Why every world map you're looking at is WRONG

[posthuman]

Lol, and yet it never moves. Though try cloud watching for a few days. It's another good and simple experiment. If the earth were spinning the clouds would move in only one direction, they would also move very fast.

no they wouldn't. why should they? there isn't anything in outer space to produce a frictional force causing them to move. winds are driven by heat exchange, not rotational torsion. if rotation was what caused wind, on a flat stationary earth there would be no wind whatsoever.

guess why prop-planes can't fly past a certain altitude?

 

[Jimbone]

it's not that.

i have a degree in physics. i can explain every single one of those perceived "problems" you mentioned - which are not problems at all, but badly misapplied physics, ignorance of physical phenomena, willfully deceptive presentation of information and in some cases outright lies.

it's "how much time and energy do i want to waste explaining fundamental science to someone who is not interested in grasping it and won't believe me anyway" ?
see, how many times do i need to post to GodIsSalvation that there is nothing in space producing friction - so all of his argument is unfounded? because his mind is already made up, and no amount of factual truth is going to dissuade him. he's convinced that this "obvious flaw" is something no one in the last 5,000 years ever thought of, i guess. probably there's just some sense of pride in thinking you've got it right and everyone else is wrong. who knows?

but it's a waste of time for me, i think. it's not that i don't have any answer. a person just gets tired of talking to a brick wall that thinks it's a giraffe after a while, trying patiently to explain that it's actually a brick wall. it keeps acting just like a brick wall saying "i'm a giraffe!" no matter what evidence you present it -- and it gets to be exactly like "talking to a brick wall" after a certain point, and you realize that there are much better things you could be doing with your life, and that Proverbs is full of advice against talking to a fool, and even though you don't want to say "you're a fool" you don't have any other ready explanation for a brick wall thinking it's a giraffe, so you figure you ought to just walk away. the only thing is -- a brick wall that thinks it's a giraffe is interesting in a disturbing sort of way, because you certainly don't run into one of those very often, so there you are acting like a fool yourself, engaging it some more when you know already it's a waste of time.

anyway -- you want to prove to me that the earth is flat and does not rotate?
explain in detail why a focault's pendulum works, and why it precesses with a predictable deflection by latitude and is unaffected by longitude.

looking forward to that challenge being ignored

Dang I wasn't aiming that comment at you, I was really making more of a general statement, and I was also not saying that I 100% agreed with Godissalvation either. I also wasn't trying to prove anything to you or anyone, I am NOT an academic of any kind, heck they kicked me out of High School. I don't even know what Foucault’s Pendulum is, but I wouldn't mind learning though. As a matter of fact I will be looking it up as soon as I finish this comment. I'm sorry if what I said seemed like I was addressing you particularly, and I know I don't know much of anything for sure besides our God is real and Jesus is our savior, and I am very slow to trust ANYTHING men tell me, even stuff that's been "proven" by all the experts. I guess you can be happy about the mocking comment "looking forward to that challenge being ignored", because I don't even know what it is let alone is it can be refuted, so I guess your superior position wins. Cool you beat a high school reject, congrats you’re smarter.

BTW you misspelled "Foucault"

 

[tourist]

Should l trash my Disneyworld map?

Disney's obsession with world domination is sickening.

Depends on how the map is folded.

 

[posthuman]

Dang I wasn't aiming that comment at you, I was really making more of a general statement, and I was also not saying that I 100% agreed with Godissalvation either. I also wasn't trying to prove anything to you or anyone, I am NOT an academic of any kind, heck they kicked me out of High School. I don't even know what Foucault’s Pendulum is, but I wouldn't mind learning though. As a matter of fact I will be looking it up as soon as I finish this comment. I'm sorry if what I said seemed like I was addressing you particularly, and I know I don't know much of anything for sure besides our God is real and Jesus is our savior, and I am very slow to trust ANYTHING men tell me, even stuff that's been "proven" by all the experts. I guess you can be happy about the mocking comment "looking forward to that challenge being ignored", because I don't even know what it is let alone is it can be refuted, so I guess your superior position wins. Cool you beat a high school reject, congrats you’re smarter.

no offense taken -- i didn't really think you were aiming it at me -- and sorry! i didn't mean you!

it's GodIsSalvation i want to explain how a focault's pendulum works, in his universe -- since he's got it all figured out

i already know that it does things that are impossible to explain satisfactorily on a flat, stationary earth -- so i'm expecting him not to answer me.

