The Sad Lives Of Legalists And Sinless Perfectionists

[Yahshua]

Sometimes when we want just a life of comfort and security, we condition ourselves to see what we want to see.

For Picard said,

"What I didn't put in the report was that at the end he gave me a choice - between a life of comfort or more torture. All I had to do was to say that I could see five lights when, in fact, there were only four."

The counselor replied,

"You didn't say it?"

Picard replied,

"No! No. But I was going to. I would have told him anything. Anything at all! But more than that, I believed that I could see five lights."

Excellent use of the scene. That is indeed what we do and what Paul said would happen. We are tempted to believe in a lie because the alternative is extremely uncomfortable. It is written that in the last days the old message must be prophesied again to everyone everywhere making them sick to their stomachs.

Revelation 10:9-11
9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


The message John was given he then had to speak again to everyone.

...The word "again" suggests that the message was given once before. Perhaps many forgot it.

...The words "belly" and "bitter" suggest that the message is not one that sits well inside once digested. The belly/flesh hates it.

The message given by Christ to John to give to his churches at the beginning of the book of Revelation is "you must stop doing your evil deeds (i.e. sins)"...i.e. repent.


John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds (i.e. works) were evil.

20 For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds (i.e. works) should be reproved (i.e. reprimanded/corrected/judged).

21 But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds (i.e. works) may be made manifest (i.e. shown), that they are wrought in (i.e. shaped by) God


Sin is an "evil deed"; any action that transgresses God's law.

We are expected to repent: stop our evil deeds and do "the deeds shaped by God"

...in other words, perform the actions that are the opposite of sins...

If a sin is a transgression of God's law...what is the opposite action of a sin?

 

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so quoting the bible out of context would that be a lie. ware did you get repent. (acts 2 is jewish, not gentiles.)

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purposeGalatians 2

.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?


7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5

 

[KennethC]

The Sad Lives Of Legalists And Sinless Perfectionists


so quoting the bible out of context would that be a lie. ware did you get repent. (acts 2 is jewish, not gentiles.)

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purposeGalatians 2

.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?


7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5

2 Corinthians 7:10 and 12:21 was Apostle Paul speaking on repentance to Gentiles.

Repentance is to be done by all not just Jews !!!

 

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lol.. I told ya man, I am still going to expose the lies and the contradictions you keep bringing up. If you don;t want to see it don't look. it is for other peoples benefit not yours at this point.

 

[royalscot]

2 Corinthians 7:10 and 12:21 was Apostle Paul speaking on repentance to Gentiles.

Repentance is to be done by all not just Jews !!!

prove you have the law. with 70 ad. and acts 15.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Sad Lives Of Legalists And Sinless Perfectionists


so quoting the bible out of context would that be a lie. ware did you get repent. (acts 2 is jewish, not gentiles.)

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purposeGalatians 2

.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?


7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5

they can't comprehend the fact that because they do not preach law (of moses) they still teach law (salved by works) and thus making the grace of God to no effect (in reality, mocking God)

 

[dcontroversal]

Keeping your false allegations going I see as you seem to not know how to stop !!!

I have and always have spoken on a true faith in Christ unto salvation that the bible speaks on, and that true faith the bible shows is an active faith. It gives strict warnings to those who are disobedient to the gospel of Christ !!!

2 Thessalonians 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Look kenneth...you can deny, argue, use semantics and at the end of the day faith plus works equals a works based salvation....this is a gospel of a different kind, it has no power to save and is false. The bible teaches that faith and faith alone saves period. The bible teaches that some saved are honorable with works of gold, silver and precious stones...some are not honorable with works of wood, hay and stubble...the works do not save us, keep us saved and or facillitate salvation....you teach faith plus works...that is a works based false gospel...no need to deny it..you have hundreds of posts that prove that you teach a works based false gospel!

 

[Jason0047]

Well first of all yes there are consequences and other sides to those commands you just mentioned.
For one if you do not rejoice in being persecuted, but instead faulter do to being persecuted and deny and turn away from the Lord to not face the persecution any more. You have just denied the Lord and will face consequences for doing so.

Second yes there are commands that do not deal with salvation but do have a major influence on Spiritual growth, but baptism is not one of them that deals with only Spiritual growth.

Lord Jesus clearly said that if you are not born again you will not enter the kingdom of heaven, and being baptized is part of the born again process to be taken and is what sets us as His disciples.

Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:17 did not do away with baptism as Paul continued to talk about it in other places, and if you continue to read in his epistles you would see that he left the other things of the gospel such as baptism for the other Apostles/disciples/co-workers to do.

His main goal was preaching the word, just as Jesus did in the gospel books, as Jesus did not do the baptizing Himself but left that to the 12 to do. I just love how people still try to use that passage from Paul to try and say baptism was done away with.

Apostle Peter says it is a sign of a clear conscious and is also an anti-type that now saves.....1 Peter 3:21
Peter more then once shows it is part of the salvation process, and so does Paul as they show it how we die to our old self and rise a new creation in the Spirit. Also the bible shows that water and blood both are used in the sanctification process, which is why Jesus told Nicodemus why he did not understand the process when sanctification always required both.

