Disproving Biblical Infallibility 101

[Elin]

The magnitude of the flaws is insignificant, and unlike your initial comments, I don't think the changes were due to the attempt of the church to control the understanding. Comma Johanneum was one exception and that only involves one verse. The long ending of Mark is another incident.

We know why Comma Johanneum happened and that is a discoverable and fixable issue. Who knows what other manuscript evidence we may find that resolves other seeming contradictions?

We can find those issues through examining manuscript evidence and the discovery of additional manuscripts has aided in doing that. That is why modern versions resolve many of those issues.

I think many of the contradictions you are claiming can be resolved by other means besides textual issues. The multiple eyewitness effect is one of those explanations.

Keeping in mind that "discrepancy" is not synonymous with "contradiction."

 

[DisciplePAG]

I'm sorry, but you're greatly mistaken and you would have recognized your error if you had simply kept on reading John's account. Here is a fuller version:

John chapter 20 verses 1 thru 18

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

THIS IS WHERE JESUS APPEARS TO MARY - CONTRADICTORY TO MATTHEWS ACCOUNT BELOW⬇️⬇️⬇️.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Mary clearly appeared at the empty tomb TWICE.

At her first appearance, she thought that Jesus' body had been stolen and she ran and told Peter and John the same. When Peter and John came to the tomb, Mary came back with them. It was during her second appearance at the the empty tomb that the angel spoke unto her and therein lies your error. There is no discrepancy.

See my notes made in your quote above. ^^^
YOUR NOT EVEN SEEING WHAT IM TEACHING YOU. ⬇️⬇️⬇️

Matthews account:
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

^^^now look at my notes in your quote of Johns account^^^

***THE WOMEN SEE JESUS BEFORE THEY GET TO THE DISCIPLES IN THE ACCOUNT OF MATTHEW, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN JOHNS ACCOUNT!***

 

[purgedconscience]

This is the second and third contradiction:

The first appearance of Jesus after his resurrection is accepted theologically wide as having been to Mary, FIRST. Both the gospel of John and of Matthew do record the initial appearance. Let us look closer at those accounts:

And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

^^^ this is Matthew 28:7-10, note this follows the angels instruction to "Go, tell the disciples he is risen".

*Note: Jesus allows them to touch and worship him in Matthews account.

Now lets look at Johns account:
Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself..

Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

This is the second and third contradiction.

Jesus appears to Mary AFTER the disciples have came to the tomb.
Jesus refuses them to touch Him, not having yet ascended.

So which way was it??? Did Jesus appear to mary BEFORE or AFTER the disciples came to the tomb? Were thy allowed to touch Him or not?

Which disciples are you referring to? Peter and John? If so, then Matthew's account doesn't even mention that they ever came to Jesus' tomb. Again, there is no contradiction whatsoever, but merely poor reading on your part. In other words, if the disciples to whom you are referring are Peter and John and they seem to be, then you're inquiring about an alleged discrepancy which isn't even in the scriptures which you cited.

As far as touching Jesus is concerned, in the case of Mary Magdalene, she was told not to touch Him or not to cling to Him because He hadn't yet ascended to His Father in heaven. Instead, she was instructed to go and tell the disciples the same. It was in her going that the Lord met her and the other women with her. Who's to say that there wasn't an interval of time wedged in between which certainly seems to be the case? In other words, who's to say that when Jesus told Mary to go that He didn't ascend to the Father at that point in time and then later meet Mary again and the other women after He had already ascended? There are many who believe that Christ actually ascended TWICE. If you do a study on the Feast of Firstfruits and how Christ fulfilled the same by being risen from the dead on that Feast day on the Hebrew calendar, then you will recognize that the firstfruit of the harvest had to be waved before the Lord in the temple on that day to be accepted in regard to the rest of the harvest. Paul tells us twice in I Corinthians chapter 15 that Christ is the firstfruits of them that slept or the firstfruits from death unto eternal life. With such being the case, in what temple was Christ presented before God? It wasn't in the earthly temple which was based upon a pattern of the true temple which is in heaven...that's for sure. With such being the case, again, there are many who believe that Christ actually ascended TWICE and that His first ascension was in relation to His fulfilling of the Feast of Firstfruits.