 

[tourist]

This is something I found out years ago. Personally I find some of the map errors to be frankly hilarious.

The reason they can't make an accurate map is because they're trying to display the flat earth as a globe, which creates distortions.

What countries or oceans are on the edges of the flat earth? Where do you go if you jump off the edge?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

@posthuman Firstly on the spin. You ignore that there'd be friction between the sky and the earth. If the earth is spinning then there will be friction between the sky and the earth. You can even add in space as well, if you want to heap on the impossibility of the spin.

On the Foucault's Pendulum. Lol I was waiting for this one, I quite thought ya'll jump on it sooner. Firstly Foucault's Pendulum produces varying and random results, which means it cannot be trusted for accuracy. Secondly, the fact Foucault's pendulum never returns to the point of the origin of its swing actually proves rather that the earth does not spin at all. Thirdly, most modern versions of the pendulum, but not all, especially those in universities, are actually guided by magnets and motorized parts, which proves not only that the pendulum is flawed, but also proves there is a deliberate deception to make them seem valid.

Aside from this there are some compromisers that would theorize that a moving universe would also influence the pendulum on a stationary earth. Neverthless, I find it to be an unnecessary compromise since the pendulum is all ready unreliable to begin with having both random and varying results as well as being manipulated mechanically. Therefore my conclusion is that the pendulum, like most elaborate devices which are used to try to provide the illusion of a spinning earth, are lying signs and wonders created to try to disprove or cast doubt on the Bible.


However seeing as you have mentioned a plomb, here is something for you to consider.
https://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/FlatEarth/

"Plumb bobs point to the center of a spherical Earth, so buildings would be
wider at the top than at the bottom. "

A little bit of background on the device called the plumb bob.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumb_bob

Also one could consider, if the earth were a sphere and you set these devices up with the top 5 feet apart, that at the bottom they'd be closer together. This never occurs at all though in the real world though and the bottoms of the devices would be as far apart as the top (in the example, 5 feet).

Also all that is assuming there is no spin and it disproves the spherical myth. If you even account for the spin these things could never be motionless, and yet, they are which proves both that the earth is not a sphere and that the earth does not spin. Which again supports and proves that the Bible is 100% correct about cosmology.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I know when I first heard this I was the same way as most here. There's just no way, we've proved that a LONG time ago, and to be clear from the jump I'm not at a place where I feel the earth is flat without a doubt, but I will admit that there is some very compelling evidence that it may very well be flat, like pictures of New York City skyline taken from 40 miles away when the buildings should be well below the horizon line according to science, and a few picture from private rockets that take stills (without the "bug eye" lens) from like 25 miles up that show a strait horizon line. I also find it strange that most of the “official” pictures of any planets NASA releases are missing stars. Now I also know they have “official reasons” for most all of this stuff, but I have to admit there is some compelling evidence for a flat earth. I also think it’s really crazy how all this “crazy conspiracy” stuff, like evolution + space missions + flat earth, things most people these days would never question, and as shown in this thread, be openly mocked for, all seem to tie in together to promote a possible huge deception I feel is coming, namely aliens arriving. A deception I could see even fooling even the elect. I know it seems completely ridiculous, and again I haven’t swallowed it all yet, but isn’t that what a “great deception” would be? I know I haven’t been up to space to KNOW the world is round with my own eye’s, and I get more skeptical about “what experts say” every day, but I do think it would be one heck of an effective deception, and there are some interesting arguments for a lot of it. I say look into it yourselves because just saying “Wow you really are stupid” without knowing the case against what you think is fact, is not an argument.

