Being Rich tends you to do evil things?

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Jason0047 said:
The Old Covenant is not binding anymore; And that is where all the wealthy and prosperity preachers get their garabage theology from. They twist even what it says in the Old making it sound like the men of God from that time were Bill Gates or something.
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Lets look at the clear and evident reading of Gods Word...your opinion about what the bible says has little value to me..

2Co 9:6 ¶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.


Now what part of these scriptures do you think God did not mean?

 
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Mitspa said:
Ok try reading and believing the Word of God....

2Co 9:6 ¶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
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The context is that you might abound unto every good work. What good work could that be? It would be giving to others. It would not be hoarding it for oneself. Just look at the gospels. John the Baptist said if you have two coats, give the one who needs it. Jesus said put your treasures in Heaven and not here upon this Earth. Treasure is whatever you hoard for yourself. It could be a stamp collection that clutters up your house or a ton of comic books, or it could be tons of cash stashed up in your ceiling. But Jesus said... for where your treasure is... there will your heart be also.
 
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Jason0047 said:
The context is that you might abound unto every good work. What good work could that be? It would be giving to others. It would not be hoarding it for oneself. Just look at the gospels. John the Baptist said if you have two coats, give the one who needs it. Jesus said put your treasures in Heaven and not here upon this Earth. Treasure is whatever you hoard for yourself. It could be a stamp collection that clutters up your house or a ton of comic books, or it could be tons of cash stashed up in your ceiling. But Jesus said... for where your treasure is... there will your heart be also.
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I have already made very clear that God blesses us to bless others and those in need...and again because someone is greedy...don't mean those of us who know love and charity are not going to have the evident blessings of God. In fact I would say those believers who don't see Gods abundance have not yet learned to give where God commands His Blessing...so don't get upset or jealous at others...but start obeying Gods Word!
 
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jsr1221 said:
If someone works a job that pays well (I.e., a doctor) is that the person's fault? Of course not. It's what you choose to do with that money that's the difference. If you're offered a promotion at your job, I would like to think you wouldn't turn it down. I make 10 dollars an hour. I plan on going to grad school, and using my master's degree to get a job in the field I studied. Guess what? I won't be getting paid 10 dollars an hour anymore when that happens. Does that make me evil? Does that make you evil if you take the promotion your supervisor offers you? I'm not really sure what your point is.
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When we say rich.... we are talking about making so much money that you begin to hoard it and you do not give it away to help those in need. For example: If you are a wealthy doctor and you have a ton of money stashed in the bank and a huge mansion and fancy cars and then you accept Christ, .... well.... things have to change. You cannot still have a super huge mansion for just yourself and you can't have fancy cars still and you cannot hoard tons o' cash in the bank just to make yourself feel secure. Remember, Jesus said he that shall save his life shall lose it and he that shall lose his life for his sake shall save it. If you are living your "best life now" you are really not living up to the words of Jesus when he says you shall lose your life for his sake.
 
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Mitspa said:
I have already made very clear that God blesses us to bless others and those in need...and again because someone is greedy...don't mean those of us who know love and charity are not going to have the evident blessings of God. In fact I would say those believers who don't see Gods abundance have not yet learned to give where God commands His Blessing...so don't get upset or jealous at others...but start obeying Gods Word!
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Does being rich sound like he that is losing his life for Christ's sake? Does it sound like they are placing their treasures here upon this Earth? Does it sound like they are the man of God in 1 Timothy 6 who is supposed to flee these kinds of things and instead seek after righteousness, etc?
 
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Jason0047 said:
When we say rich.... we are talking about making so much money that you begin to hoard it and you do not give it away to help those in need. If you are a doctor and you have a ton of money stashed in the bank and a huge mansion and fancy cars and then you accept Christ, .... well.... things have to change. You cannot still have a super huge mansion for just yourself and you can't have fancy cars still and you cannot hoard tons o' cash in the bank just to make yourself feel secure. Remember, Jesus said he that shall save his life shall lose it and he that shall lose his life for his sake shall save it. If you are living your "best life now" you are really not living up to the words of Jesus when he says you shall lose your life for his sake.
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Hence the part where I said it's common sense the more one makes the more one would give back. A person that does portoring for a living (cleaning parking lots, which is what I do) isn't able to live the life or give back the life as said doctor. I know what I need in this world, and it's not fancy cars or mansions. The more things one has to show, in my opinion, the more I think the person needs Christ. I mean does anyone really need an HD flatscreen TV that takes up half the living room?
 
