The Sad Lives Of Legalists And Sinless Perfectionists
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Amen.
How can paul consider all the crap he went through a MOMENTARY LIGHT AFFLICTION.
it is simple. he stated it over and over
His home was not of this world (he awaited a better home being built by His savior)
His body was not the body which now suffers (he is awaiting a glorious body)
He wished he could die, for to be absent from the body was to be present from the world.
His focus was eternity. How could be preach we are to look forward. if eternal life was not secure, If it was not real. if it could be lost. He would have to live for the day, and making sure he stayed saved, he could not focus on the eternal future, yet this is what he taught.
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Isn't it obvious how those who are coming down hard on folks about following the law do not exhibit the graciousness, the kindness and the love of Jesus Christ? They can't even fake sincerity. All you hear from them is, "I know the scriptures, I know the law and you people are contrary to that law!"
You never hear the sweetness and the mercy and the grace and the miraculous love of God in their words. It is all condemnation and burdening folks and boasting of their obedience. Doesn't that sound exactly like Saul of Tarsus before Jesus opened his eyes?
You never hear the sweetness and the mercy and the grace and the miraculous love of God in their words. It is all condemnation and burdening folks and boasting of their obedience. Doesn't that sound exactly like Saul of Tarsus before Jesus opened his eyes?
What exactly are we hoping for in Romans 8? What we cannot see. What is that we cannot see? The future redemption of our body. I would also include the fact that we would also hope (By sight unseen) in seeing Jesus, too.
Also, salvation is in three stages.
1. Justification
(Initial Salvation - Admitting your a sinner and accepting Christ as your Savior).
2. Sanctification
(Continued Salvation - Allowing Christ's righteousness to flow thru your life; If you sin, you must confess and forsake it).
3. Glorification
(Final Salvation - This is when the Lord takes you home; This would also include the bodily resurrection, too).
In addition, a saint can have an assurance of their salvation of eternal life (1 John 5:13). How can we have life? By knowing Jesus Christ. For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). How do we know for sure if we know Him?
"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:3-4).
Also, salvation is in three stages.
1. Justification
(Initial Salvation - Admitting your a sinner and accepting Christ as your Savior).
2. Sanctification
(Continued Salvation - Allowing Christ's righteousness to flow thru your life; If you sin, you must confess and forsake it).
3. Glorification
(Final Salvation - This is when the Lord takes you home; This would also include the bodily resurrection, too).
In addition, a saint can have an assurance of their salvation of eternal life (1 John 5:13). How can we have life? By knowing Jesus Christ. For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). How do we know for sure if we know Him?
"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:3-4).
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Rom. 6:2 God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? There for we are buried with him in baptism into death,.....even so we should walk in the newness of life....For he that is dead is free from sin. Now if we believe that we are dead with Christ , we should also live with him. Like wise reckon yourselves dead unto sin , but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our lord. Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin, but yield yourselves, but yield yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead. And if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
Isn't it obvious how those who are coming down hard on folks about following the law do not exhibit the graciousness, the kindness and the love of Jesus Christ? They can't even fake sincerity. All you hear from them is, "I know the scriptures, I know the law and you people are contrary to that law!"
You never hear the sweetness and the mercy and the grace and the miraculous love of God in their words. It is all condemnation and burdening folks and boasting of their obedience. Doesn't that sound exactly like Saul of Tarsus before Jesus opened his eyes?
You never hear the sweetness and the mercy and the grace and the miraculous love of God in their words. It is all condemnation and burdening folks and boasting of their obedience. Doesn't that sound exactly like Saul of Tarsus before Jesus opened his eyes?
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Well, I am not lying. It is true. I have been attacked personally for standing behind God's Word when discusing the topic of OSAS many, many times. In fact, if you do not believe me, you can just look at other threads on this topic on other Christian forums and you will see the same thing. Folks who stand up for God's Word are attacked. But Jesus said this would happen though.
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The apostle Peter spoke of apostasy in the church: (II Peter 2:20-22)
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
What so many false grace christians are saying is similar to what the serpent said to Eve, “you will surely not die” and what the false prophets said to Israel, “Peace, peace” when there was no peace. (Jeremiah 6:13-15)
For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. [false healing]
[SUP]15[/SUP]Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
The atonement sacrifice was to redeem all peoples from the curse of sin (which is spiritual death), but reverting back to sin willfully (after accepting the redemption and being cleansed from sin) is like Peter said, “the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
What so many false grace christians are saying is similar to what the serpent said to Eve, “you will surely not die” and what the false prophets said to Israel, “Peace, peace” when there was no peace. (Jeremiah 6:13-15)
For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. [false healing]
[SUP]15[/SUP]Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
The atonement sacrifice was to redeem all peoples from the curse of sin (which is spiritual death), but reverting back to sin willfully (after accepting the redemption and being cleansed from sin) is like Peter said, “the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
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Interesting
Any questionning of your unbiblical doctrine is an attack and you are VERY quick to whine about it.