I see what you mean. Indeed all these things you have pointed to helps to support a major deception that was foretold in the Bible, even the final false religion. Nevertheless, though these things help set the conditions to make the people deceived, they themselves are not that last false religion. It is no wonder either, for even unbelievers can see through many of these absurd lies like evolution, flesh and blood aliens, and the fakery of space exploration.

Nevertheless, it is not yet time to reveal this, though it is written and bluntly foretold in the Bible, perhaps in one of the books you might not expect, even one of the letters of Paul. Search out the scripture, everything that is hidden shall be brought to the light.

 

[VioletReigns]

Isn't the leader of the Flat Earth Society an evolutionist?

 

[bowharp]

I knew my $50,000 plus dollar university will come handy... Urgh..





okay, time to get my inner oceaneering surveying unit into mind...*focus* .... you are correct to some extent
"Why every world map you're looking at is WRONG"... that's why big mining companies and oil gas companies relay on surveying. They don't want to put a structure or big equipment with millions and millions in a place, finding out later, it's the wrong place.... especially, in the deep, deep ocean.. like 2000 meters down..


They use wants called A Geodetic datum, every country a marking, which is fixed on the solid ground, and never change, this marking is used a reference point and can be located above the satellite...

Datums are used in geodesy, navigation, and surveying by cartographers and satellite navigation systems to translate positions indicated on maps (paper or digital) to their real position on Earth. Each starts with an ellipsoid (stretched sphere), and then defines latitude, longitude and altitude coordinates. One or more locations on the Earth's surface is chosen as an anchor "base-point".
The difference in co-ordinates between datums is commonly referred to as datum shift. The datum shift between two particular datums can vary from one place to another within one country or region, and can be anything from zero to hundreds of meters (or several kilometers for some remote islands). The North Pole, South Pole and Equator will be in different positions on different datums, so True North will be slightly different. Different datums use different interpolations for the precise shape and size of the Earth (reference ellipsoids).
Because the Earth is an imperfect ellipsoid, localised datums can give a more accurate representation of the area of coverage than WGS 84. OSGB36, for example, is a better approximation to the geoid covering the British Isles than the global WGS 84 ellipsoid.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] However, as the benefits of a global system outweigh the greater accuracy, the global WGS 84 datum is becoming increasingly adopted.
Horizontal datums are used for describing a point on the Earth's surface, in latitude and longitude or another coordinate system. Vertical datums measure elevations or depths.
In engineering and drafting, a datum is a reference point, surface, or axis on an object against which measurements are made.



here more about it.. if you are interested...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodetic_datum

But we definitely use this for precision in surveying...

 

[bowharp]

For example, here's Australia's Geodetic Station Stone marker.

Here's more about it, if you are still fascinated about it..it's pretty cool.

Australian Geodetic Datum - Geoscience Australia

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Actually he's both an atheist and neo-Darwinian evolutionist.

Isn't the leader of the Flat Earth Society an evolutionist?

 

[bowharp]

Why every world map you're looking at is WRONG: Africa, China and India are distorted despite access to accurate satellite data | Daily Mail Online

By the way, this isn't a conspiracy. It's science.

Oil gas and mining companies have used geodatum for years.

They hire surveyors and to get the latest maps ( earth's plate tectonics movement changes and other factors).

 

[VioletReigns]

I guess my biggest concern is that the whole flat earth idea is being propagated by fear of being deceived. It's that ol' conspiracy theory thing. I just think way too much time is wasted on focusing on conspiracies and it hinders us from just trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.

Some years ago I was obsessing about a situation and hammering heaven's gates with fervent prayers and tears and begging God the Father to please answer me. I wanted an answer! And He answered me all right... *eep!*

While praying yet again about it one day, the weight of the glory of God suddenly fell on me like a ton of feathers. It was so miraculous and unexplainable. It was heavy and light. It was like my body was pressed as in a wine press and my carnal or intellectual reasoning was crushed out of me. I was aware of one thing: the Spirit of the Living God. My awareness of Him was all that was left of me. I knew nothing but Almighty God.

