcost]

I agree, if were lead to avoid evil, then in all wise do so, if were lead to pray conviction to fall onto them, so be it, and leave it at that. We were told pray least we fall into temptations, and the Job was already done, Christ was ressurected from death unto life, and there is nothing we can do, to change someone in our own strength. Only the power of the HOly spirit, will and that door needs to be opened, willingly to seek him, "seek me with all your heart and you shall find me." I gave a tract to someone once and she threw it on the ground." You very well know that verse, "don't throw your pearls before the swine, least they turn on you, and trample you, and tear you into pieces. " This doesn't sound like someone I would want to be a friend of. Prayers of conviction, asking God to intercede, and then let go, and let him do his work, if we believe just as "the prayers of a righteous man availeth much, even unto the pulling down of strongholds." Spiritual evils, somethings we can not do in our own humanness.

Tracts aren't pearls. Most of them are propaganda, so the person handing them out feels good about himself.herself while avoiding conversing with anyone. I tend to take them to throw them away later, happy that at least one was not used on someone for the wrong purposes.

 

[jkalyna]

I really like that song, especially sung by Carman.

Me too Carmen was tough, him I don't forget, even with his white gloves, and singing without words. It was loud and clear, from his spirit. I think it was Carmen, with those white gloves. was long ago.,,,,

 

[jkalyna]

Tracts aren't pearls. Most of them are propaganda, so the person handing them out feels good about himself.herself while avoiding conversing with anyone. I tend to take them to throw them away later, happy that at least one was not used on someone for the wrong purposes.

That's true, Once my little girl 2 at the time came out of Sunday School with a black piece of paper, with nothing on it, I said, what's this? So it is with paper, it's paper, but expressing Love is different, I know what you mean.

 

[jkalyna]

How much more can God do to show his love to mankind? What does it take to get the message across? What has been undone that needs to be done? The answer nothing. As the song go​es ..you came from heaven to earth to show the way...from the earth to the cross my debt to pay......from the cross to the grave.....from the grave to the sky....Lord we lift your name on high........only a fool says in his heart...there is no God.

I don't know. It says, "many are called. Do you think not everyone is called. I think everyone is called according to John 3:16, were all called, "Come Home Prodigal son, daughter, come home." I know if people weren't praying for me, I wouldn't be here, so we should pray for the unsaved, conviction, and believe me, there is Great Strength when it is coming from a Creator almighty God. CONVICTION, could be a lengthy sentence of a lesson maybe even years, till death, that moment before they close their eyes, that conviction will be there, for them to choose, or other, until that one falls to their knees, some never do, but it is a POWERFUL SENTENCE upon someone.

 

[jkalyna]

This is Jesus's conclusion prayer. The whole point of everything, creation, dying on the cross, everything was to bring the obedient out of the world to God. And as He said, we are still in the world, but we are not of the world. The world, including evil people, will be destroyed, and we will all be one with God forever because of what Christ did. So He is proclaiming this- He did the work the Father sent Him to do, and these are the results- He lost none that the Father put into His care, except judas- that scripture might be fulfilled. This is a prayer referencing the end result, the only persons that will matter in the end- that's why in this prayer He is not praying for the world, but for all who will be one with Him for eternity.

I need to go and pray and rest now,but so many sowing their wild oats, and the wheat and the weeds, get mingled together, but the truth is, when Christ Jesus returns, or we stand before his Judgement seat, as he is sitting on the Right hand of the Father, it says, he will separate the Wheat from the Weeds, and the Goats from the Lambs. I will say this though. We don't know men's hearts. Only God does. It dosn't matter if they don't go to our church, or church. Jesus said, John 17 same chapter were discussing, "I didn't come into this world to Judge it." He never did, but once overturned the tables in the temple, with their goods, they were selling and all their money.
I used to walk a lot, when my little girl was little with the stroller, one day, it was so hot, and my face was so red, a lady across the street, that I didn't know, said to me your face is all red, "let me give you a ride home." I thought, right, with a huge stroller, bags, etc. I said it's okay, I'll walk the rest of the way. It was so hot, I almost couldn't make it, but before I left she told me this. I'm going to pray for you, that God gives you a car. I think at that time it was broken, way's back, and she said, a Red One. I asked her why was she sitting out in the back for, she said her grandmother passed away, and she was selling things. Yard sale.
Her words touched my heart, so much, that it gave me strengh to know a complete stranger would care enough, and not only that to tell me she was going to pray for me. The Lord did give me a Red car. I don't like to Judge people. I hate that, because people are just people, were not any different. Just because that lady didn't go to a church where I knew her, no one even talked to me in such love at any church, God looks on the heart of man. We tend to Judge. With this, have a good nite. Gotta run.

