Being Rich tends you to do evil things?

[jsr1221]

So you are saying I could have 1 billion dollars in my bank account and not do anything to help the poor and or to spread the gospel and it would be okay? Would it still be okay even if I did those things with just a fraction of that money while I lived life like a king?

Hmmm..... doesn't really sound like it lines up too well with.... "He that shall save his life shall lose and he that shall lose his life for my sake shall save it."

What one has in their account and what they are doing with that money speaks to what is in their heart.

I don't think there's a number at how much one should give. It's not like taxes. Whether you have 1 billion, 1 million, 1,000, or 100 dollars in your account, the whole point is to give out of love. I barely make over minimum wage and am finishing up paying off a year's worth of tuition for my school, and even then I still gave to those that needed it more than I did. Now wouldn't it be nice for someone that has 1 billion dollars to be giving A LOT of that back? Of course. But at the end of the day it's all about the heart. God would want us to do it out of love, not like "ugh. I gotta give this guy money because God tells me to." That line of thinking defeats the purpose.

 

[Jason0047]

I don't think there's a number at how much one should give. It's not like taxes. Whether you have 1 billion, 1 million, 1,000, or 100 dollars in your account, the whole point is to give out of love. I barely make over minimum wage and am finishing up paying off a year's worth of tuition for my school, and even then I still gave to those that needed it more than I did. Now wouldn't it be nice for someone that has 1 billion dollars to be giving A LOT of that back? Of course. But at the end of the day it's all about the heart. God would want us to do it out of love, not like "ugh. I gotta give this guy money because God tells me to." That line of thinking defeats the purpose.

You obviously have not studied 1 Timothy 6 and believe what it says plainly. It says to the rich that they are to be willing to distribute their wealth so that they may lay hold on eternal life. Meaning, they don't have it.

"Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life."

 

[jsr1221]

You obviously have not studied 1 Timothy 6 and believe what it says plainly. It says to the rich that they are to be willing to distribute their wealth so that they may lay hold on eternal life. Meaning, they don't have it.

"Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life."

It doesn't say an exact amount, though. That is my point. It's self explanatory that the more you make, the more you give back. But as far as an exact amount, the Bible doesn't say.

 

[Mitspa]

You obviously have not studied 1 Timothy 6 and believe what it says plainly. It says to the rich that they are to be willing to distribute their wealth so that they may lay hold on eternal life. Meaning, they don't have it.

"Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life."

You don't seem to understand that you can never out give God and the more you give the poor, God supplies more and more so that one always has an abundance.

Have you read the bible much?

 

[slave]

You don't seem to understand that you can never out give God and the more you give the poor, God supplies more and more so that one always has an abundance.

Have you read the bible much?

And this becomes an issue of stewardship then yes. But God shows a spirit of Mammon that is alluring. God says you cannot serve both money and God. One must surrender wealth to God to be able to use it to what? God says, to invest it in people. Not goods to represent His blessings. God does not care if you use money for His sake He has blessed many in this way. Yet He cares if you attach your heart to the Spirit of the flesh that Satan has gripped onto with it. What did He tell the man seeking God's favor in the bible, Go and sell everything you own...now that's not what he says all to do, but the principle is the mans reaction, He went away sad, for he was wealthy. The "Love" of money is the root of all evil. Not money itself, yet Money will be used by Satan to tempt you, God warns of it in relationship to your loyalty to Him.

 

[Mitspa]

And this becomes an issue of stewardship then yes. But God shows a spirit of Mammon that is alluring. God says you cannot serve both money and God. One must surrender wealth to God to be able to use it to what? God says, to invest it in people. Not goods to represent His blessings. God does not care if you use money for His sake He has blessed many in this way. Yet He cares if you attach your heart to the Spirit of the flesh that Satan has gripped onto with it. What did He tell the man seeking God's favor in the bible, Go and sell everything you own...now that's not what he says all to do, but the principle is the mans reaction, He went away sad, for he was wealthy. The "Love" of money is the root of all evil. Not money itself, yet Money will be used by Satan to tempt you, God warns of it in relationship to your loyalty to Him.

Ok...but that don't change the FACT that God wants us to have an abundance to give to those in need...the greed of some cannot overcome the love and charity God has taught others.

 

[ember]

A lot of poor people aspire to become rich. In the process of becoming rich and gaining wealth, are you more prone to do evil things? If yes, does it mean you should try to avoid to be a very rich man? what are your opinions?

I think people should try to avoid being stupid, boring and believing everyone should have an opinion just like they do

I believe God gave us brains to USE and far too many people are too lazy to think for themself

I believe it is NOT a sin to be rich

I believe it IS a sin to be envious of those who are rich

I believe that calling what one does not understand, cannot attain and therefore spits on, evil, is a sin in and of itself

I certainly do not mean this as pertains to the author of this op...I am only responding to the op

 

[ember]

I'm always curious as to why no one ever seems to mention some key figures from the Bible when talking about the rich vs. poor debate.

Actually, there have been several threads about this topic just recently and in each one, biblical figures who were most definately wealthy were mentionned with references given.

Doesn't matter...seems if someone does not like another that is well to do, then no amount of biblical persuasion will assauge that feeling

I hate 'em cause they are rich! of course never actually said with those words, but rather hinted at from behind a barricade of false humility and the belief there must be special rewards awaiting those who did not have a mansion on earth

 

[atwhatcost]

sorry everyone, atwhatcost and jaybird88, maybe my topic is not a good one, lets just all hope that people around the world will stop oppressing those who are weak and powerless in the name of the Lord. And let's just "agree to disagree". God bless everyone..