It was such an awakening that I didn't have room for fear or earthly reasoning. It was my spiritual mind in God's hands. As I type these words, I realize I can't do it justice what happened. I liken it to a father who has had enough of his child being afraid and quickly snatching that child up in his arms and holding him/her so close and so tightly to him, the child is only aware of its father's breath on his/her face.

I remember looking around the room and trying to decipher what I was looking at, as all the objects in my house had no meaning. They were like atoms. All the while God was speaking, or rather revealing Himself to me. If I could sum it up it would be, "I alone am Truth. My purpose is real and I am in control. I love you. Do you hear Me?" But there were no words like that, just the revelation of Almighty God, the Spirit of Truth, of Jesus Christ the Lord.

Anyhow, after what seemed moments or hours, I don't really know, I began to realize how terribly awesome and powerful God is and how bankrupt my carnal mind is and I was scared almost to death! Not of God, but of ME! Of my flesh! My flesh contrasted with Holy God so much that I cried out to Him to either take me home with Him in eternity or please restore my mind that I could function in this temporal realm again.

He did, of course. heehee But anyhow, from that day forward I didn't question the reality of God Almighty. I question ME and everyone else, but not God. There was more to it than that. But my point is, against the flat earth vs. the spherical earth argument, Holy God makes that whole debate of little to no worth.

I think it's awesome to study about science and ponder all of creation. But only in the shadow of God's reality. I don't like conspiracies though because it's not trusting the Father. I hate fear because it blinds us of God's love.

 

[posthuman]

@posthuman Firstly on the spin. You ignore that there'd be friction between the sky and the earth.

you're pretending that the earth spins and the atmosphere doesn't. that's false.
what keeps the atmosphere from floating away? what's the gradient of that force?

On the Foucault's Pendulum. Lol I was waiting for this one, I quite thought ya'll jump on it sooner. Firstly Foucault's Pendulum produces varying and random results, which means it cannot be trusted for accuracy.

false. there are small deviations due to local variation in the value of g (acceleration due to gravity). foucault's (thaks Jimbone, i'm terrible at remembering names haha) pendulum is accurate enough to pinpoint exactly what latitude you are on on the earth, with accuracy proportional to the accuracy with which you can measure the period (and keep external local vibrational effects from interfering with the movement of the pendulum). it is so accurate, that it can be used to measure the local value of g.

Secondly, the fact Foucault's pendulum never returns to the point of the origin of its swing actually proves rather that the earth does not spin at all.

false.
you say this because you assume the universe itself is rotating around the equator, trying to explain the precession of the pendulum with a version of Mach's principle. but the stars do not follow this line, because the earth is tilted at an angle relative to its orbit around the sun. so this equatorial line that the pendulum motion is related to does not match the apparent motion of the heavens - it's off by tens of degrees. moreover, that rotation does not explain the ((accurate and well-described)) change in precession relative to latitude at all.

Thirdly, most modern versions of the pendulum, but not all, especially those in universities, are actually guided by magnets and motorized parts, which proves not only that the pendulum is flawed, but also proves there is a deliberate deception to make them seem valid.

false.
you're just displaying your complete ignorance of physics and blanket distrust.
display pendulii are guided my magnets or driven by some other mechanism so that they will not stop swinging.
this is because they are mechanical devices and are subject to friction. that slows them down. you don't want a museum centerpiece to have to be visibly slowing all the time and having to be re-set. it's that simple. all you are pointing out is that there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
your argument boils down to "i have to keep putting gas in my car therefore the combustion engine is a lie"
.. which is a pretty vapid way of thinking.

Aside from this there are some compromisers that would theorize that a moving universe would also influence the pendulum on a stationary earth.

that's not "aside from this" it's exactly your (unsubstantiated) claim about the pendulum actually proving the earth is stationary.
you're just telling me that you don't even understand your own arguments.
you're parroting google searches for flat-earth and geocentric websites, mashing them together and regurgitating them.