Does whining about a supposed attack count as rejoicing for suffering?
You know, I don't think it does.
Honestly, I do not see other people in these forums who have their posts questionned whining the way that you do.
I guess it's all in the character of a person as to whether or not they will whine when, if they believed what scripture states, they would rejoice even if it is only a perceived attack.
I have been accused by you of attacking you...just recently in fact. When the truth was, that you spoke an untruth and accused me of mocking salvation...for which you later ... kind of...apologized...but then ruined it by making excuses.
Any questionning of your unbiblical doctrine is an attack and you are VERY quick to whine about it.
Does whining about a supposed attack count as rejoicing for suffering?
You know, I don't think it does.
Honestly, I do not see other people in these forums who have their posts questionned whining the way that you do.
I guess it's all in the character of a person as to whether or not they will whine when, if they believed what scripture states, they would rejoice even if it is only a perceived attack.
I have been accused by you of attacking you...just recently in fact. When the truth was, that you spoke an untruth and accused me of mocking salvation...for which you later ... kind of...apologized...but then ruined it by making excuses.
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Do you perfectly obey the whole law of God he desires you to keep? If you are not perfect in the flesh you commit sin
Please show me my post where I stayed I was looking forward to the next time I sin.
I am afraid there is no way round it. If you have a righteousness apart from the law jesus died for all your sin past, present and future
It is only when you believe that, that you can truly begin to live as God desires you to.
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace rom 6:14
That is biblical truth
Please show me my post where I stayed I was looking forward to the next time I sin.
I am afraid there is no way round it. If you have a righteousness apart from the law jesus died for all your sin past, present and future
It is only when you believe that, that you can truly begin to live as God desires you to.
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace rom 6:14
That is biblical truth
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Isn't it obvious how those who are coming down hard on folks about following the law do not exhibit the graciousness, the kindness and the love of Jesus Christ? They can't even fake sincerity. All you hear from them is, "I know the scriptures, I know the law and you people are contrary to that law!"
You never hear the sweetness and the mercy and the grace and the miraculous love of God in their words. It is all condemnation and burdening folks and boasting of their obedience. Doesn't that sound exactly like Saul of Tarsus before Jesus opened his eyes?
You never hear the sweetness and the mercy and the grace and the miraculous love of God in their words. It is all condemnation and burdening folks and boasting of their obedience. Doesn't that sound exactly like Saul of Tarsus before Jesus opened his eyes?
Yep. and he commited murder. and thought it was for god. and Go would praise him for his great work.
Saul was the blind leading the blind, Paul was the blind given sight, to heal other blind people.
First, Jesus illustrated spiritual truth by using real world examples (i.e. parables). You would think as important as OSAS supposedly is, that one could make a parable or real world example out of it. Out of my many years of debating the OSAS issue, I have put forth this challenge and none were able to actually make a real world example out of OSAS. Also, every time I ask for an explanation on many straight forward passages that warn that the believer can fall away or that there are Conditional Promises to the believer, one will look to either their own private interpretation in the Greek, or they are silent, or they come up with some crazy hair brained idea that does not actually fit the surrounding words for that verse.
Second, you will find no verse in the Bible stating that future sin is forgiven. Nor will you find any verse that ignores that we no longer have free will after having accepted Christ.
Third, morality is ignored with OSAS or it is either dodged in a very clever way. Some will admit that there is no morality with OSAS. Others will cower and hide at such a debate and will not really know what to say or others will come out and try and say I am attacking them personally (When in reality I am attacking the belief that is wrong and not the person). So these types of debates become an attack upon me personally rather than it being discussed Biblically. Now, if the truth was on your side, does it sound like that would happen?
Second, you will find no verse in the Bible stating that future sin is forgiven. Nor will you find any verse that ignores that we no longer have free will after having accepted Christ.
Third, morality is ignored with OSAS or it is either dodged in a very clever way. Some will admit that there is no morality with OSAS. Others will cower and hide at such a debate and will not really know what to say or others will come out and try and say I am attacking them personally (When in reality I am attacking the belief that is wrong and not the person). So these types of debates become an attack upon me personally rather than it being discussed Biblically. Now, if the truth was on your side, does it sound like that would happen?
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