 

[Elin]

I'm sorry, but you're greatly mistaken and you would have recognized your error if you had simply kept on reading John's account. Here is a fuller version:

John chapter 20 verses 1 thru 18

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Mary clearly appeared at the empty tomb TWICE.

At her first appearance, she thought that Jesus' body had been stolen and she ran and told Peter and John the same. When Peter and John came to the tomb, Mary came back with them. It was during her second appearance at the the empty tomb that the angel spoke unto her and therein lies your error. There is no discrepancy.

Good. . .

He has been told that. . .so let's see how he responds to it.

 

[DisciplePAG]

See my notes made in your quote above. ^^^
YOUR NOT EVEN SEEING WHAT IM TEACHING YOU. ⬇️⬇️⬇️

Matthews account:
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

^^^now look at my notes in your quote of Johns account^^^

***THE WOMEN SEE JESUS BEFORE THEY GET TO THE DISCIPLES IN THE ACCOUNT OF MATTHEW, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN JOHNS ACCOUNT!***

JESUS APPEARS TO THE WOMEN AT DIFFERENT TIMES - before the women get to the disciples, or after? It cannot be both!

 

[HQ]

I believe all scripture applies to todays professing christians , and i believe all sanctified christians follow it to a T.


I have a question though: Why does the sequence of events we call "The Resurrection Morning", located in all 4 of the gospels...why do these accounts differ in there sequence of events? Matthew's account finds the tomb sealed, and is opened by an angel of the Lord via earthquake, who proceeds to speak to Mary- now if we closely examine the accounts of Mark, Luke and John, the bible reveals a dramatically different account from those disciples....there are differences in regards to the Angels, both in location upon Mary's arrival, as well as in number, even that the tomb is already opened- even Jesus appears to them at different times, and even Peter shows up at the tomb at a different time, etc...the 4 accounts appear to wholly contradict each other? What gives here??


Thee are huge doctrinal implications to this. The resurrection accounts are conflicting- which would prove fallibility, which would change the whole soapbox many stand on. The foundation of MOST doctrine is now shaky at best....

DisciplePAG,

Your conclusions about the apparent "discrepancies" in the account above are not discrepancies at all. What we are seeing are first person accounts from multiple perspectives and time lines. Consider for example a multi-car accident on the interstate. You've got multiple eye witnesses to the same event yet different drivers notice unique details that the others did not, based on their location and timeline. The different accounts don't contradict each other but rather fill in details that others missed, which together form a clearer picture of the incident. The time to start screaming collusion is when every witness to an incident tells the EXACT same story with the EXACT same details with the EXACT same sequence of events using the EXACT same phrases. Ask any cop if he would be suspicious of such an account. I can assure you he would be.

 

[DisciplePAG]

Keeping in mind that "discrepancy" is not synonymous with "contradiction."

Have we not already clearly defined what a "contradiction" is?

con·tra·dic·tion
ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun

• a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another
• ]"the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"
  
  • a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
    ]"the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction
  • the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
  • ]"the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first"
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering"a contradiction of his statement"
    
    [/TD]
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[DisciplePAG]

DisciplePAG

Your conclusions about the apparent "discrepancies" in the account above are not discrepancies at all. What we are seeing are first person accounts from multiple perspectives and time lines. Consider for example a multi-car accident on the interstate. You've got multiple eye witnesses to the same event yet different drivers notice unique details that the others did not, based on their location and timeline. The different accounts don't contradict each other but rather fill in details that others missed, which together form a clearer picture of the incident. The time to start screaming collusion is when every witness to an incident tells the EXACT same story with the EXACT same details with the EXACT same sequence of events using the EXACT same phrases. Ask any cop if he would be suspicious of such an account. I can assure you he would be.

So you do admit there are discrepancies in the accounts which "add to its authenticity." Thank you.

 

[DisciplePAG]

Which disciples are you referring to? Peter and John? If so, then Matthew's account doesn't even mention that they ever came to Jesus' tomb. Again, there is no contradiction whatsoever, but merely poor reading on your part. In other words, if the disciples to whom you are referring are Peter and John and they seem to be, then you're inquiring about an alleged discrepancy which isn't even in the scriptures which you cited.