Neverthless, I find it to be an unnecessary compromise

then why did you use it as a foundational argument?
you're telling me again that you don't really have a clear understanding.

the pendulum is all ready unreliable to begin with having both random and varying results as well as being manipulated mechanically.

false, false and false.
the pendulum's precession is an extremely reliable and well-described phenomena. i've personally used one in college to confirm the university's latitude to less than a tenth of a degree, and that was with really sub-par equipment. there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this.
randomness is surprisingly small & occurs from known and verifiable sources which can be controlled or easily explained and also easily verified by other tests: chiefly, mechanical defects in the pendulum's focal point. secondly: local effects like vibration (from a poorly isolated apparatus), magnetism from geographical variation in the earth's crust (which can be controlled by using non-ferrous materials in construction and is very small), variation in the value of g due to altitude & local density of earth's crust (also small, easily corrected for and verified by other experiments), or other outside forces like changes in temperature, air density and pressure (also controllable, measurable and easily corrected for if not controlled out entirely by proper isolation). another small effect to consider is the string on which the pendulum bob is hung can stretch when the pendulum reaches it's maxima, introducing dampening, which error into the latitude calculation. this is proportional to the velocity of the bob, and can be both controlled and measured, and also corrected for. with proper materials and ratio of bob mass to the string strength, the error can be reduced to below your capability to measure.
no mechanical device is without friction. every machine with moving parts rubs against itself and slows down. there is also atmospheric resistance if you don't build a pendulum in a vacuum. gravity as well is trying to stop the pendulum from swinging and bring it to rest pointed straight down. the reason that "display" pendulums are kept in motion by mechanical or electro-magentic methods is to keep them in motion for the purposes of display. research the methods that are used and you will find that none of them introduce precession. they just keep the amplitude of the swing at a (relative) constant.

you're talking about things you don't know about.

Therefore my conclusion is that the pendulum, like most elaborate devices which are used to try to provide the illusion of a spinning earth, are lying signs and wonders created to try to disprove or cast doubt on the Bible.

yeah, your bucketful of false pretenses add up to a pretty air-tight argument don't they?

no - they just reveal your ignorance.


and all you've done is try to poo-poo the idea of the pendulum, because you can't explain why this should work on a flat, stationary earth.
but the fact is that foucault's pendulum is a real thing that is very accurate, very well documented, has been built by countless thousands of people, and proves that the earth rotates. it's a simple device that you can build in your own garage with meager materials and with care, you can make one that gives surprisingly accurate estimation of your latitude, because its precession changes with latitude, and you cannot explain that behavior with a flat, stationary earth. you didn't even try.

all you've posted is a pack of lies. you are not a giraffe.

 

[posthuman]

I guess my biggest concern is that the whole flat earth idea is being propagated by fear of being deceived. It's that ol' conspiracy theory thing. I just think way too much time is wasted on focusing on conspiracies and it hinders us from just trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.

you're absolutely right, and i'm a fool, because here i am telling a brick wall that it is not a giraffe, which is just chasing after wind.
because it's going to continue being a brick wall whether it realizes it is or it keeps daydreaming of the tallest leaves on trees.

that's the fruit of this nonsense - lies that i hate, and wasted energy, and plowing earth that's been salted

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I guess my biggest concern is that the whole flat earth idea is being propagated by fear of being deceived. It's that ol' conspiracy theory thing. I just think way too much time is wasted on focusing on conspiracies and it hinders us from just trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ alone.

Some years ago I was obsessing about a situation and hammering heaven's gates with fervent prayers and tears and begging God the Father to please answer me. I wanted an answer! And He answered me all right... *eep!*

While praying yet again about it one day, the weight of the glory of God suddenly fell on me like a ton of feathers. It was so miraculous and unexplainable. It was heavy and light. It was like my body was pressed as in a wine press and my carnal or intellectual reasoning was crushed out of me. I was aware of one thing: the Spirit of the Living God. My awareness of Him was all that was left of me. I knew nothing but Almighty God.