God covered this, so why hope against what he planned?
Eph. 6:5-9
Matt. 26:11
Deut. 15:7-18

You seem to be stuck with a generalized sense of God that isn't true. Instead of going with "what if," how about seeking "what is?"

 

[atwhatcost]

dont worry about us, if me and atwhatcost werent butting heads here we would do it on another thread, its what we do. and deep down i love her just dont tell anyone. i think she is a girl she has teddy bears on her pic

Yup. 59 year old who still loves teddy bears. Just don't forget, they are bears. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

Solomon said all is vanity, and that guy had a couple bucks.

I think he wrote that after hitting the 500 mark with wives and concubines. lol

 

[Jason0047]

It doesn't say an exact amount, though. That is my point. It's self explanatory that the more you make, the more you give back. But as far as an exact amount, the Bible doesn't say.

Are you still not seeing what it says in 1 Timothy 6?

It also says that they that are rich fall into temptation and a snare and into many foolish and hurtful lusts. It then says that those who have coveted after riches have erred from the faith and pierced themselves thru with many sorrows.

Now, here is the contrast.

The man of God.

Listen to what the man of God is supposed to do instead.

It says in 1 Timothy 6 that the man of God is to FLEE THESE THINGS. What things? Riches of course. What else is it talking about? It says INSTEAD that the man of God is supposed to FOLLOW after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness.

Here is the Scripture (that says what I just said):

9 "But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses."

 

[Jason0047]

You don't seem to understand that you can never out give God and the more you give the poor, God supplies more and more so that one always has an abundance.

God owns everything in the universe because He created it all. The only truly unique gift God can give us is what He did for us on the cross. But hoarding material wealth while others suffer goes against God's way of loving others.

Have you read the bible much?

Have you ever did a study on 1 Timothy 6 and understood what it says plainly?

 

[zoii]

So you are saying I could have 1 billion dollars in my bank account and not do anything to help the poor and or to spread the gospel and it would be okay? Would it still be okay even if I did those things with just a fraction of that money while I lived life like a king?

Hmmm..... doesn't really sound like it lines up too well with.... "He that shall save his life shall lose and he that shall lose his life for my sake shall save it."

What one has in their account and what they are doing with that money speaks to what is in their heart.

Jason - If you end up with a Billion Dollars you have my permission to share it with me

 

[Mitspa]

Are you still not seeing what it says in 1 Timothy 6?

It also says that they that are rich fall into temptation and a snare and into many foolish and hurtful lusts. It then says that those who have coveted after riches have erred from the faith and pierced themselves thru with many sorrows.

Now, here is the contrast.

The man of God.

Listen to what the man of God is supposed to do instead.

It says in 1 Timothy 6 that the man of God is to FLEE THESE THINGS. What things? Riches of course. What else is it talking about? It says INSTEAD that the man of God is supposed to FOLLOW after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness.

Here is the Scripture (that says what I just said):

9 "But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses."

Might want to read more of the bible and put things in proper biblical context?

2Co 9:6 ¶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.

 

[Jason0047]

Ok...but that don't change the FACT that God wants us to have an abundance to give to those in need...the greed of some cannot overcome the love and charity God has taught others.

Really? God fed the Israelites with manna from Heaven. Do you really think he needs us to make a ton of cash to provide for all the poor in the world? Did not Jesus say that the poor will always be among you? Can we change other problems that sin has caused in this world? Would it not be better to obey His Word instead of what our own logic says?

 

[Mitspa]

God owns everything in the universe because He created it all. The only truly unique gift God can give us is what He did for us on the cross. But hoarding material wealth while others suffer goes against God's way of loving others.



Have you ever did a study on 1 Timothy 6 and understood what it says plainly?

Sure have...did you know their is more written in Gods Word, than one passage of scripture from one book?

 

[Mitspa]

Really? God fed the Israelites with manna from Heaven. Do you really think he needs us to make a ton of cash to provide for all the poor in the world? Did not Jesus say that the poor will always be among you? Can we change other problems that sin has caused in this world?

Ok try reading and believing the Word of God....

2Co 9:6 ¶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.

 

[Jason0047]

Sure have...did you know their is more written in Gods Word, than one passage of scripture from one book?

The Old Covenant is not binding anymore; And that is where all the wealthy and prosperity preachers get their garabage theology from. They twist even what it says in the Old making it sound like the men of God from that time were Bill Gates or something.

 

[jsr1221]

Are you still not seeing what it says in 1 Timothy 6?

It also says that they that are rich fall into temptation and a snare and into many foolish and hurtful lusts. It then says that those who have coveted after riches have erred from the faith and pierced themselves thru with many sorrows.

Now, here is the contrast.

The man of God.

Listen to what the man of God is supposed to do instead.

It says in 1 Timothy 6 that the man of God is to FLEE THESE THINGS. What things? Riches of course. What else is it talking about? It says INSTEAD that the man of God is supposed to FOLLOW after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness.

Here is the Scripture (that says what I just said):

9 "But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses."

If someone works a job that pays well (I.e., a doctor) is that the person's fault? Of course not. It's what you choose to do with that money that's the difference. If you're offered a promotion at your job, I would like to think you wouldn't turn it down. I make 10 dollars an hour. I plan on going to grad school, and using my master's degree to get a job in the field I studied. Guess what? I won't be getting paid 10 dollars an hour anymore when that happens. Does that make me evil? Does that make you evil if you take the promotion your supervisor offers you? I'm not really sure what your point is.