Woman position ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-37)
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I just realized something that may lend some clarification here.
Ac 18:5-17 and 1Cor 1:1 seem to indicate that the church at Corinth was generally observing the Sabbath in the Synagogue. If the same were true of Ephesis and Crete, then the assembly in question might well be the Synagogue.
It would certainly have been totally unacceptable to the Jewish members of a Synagogue to have women speaking out.
I will not dogmatically insist that this was the case; but it is worthy of consideration.
Ac 18:5-17 and 1Cor 1:1 seem to indicate that the church at Corinth was generally observing the Sabbath in the Synagogue. If the same were true of Ephesis and Crete, then the assembly in question might well be the Synagogue.
It would certainly have been totally unacceptable to the Jewish members of a Synagogue to have women speaking out.
I will not dogmatically insist that this was the case; but it is worthy of consideration.
Jesus loved his neighbors as himself too by example, but the scriptures still show us that Christ was the head of man..and God is the head of Christ....there is order in God's creation...not that all are created equally for the same purpose...In fact...some are created for more Noble purposes and some for common use...Oldhermit seems to be serving a Noble purpose in accurately discerning the scriptures.
B
I perceive a very good reason for this admonishment to behavior...
This is the early church and it seems to harmonize with other "role" instructions. Disciples are learning, wives are to RESPECT their husbands and be in subjection to their leadership.... a woman who is asking questions in church is "speaking OVER" the boundary of her husband in an assembly. Now men reading this... has your wife ever spoke outside your boundary in a public place in anything? Did you like it? Did the ensuing embarrassment feel good? is this scenario a one which conveys respect to observers?
I think it is the same issue... specifically targeted to behavior in an assembly for that time and probably a good behavior admonishment for small group bible study gatherings too. Has anyone ever been to a small group where the husband sits an contributes nothing as his wife talks and talks and talks?
Women are prone to that... across the board... little verse in Genesis reveals that... know which one?
This is the early church and it seems to harmonize with other "role" instructions. Disciples are learning, wives are to RESPECT their husbands and be in subjection to their leadership.... a woman who is asking questions in church is "speaking OVER" the boundary of her husband in an assembly. Now men reading this... has your wife ever spoke outside your boundary in a public place in anything? Did you like it? Did the ensuing embarrassment feel good? is this scenario a one which conveys respect to observers?
I think it is the same issue... specifically targeted to behavior in an assembly for that time and probably a good behavior admonishment for small group bible study gatherings too. Has anyone ever been to a small group where the husband sits an contributes nothing as his wife talks and talks and talks?
Women are prone to that... across the board... little verse in Genesis reveals that... know which one?
K
Those who misuse 1 Corinthians 14 and a few others to try and say women can not hold the roles of a minister/preacher will also continue to refuse to do the leg work in study and see that women held these roles in the first centuries of the church.
The bible also even calls one woman (Junia) an Apostle, and another women (Phoebe) a deacon.
But they will continue to believe the cover up and the change of scripture to make these statements not true, as they added a "s" to Junia to make it the male form Junias and took and changed the word deacon to servant for Phoebe.
I know the Greek word means both deacon and servant, but that is a vague term in servant as we are all servants of the Lord rather in the role of an Apostle or the least position in the church. The Catholic church has tried their hardest to conceal the truth that women can hold those positions as well, but unless one actually does the leg work and does an in depth early church history study for truth will not know all of this and will continue to play it off.
The bible also even calls one woman (Junia) an Apostle, and another women (Phoebe) a deacon.
But they will continue to believe the cover up and the change of scripture to make these statements not true, as they added a "s" to Junia to make it the male form Junias and took and changed the word deacon to servant for Phoebe.
I know the Greek word means both deacon and servant, but that is a vague term in servant as we are all servants of the Lord rather in the role of an Apostle or the least position in the church. The Catholic church has tried their hardest to conceal the truth that women can hold those positions as well, but unless one actually does the leg work and does an in depth early church history study for truth will not know all of this and will continue to play it off.