It was such an awakening that I didn't have room for fear or earthly reasoning. It was my spiritual mind in God's hands. As I type these words, I realize I can't do it justice what happened. I liken it to a father who has had enough of his child being afraid and quickly snatching that child up in his arms and holding him/her so close and so tightly to him, the child is only aware of its father's breath on his/her face.

I remember looking around the room and trying to decipher what I was looking at, as all the objects in my house had no meaning. They were like atoms. All the while God was speaking, or rather revealing Himself to me. If I could sum it up it would be, "I alone am Truth. My purpose is real and I am in control. I love you. Do you hear Me?" But there were no words like that, just the revelation of Almighty God, the Spirit of Truth, of Jesus Christ the Lord.

Anyhow, after what seemed moments or hours, I don't really know, I began to realize how terribly awesome and powerful God is and how bankrupt my carnal mind is and I was scared almost to death! Not of God, but of ME! Of my flesh! My flesh contrasted with Holy God so much that I cried out to Him to either take me home with Him in eternity or please restore my mind that I could function in this temporal realm again.

He did, of course. heehee But anyhow, from that day forward I didn't question the reality of God Almighty. I question ME and everyone else, but not God. There was more to it than that. But my point is, against the flat earth vs. the spherical earth argument, Holy God makes that whole debate of little to no worth.

I think it's awesome to study about science and ponder all of creation. But only in the shadow of God's reality. I don't like conspiracies though because it's not trusting the Father. I hate fear because it blinds us of God's love.

I liked this mostly for the goodly testimony of God herein.

On my own personal account of why I believe the earth is geocentric and relatively flat, it is not out of any fear. Far from it really for it matter not at all if this deception continues to be perpetrated because it is all ready a lie. As I have said before, just like all of you I was indeed taught and brainwashed that the earth is a spinning sphere from a young age. Every American child that enters the public education system is. However, even in my more youthful days I have always had a great love of learning. I really never questioned the lie of the spinning sphere and all its absurdity until after reading the Bible. Though this alone I admit did not convince me. I never really set out to study the flat earth theory at all, but as the Lord would have it, it kept coming up in my research of other subjects. I began to slowly see that in fact without accepting the Biblical view of cosmology, the age of the creation, the nature of good and evil, and history that the Bible would be in error. I understand that it is a big leap of faith to go against all the brainwashing one has been brainwashed by since they were a child, especially so since people will ridicule you as much as they can for it. Nevertheless I took that leap of faith frankly because I don't have much to lose besides my life, albeit I approached it slowly and through study fro mdiverse angles, just as it is written to "prove all things". What I have come up with, and even see more proof for everyday is that in fact the Bible is 100% correct.

I do not call it a conspiracy either, because a conspiracy implies secrecy. The fact the earth does not move and is not a sphere is not a secret, it can be tested, it can be observed, and it is written plainly in the Bible. There is nothing secret in the fact that the ideas of heliocentricism and the spherical earth are contrary to the Bible and are perpetuated in this time now to mock Christianity and try to beguile people to think that the Bible is wrong or to bring in heresies into the churches. It is even taught in public schools and held up next to evolution as a top reason to enforce secularism, atheism, and heretical sects. The very history of heliocentricism and spherical earth even testifies against these theories and the reason of their origins, and it is not secret, albeit, it is not well researched and it is certainly not taught.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Isn't the leader of the Flat Earth Society an evolutionist?

On this one I am not sure. It is profitable to study this society though even as the spherical societies. An obvious divergence from Biblical cosmology and the FES view of cosmology is they teach that the earth moves in a constant upward direction. This I do not believe because the Bible either says bluntly or by implication in numerous places that the earth does not move.