As far as touching Jesus is concerned, in the case of Mary Magdalene, she was told not to touch Him or not to cling to Him because He hadn't yet ascended to His Father in heaven. Instead, she was instructed to go and tell the disciples the same. It was in her going that the Lord met her and the other women with her. Who's to say that there wasn't an interval of time wedged in between which certainly seems to be the case? In other words, who's to say that when Jesus told Mary to go that He didn't ascend to the Father at that point in time and then later meet Mary again and the other women after He had already ascended? There are many who believe that Christ actually ascended TWICE. If you do a study on the Feast of Firstfruits and how Christ fulfilled the same by being risen from the dead on that Feast day on the Hebrew calendar, then you will recognize that the firstfruit of the harvest had to be waved before the Lord in the temple on that day to be accepted in regard to the rest of the harvest. Paul tells us twice in I Corinthians chapter 15 that Christ is the firstfruits of them that slept or the firstfruits from death unto eternal life. With such being the case, in what temple was Christ presented before God? It wasn't in the earthly temple which was based upon a pattern of the true temple which is in heaven...that's for sure. With such being the case, again, there are many who believe that Christ actually ascended TWICE and that His first ascension was in relation to His fulfilling of the Feast of Firstfruits.

So you're saying Jesus appeared to the women TWICE that morning and TWICE told them to go tell the deciples he had risen?

 

[Elin]

Mary clearly appeared at the empty tomb TWICE.

At her first appearance, she thought that Jesus' body had been stolen and she ran and told Peter and John the same. When Peter and John came to the tomb, Mary came back with them. It was during her second appearance at the the empty tomb that the angel spoke unto her and
therein lies your error. There is no discrepancy.

YOUR NOT EVEN SEEING WHAT IM TEACHING YOU.

Now that's rich. . .

 

[DisciplePAG]

DisciplePAG,

Your conclusions about the apparent "discrepancies" in the account above are not discrepancies at all. What we are seeing are first person accounts from multiple perspectives and time lines. Consider for example a multi-car accident on the interstate. You've got multiple eye witnesses to the same event yet different drivers notice unique details that the others did not, based on their location and timeline. The different accounts don't contradict each other but rather fill in details that others missed, which together form a clearer picture of the incident. The time to start screaming collusion is when every witness to an incident tells the EXACT same story with the EXACT same details with the EXACT same sequence of events using the EXACT same phrases. Ask any cop if he would be suspicious of such an account. I can assure you he would be.

I suggest you do yourself a favor and get a pencil. Start with Johns account. Do your own drawing/timeline of the sequence of events. Then go through the other 3. It takes about 10 minutes and WILL BLOW YOUR MIND at just how the "accident scene" is a "whole different accident". Trust me- i would not risk the professional embarrasment of putting this information on paper if myslef ( and MANY others here ) had not done the homework we are asking you to do.....please do it for your own peace of mind. Dont take my word for it- just do it. I promise you will be VERY suprised at what you find for yourself.

 

[purgedconscience]

See my notes made in your quote above. ^^^
YOUR NOT EVEN SEEING WHAT IM TEACHING YOU. ⬇️⬇️⬇️

Matthews account:
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

^^^now look at my notes in your quote of Johns account^^^

Of course I'm not seeing it because it doesn't exist. Again, it seems as if Jesus appeared to Mary TWICE. At the first appearance, He told her not to touch Him or not to cling to Him because He hadn't yet ascended to the Father. At that moment, He instructed Mary to go and tell the disciples that He had not yet ascended to the Father:

John chapter 20 verses 17 and 18

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

During her trip to see the disciples and to tell them what she had been instructed to say, Jesus again appeared unto her and the women with her:

Matthew chapter 28 verses 5 thru 10

And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

For crying out loud, they're not even the same message. Jesus told Mary Magdalene to go and tell the disciples that He hadn't yet ascended to the Father and He told all of the women to go and tell the disciples to go to Galilee that they might see Him there.