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Jason0047 said:
Does being rich sound like he that is losing his life for Christ's sake? Does it sound like they are placing their treasures here upon this Earth? Does it sound like they are the man of God in 1 Timothy 6 who is supposed to flee these kinds of things and instead seek after righteousness, etc?
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Maybe you don't understand the biblical use of the term?

2Co 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


Now if you can only understand the term in context of the world and in terms of greed...I suggest you need more spiritual insight.
 
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raine28 said:
A lot of poor people aspire to become rich. In the process of becoming rich and gaining wealth, are you more prone to do evil things? If yes, does it mean you should try to avoid to be a very rich man? what are your opinions?
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yes definitely...

I think of the story of the guy that had a barn that had gotten too full... so he wants to build a bigger barn... but that night his soul is required of him...

(at the same time, I don't think we can point a finger at any particular person and say They are so rich, they must be doing evil...)

[I don't know about 'avoiding'... but definitely not seeking riches]
 
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Malachi chapter 3 hmmmmmmhmmmmmmm it does say something about money but that's just God's point of view......sorry....continue.
 
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Let us reason together so it makes sense to us....ok....got it.......Let us not be offended by any scripture least we will find fault in our thinking.....ok got it......Let us not listen to correction because Jesus ministers to individual needs so it makes it different for everyone ....got it. (Just me writing in the sand) sorry.
 
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Mitspa said:
I have already made very clear that God blesses us to bless others and those in need...and again because someone is greedy...don't mean those of us who know love and charity are not going to have the evident blessings of God. In fact I would say those believers who don't see Gods abundance have not yet learned to give where God commands His Blessing...so don't get upset or jealous at others...but start obeying Gods Word!
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How can you be rich if you give unto others so as to help them? Or are you in agreement that you can also hoard great riches in addition to helping? One is a matter of distribution and the other is in being rich.
 
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Now look here you doorknob. Why can't you understand what I'm trying to say?
I've explained it to you over and over so many times that I have lost count

What's that doorknob? You only turn one way?

Oh

Why didn't you just say so
 
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Jason0047 said:
How can you be rich if you give unto others so as to help them? Or are you in agreement that you can also hoard great riches in addition to helping? One is a matter of distribution and the other is in being rich.
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You cant outgive Gods ability to bless...and a believer who has learned to give will give from the abundance..the overflow of Gods blessing...and before you know it you have increase in your work and the supply is always there. You cant give what you don't first have... and the term "rich" is that you know your supply is not based on mans economy but Gods riches in glory. Its always there when the need arises for the work God has given us to do.
 
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For instance...I helped a poor couple out with some needs they had...the very next day my boss gave me a very large bonus ..out of the blue :) So I have only increased and now have even more to give..when and where God leads me to give.

This should be just very basic Christian logic...why this seems so far from some? Makes me wonder if some are not giving as God would desire of them?
 
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Jason0047 said:
How can you be rich if you give unto others so as to help them? Or are you in agreement that you can also hoard great riches in addition to helping? One is a matter of distribution and the other is in being rich.
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As I said in my original post, I always wonder if Abraham spent his days handing out money to the poor, or starting his own charities... Did he and Sarah buy the best that money could buy? Or did they shop at what would be the equivalent of Walmart in those days so that they could save more money to give away?

And Abraham's son Isaac was so wealthy that the Bible says even the pagan Philistines envied him.

As I also said in my original post, whatever Abraham did with his money, he must have been doing something right, because God called him His friend.

I don't know of any passages in which God scolded him for not giving away enough of his wealth or using the majority of it to give to the poor, but I could be wrong.
 
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omg ember I went my pants.:D
 
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raine28 said:
A lot of poor people aspire to become rich. In the process of becoming rich and gaining wealth, are you more prone to do evil things? If yes, does it mean you should try to avoid to be a very rich man? what are your opinions?
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lol you are very very rich just look at most pays in china and other places like that where if they don't work then do NOT eat we are fithy rich so ask yourself this question now.
 
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Jesus said it is easier camel to to the eyes of the needle than rich go to heaven.

Yes mean rich tend to do evil.
 
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