Of course it is little wonder if certain flat earthers today do not believe the full biblical view of cosmology, just the same as the catholics of old believed in geocentricism, but still held to the spherical myth originated by the hellenists, or how the unbelieving jews believed in other planets.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

you're pretending that the earth spins and the atmosphere doesn't. that's false.
what keeps the atmosphere from floating away? what's the gradient of that force?



false. there are small deviations due to local variation in the value of g (acceleration due to gravity). foucault's (thaks Jimbone, i'm terrible at remembering names haha) pendulum is accurate enough to pinpoint exactly what latitude you are on on the earth, with accuracy proportional to the accuracy with which you can measure the period (and keep external local vibrational effects from interfering with the movement of the pendulum). it is so accurate, that it can be used to measure the local value of g.



false.
you say this because you assume the universe itself is rotating around the equator, trying to explain the precession of the pendulum with a version of Mach's principle. but the stars do not follow this line, because the earth is tilted at an angle relative to its orbit around the sun. so this equatorial line that the pendulum motion is related to does not match the apparent motion of the heavens - it's off by tens of degrees. moreover, that rotation does not explain the ((accurate and well-described)) change in precession relative to latitude at all.



false.
you're just displaying your complete ignorance of physics and blanket distrust.
display pendulii are guided my magnets or driven by some other mechanism so that they will not stop swinging.
this is because they are mechanical devices and are subject to friction. that slows them down. you don't want a museum centerpiece to have to be visibly slowing all the time and having to be re-set. it's that simple. all you are pointing out is that there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
your argument boils down to "i have to keep putting gas in my car therefore the combustion engine is a lie"
.. which is a pretty vapid way of thinking.



that's not "aside from this" it's exactly your (unsubstantiated) claim about the pendulum actually proving the earth is stationary.
you're just telling me that you don't even understand your own arguments.
you're parroting google searches for flat-earth and geocentric websites, mashing them together and regurgitating them.



then why did you use it as a foundational argument?
you're telling me again that you don't really have a clear understanding.



false, false and false.
the pendulum's precession is an extremely reliable and well-described phenomena. i've personally used one in college to confirm the university's latitude to less than a tenth of a degree, and that was with really sub-par equipment. there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this.
randomness is surprisingly small & occurs from known and verifiable sources which can be controlled or easily explained and also easily verified by other tests: chiefly, mechanical defects in the pendulum's focal point. secondly: local effects like vibration (from a poorly isolated apparatus), magnetism from geographical variation in the earth's crust (which can be controlled by using non-ferrous materials in construction and is very small), variation in the value of g due to altitude & local density of earth's crust (also small, easily corrected for and verified by other experiments), or other outside forces like changes in temperature, air density and pressure (also controllable, measurable and easily corrected for if not controlled out entirely by proper isolation). another small effect to consider is the string on which the pendulum bob is hung can stretch when the pendulum reaches it's maxima, introducing dampening, which error into the latitude calculation. this is proportional to the velocity of the bob, and can be both controlled and measured, and also corrected for. with proper materials and ratio of bob mass to the string strength, the error can be reduced to below your capability to measure.
no mechanical device is without friction. every machine with moving parts rubs against itself and slows down. there is also atmospheric resistance if you don't build a pendulum in a vacuum. gravity as well is trying to stop the pendulum from swinging and bring it to rest pointed straight down. the reason that "display" pendulums are kept in motion by mechanical or electro-magentic methods is to keep them in motion for the purposes of display. research the methods that are used and you will find that none of them introduce precession. they just keep the amplitude of the swing at a (relative) constant.

you're talking about things you don't know about.




yeah, your bucketful of false pretenses add up to a pretty air-tight argument don't they?

no - they just reveal your ignorance.


and all you've done is try to poo-poo the idea of the pendulum, because you can't explain why this should work on a flat, stationary earth.
but the fact is that foucault's pendulum is a real thing that is very accurate, very well documented, has been built by countless thousands of people, and proves that the earth rotates. it's a simple device that you can build in your own garage with meager materials and with care, you can make one that gives surprisingly accurate estimation of your latitude, because its precession changes with latitude, and you cannot explain that behavior with a flat, stationary earth. you didn't even try.

all you've posted is a pack of lies. you are not a giraffe.