***THE WOMEN SEE JESUS BEFORE THEY GET TO THE DISCIPLES IN THE ACCOUNT OF MATTHEW, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN JOHNS ACCOUNT!***

What are you talking about? The women see Jesus before they get to the disciples with two different messages in both accounts. Again, Mary Magdalene appeared at the empty tomb TWICE. Initially, she thought that Jesus' body had been stolen and she went and told Peter and John the same. When Peter and John came to the tomb, Mary came back with them.

There is no contradiction...and calm down with the exclamation points. Thanks.

 

[HQ]

So you do admit there are discrepancies in the accounts which "add to its authenticity." Thank you.

The timelines of the witnesses are different. Different timelines means different details and perspectives. Let's say that you and I are both at the Brad Paisley concert. After the concert you mention to a mutual friend that Miranda Lambert sang the opening song. Later that same evening our shared friend asks my what I thought of Miranda's performance and I say she didn't perform that evening. What she doesn't realize is that I was half an hour late to the concert. I missed her performance. No contradictions...just different accounts based on different timelines.

 

[purgedconscience]

So you're saying Jesus appeared to the women TWICE that morning and TWICE told them to go tell the deciples he had risen?

Hopefully, my most recent response answers this question.

 

[Elin]

Have we not already clearly defined what a "contradiction" is?

con·tra·dic·tion
ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun

• a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another
• ]"the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"
  
  • a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
    ]"the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction
  • the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
  • ]"the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first"
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering"a contradiction of his statement"[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
  
  

Agreed. . .

 

[DisciplePAG]

Hopefully, my most recent response answers this question.

So now you are down to saying Christ appeared twice- humor us and PLEASE inform us which account is the second of the two appearances?


this should be interesting- as it is plain in scriptures that the accounts have Jesus appearing but once to Mary, then she goes and tells them she has seen the Lord.

 

[DisciplePAG]

John 20:1-2

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when, it was yet dark, unto, the sepulchre, and, seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre..

Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.


^^^So Mary sees the stone gone, and flips out, thinking Jesus has been stolen.

AND - Your claiming that matthew 28:1-7 happens between John20:1-2.




Matthew 28:1-7

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.


NOW DONT YOU THINK IF YOUR THEORY WAS CORRECT, mr purgedconscious, that they would have NOT been afraid that someone had stolen the body of Christ??

 

[purgedconscience]

So now you are down to saying Christ appeared twice- humor us and PLEASE inform us which account is the second of the two appearances?


this should be interesting- as it is plain in scriptures that the accounts have Jesus appearing but once to Mary, then she goes and tells them she has seen the Lord.

Why would I want to humor anybody? This is no laughing matter. Read the accounts. In John's account, Jesus tells Mary Magdalene to go with a specific message. In Matthew's account, as the women were going, Jesus appeared unto them. Sounds like two different appearances to me:

One before Mary left and another as the women were going.

Here's a piece of simple advice for you:

Whenever you think that the Bible is wrong and you are right, you're terribly, terribly deceived and you shouldn't go around shooting your mouth off.

 

[purgedconscience]

John 20:1-2

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when, it was yet dark, unto, the sepulchre, and, seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre..

Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.


^^^So Mary sees the stone gone, and flips out, thinking Jesus has been stolen.

AND - Your claiming that matthew 28:1-7 happens between John20:1-2.




Matthew 28:1-7

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.


NOW DONT YOU THINK IF YOUR THEORY WAS CORRECT, mr purgedconscious, that they would have NOT been afraid that someone had stolen the body of Christ??

You can't even comprehend what I actually said. How then can you possibly understand the Bible? I made no such claim. Go and reread my posts.

 

[DisciplePAG]

Why would I want to humor anybody? This is no laughing matter. Read the accounts. In John's account, Jesus tells Mary Magdalene to go with a specific message. In Matthew's account, as the women were going, Jesus appeared unto them. Sounds like two different appearances to me:

One before Mary left and another as the women were going.

Here's a piece of simple advice for you:

Whenever you think that the Bible is wrong and you are right, you're terribly, terribly deceived and you shouldn't go around shooting your mouth off.

Actually i have proven you wholly wrong, you just copy and paste in an effort to confuse, hoping they wont see through your ineptitude. You claim a heresy, that christ appeared TWICE to Mary! You cannot discern basic truth! You most certainly do have a purgedconscience!