 

[MarcR]

Nuggets of Wisdom once again. Ty. You know I didn't see it like that, Jesus always, looked at things from a spiritual perspective, Peter looked at the storm, Jesus disregarded that as being inferior to our faith. This probably is the clearest understanding. The world, has it's own set of values, keys, that only open doors to endless problems, prayer is the key to heaven, and faith unlocks it's door. Wish more people would love the Lord, so many are walking around looking miserable, and without any hope. "I've come that they would have LIFE, and more abundantly. His Joy unspeakable and full of his Glory. I can see it now. TY.

I'm glad I could help.

 

[jkalyna]

I believe that we should not pray for the world, but for the holy ones, who seek the will of God.

Yeshua do die for the people's of the world, so that we may now live trough him, but in his prayer, he pray only for his follower's.

I believe that we should not pray for them, who do sin in purpose.

16. If any man see his brother sinning a sin not unto death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: not concerning this do I say that he should make request. 17. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (1 John 5:16-17)

Well this certainly was educating for me. I got off here and found out I was being discouraged, and that some believers don't want to pray, some do , and some don't lol this topic has really been funny, and educationally wise, but I learned lol alot really, one thing I do know is that the Lord talks a lot in parables, maybe we just don't understand the language. TY for all the imputs. I hope we are right somewhere along in time, time will tell, as we dig deep into the word.

 

[jkalyna]

I'm glad I could help.

Yes you did. Twice, is really a nice blessing. Thank you.

 

[resurrection33]

This is the most touching prayer by Christ. He died for the entire World, and not only that, but said he's gone to prepare a place for us, in his Kingdom, a work that has been fulfilled on earth, and being fulfilled in God's Kingdom.
Why would he say, "in verse 9" I pray not for the world, but then I pray for those who will be called." Are we not to pray for the lost, or not. Sometimes in different bible translations, this could be a problem, as wording the exact words of the Lord. Ty. ​

The Lord died for all those who believe in him. As for those who don't believe in him, they are on their own. Right?

 

[jkalyna]

The Lord died for all those who believe in him. As for those who don't believe in him, they are on their own. Right?

I don't know but I know they are not on the right road, without him. Wide is the Road, and many go there on, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life, and peace, and few there be,,

 

[jkalyna]

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[jkalyna]

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[jkalyna]

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This is wise. Only few find it. Look at this from this point, Christ came into the world, as a light, he said the whole world layeth in darkness, because of the fall and separation from God's blessings, the first words Adam said, when he sinned were " I was afraid," so it might not be easy to find your way out of a darkness, within the spirit man, but those who do find a way out, it is because of his light, they came out of the darkness.

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

This is the most touching prayer by Christ. He died for the entire World, and not only that, but said he's gone to prepare a place for us, in his Kingdom, a work that has been fulfilled on earth, and being fulfilled in God's Kingdom.
Why would he say, "in verse 9" I pray not for the world, but then I pray for those who will be called." Are we not to pray for the lost, or not. Sometimes in different bible translations, this could be a problem, as wording the exact words of the Lord. Ty. ​

Earlier I write that we should not pray for the wicked, but I have to come in second thought, that we should pray for every man, but also we should pray like a servant's of God, but not like one of the wicked.

The line must be there.

And when the scripture tells that our Lord pray not for the world?

I believe that he means the government of Satan, which are here also in our time, but for the people's we should pray, but not for the world, because the prince of this worlds judged. (John 16:11)

 

[Utah]

A few years ago in Atlanta, Ga, a man on trial killed a few court officers and escaped. Shortly afterward he took a hostage and had no problem with the thought of killing her. She talked with him about Jesus. She prayed with him and for him. He gave his life to Christ right there and then and surrendered without further incident.

You better believe we are to pray for the world. Do we pray for the world every time we pray? I don't, but I do pray for the world nonetheless. How can we go about fulfilling the Great Commission without praying for the world?

 

[jkalyna]

A few years ago in Atlanta, Ga, a man on trial killed a few court officers and escaped. Shortly afterward he took a hostage and had no problem with the thought of killing her. She talked with him about Jesus. She prayed with him and for him. He gave his life to Christ right there and then and surrendered without further incident.

You better believe we are to pray for the world. Do we pray for the world every time we pray? I don't, but I do pray for the world nonetheless. How can we go about fulfilling the Great Commission without praying for the world?

your berry right, someone explained it here very well, brother Marc, Thank's brother Marc.

 

[jkalyna]

Earlier I write that we should not pray for the wicked, but I have to come in second thought, that we should pray for every man, but also we should pray like a servant's of God, but not like one of the wicked.

The line must be there.

And when the scripture tells that our Lord pray not for the world?

I believe that he means the government of Satan, which are here also in our time, but for the people's we should pray, but not for the world, because the prince of this worlds judged. (John 16:11)

I know me too, it's like warm breaking of the bread, every one brings different butter's and jams., and we share. The best part.