I am not pretending the earth spins and the sky doesn't, but you are. I say the earth does not spin at all. Yet if you think the earth spins, then there must be friction between it and the sky. That's all there is to it. As for what keeps the sky from floating away, it is because the sky is the waters. Genesis 1 explains in more and great detail how God separated the waters from the waters. Do some experiments with different liquids and watch how they separate and maintain themselves one above the other if you do not believe the Bible and prove it, it is well and easy enough to prove.

As for Foucault's pendulum, nay but there have been observed variations in the pendulum's swing, it is highly inaccurate. As for gravity, that may not exist, it has never been proven. Secondly as I have said, I do not assume that Foucault's pendulum moves because the universe moves, but as I have said that is a theory of certain compromisers, one which I do not agree with. I know that Foucault's pendulum being highly inaccurate and also dubious because it is manipulated with magnets and machinery is a lying sign and wonder.

I noted that you actually admit it is highly inaccurate and that it is manipulated by devices (see underlined passages from your quote). If the earth were spinning, especially at the speeds theorizes, much less travelling at the speeds theorized around the sun, momentum alone would keep it moving. You would not have to keep putting that gas in your car as you say to maintain the illusion. Furthermore the momentum of the alleged movement of the earth alone would keep it moving regardless of everything that makes the pendulum render random and varying results you listed.

Funny enough you actually point out better than I do why the Foucault's Pendulum is a lying sign and wonder and cannot be trusted. Lol I should quite thank you for you actually just handed me even more proof why the spherical spinning earth is based on lies. As for why it works on our stationary flat earth, it is simple, it rigged to with machinery as you have admitted.


Now seeing as I have answered all you say of me, that you have not answered me at all, and I forgive you of all your personal insults, answer me only one simple question.

Did Joshua the son of Nun say for the earth or the sun to stand still when the Lord delivered up the Amorites into his hand?

Joshua 10:12-14

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.

 

[VioletReigns]

I don't know if the earth is spinning or my head... LOL

Joking, just trying to get everyone in a light mood for the weekend.

 

[Nautilus]

On the point of spinning:

Lol this is a common analogy made (that of the car), but actually it proves all the more the earth is not a spinning sphere. The only way both the earth and sky could be moving together with no physical effects is if the sky were encapsulated with some sort of solid substance as with the car. Elsewise the spinning of the earth (the land) would indeed cause massive friction with the sky and the earth

Indeed the car analogy proves it, for if you drive a paltry 25 miles per hour and roll the window down you can feel the forces generated from the air passing over the solid materials of the car. Now imagine you take the paltry forces of air and friction generated at 25 mph in a car and multiply that by 40 times. That is the forces that would be generated just by the alledged spin alone (ignoring the tilt and wobble which makes it even more unstable and catastrophic). When one figures in the alledged speed going around the sun and the galaxy it makes the idea of heliocentricism quite absurd by physics.

So the only way that the earth could be spinning without such forces generated between the friction of the air and earth is if the nethermost region of the sky were solidly encapsulated (ie: a literal glass ceiling.) Furthermore that proves that if the earth were spinning and if it were travelling at such massive speeds through the cosmos that it would be impossible to have any satellites at all (to go back to the car analogy, put some children's toys on top of the car.)


On the motion of the heavens: You won't find me deny this, it is of necessity that since the earth is stationary the heavens must be in motion. This is also another supporting proof for the "flat" earth, though moreso a direct proof for geocentricism.

Also indeed the stars are real, I have never said they weren't. In fact most of what is commonly called "planets" are in fact stars. In fact the origin of the word planet itself means wandering star.

It's called the atmosphere...wow, did you just purposefully ignore anything taught in science? And another question what denomination are you exactly? Cause this isn't the type of beliefs associated with the more normal ones.