Once again it comes back to that slippery slope, if you are going to tell others to be disobedient by you don't have to follow that command. What other commands are you going to tell others they don't have to do also?

The bible has strict warnings about disobedience.........

No, I was born again spiritually long before I was baptized. I know because my life had changed and I had the same desires of walking in the fruits of the Spirit that I do now. Being born again of water is NOT talking about baptism because people had already received the Spirit without water baptism. Being born again of water is talking about being born again of incorruptible seed (Which is the Word of God). For Christ sanctifices the church (us) with the washing (water) of the Word (See Ephesians 5:25-26). One is born by the Spirit and one is born by the Word of God. That is what being born by the Spirit and being born by water means. Baptism is just an outward symbol or picture. Peter says baptism does now save us.... BUT NOT FOR THE PUTTING AWAY OF THE FILTH OF THE FLESH. This is in context to sin because that is where the Bible defines "filth of the flesh" elsewhere (See 2 Corinthians 7:1). Also, I would like a reference in Scripture that one is Hell-bound if one does not rejoice if they are persecuted, too. I did not really see that in Scripture. So there is no slippery slope, my dear friend.

 

[mailmandan]

No. There was no crossroads. One either has the Truth or they don't have the Truth.

Once these Hebrews were presented with the truth, they were at a crossroad and needed to make a decision. Either believe to the saving of the soul or else we draw back to perdition. *Notice in Hebrews 4:1,2 - For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; (both groups received the gospel truth) BUT the word which THEY heard (they received it, but refused to believe) did not profit THEM, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For WE who have believed do enter that rest.. *Obviously, not all of these Hebrews were believers. *Notice that verses 2-3 makes a distinction between US who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and THEM who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.

For someone can go from believing to then not believing anymore.

This shallow temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away that you just described is not saving belief. Saving belief is rooted in Christ, produces fruit and continues.

There were many disciples that believed Jesus for a time and then they stopped following Him. Why? Because they stopped believing.

No, it was because their shallow temporary belief had no root and was not saving belief. In the latter part of John chapter six, after Jesus' hard sayings about eating of His flesh and blood, many of His disciples complained. We are told that Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that did not believe and who would betray Him (v. 64). In verse 66 it says, "From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more." This group had been called 'disciples', but He says they did not believe, and finally they left. From Jesus' very words, we know that they were not saved in the first place. They set out to follow His teachings yet look at how easily they were offended and walked with Him no more. What kind of belief/trust/reliance in Jesus is that?

Read on in John 6:67 - Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?" 68 But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve. Judas Iscariot is included in the group that Jesus described in John 6:64. He was an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Jesus (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11). Notice in John 8:31, that Jesus said - "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine. Those who did not continue are not truly His disciples.

If they didn't believe in the beginning, then they would have never spread the gospel and cast out demons, etc. For Jesus even said for them to rejoice that their names were written in Heaven. Meaning, when they believed and had God's power, they were saved.

Jesus didn't tell everyone who initially set out to be a disciple of His that their name is written in Heaven. In Matthew 7:22, we read - Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' According to your logic, these many people must have been saved, yet Jesus told them in verse 23 - I NEVER knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

But because they stopped believing to the saving of the soul, then they became unsaved. They were cut off because of unbelief.

Stopped believing to the saving of the soul? They never believed to the saving of the soul. Instead, they drew back to perdition. The Bible nowhere says became "unsaved." Unbelief is unbelief and saving belief is saving belief. Temporary shallow belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away is not and never was saving belief.

 

[JGIG]

You wrongly assume that the New Covenant is an agreement between God and the believer in Christ.

It's not.

The New Covenant is an agreement between God and Himself, manifested and carried out by Christ. God set the terms, Christ fulfilled them, and the result is an agreement into which we enter as beneficiaries freely by faith. It's steadfastness is not based on our 'true love' for God, but on the Work of Christ on our behalf:

13 When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself, 14 saying, “I will surely bless you and give you many descendants.” 15 And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised.

16 People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. 17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. 19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. (from Heb. 6)

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16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 When Moses had proclaimed every command of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20 He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.” 21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. (from Heb. 9)​

I'm with you on the free will thing - we enter into the Covenant cut between the Father and the Son by an act of belief in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. The 'true love' thing is a response to the love of God, and your romanticized notion of it demonstrates that you may have stretched some Biblical metaphors beyond their intent.

We love God because He first loved us. My husband and I have seven children. They love us because we first loved them - they respond to and reciprocate our love. When we receive Christ, we are born of God. Same concept. We learn to trust God in all areas of our lives over the course of our lives - Him building relationship with us, us building relationship with Him . . . and it's all rooted in the hope that is set before us - the anchor for our soul - the Work of Christ. And He is soooo much more dependable than human parents are in His feeding, nurturing, disciplining, steadfastness, dependability, and ultimate provision for us \o/!

That's the true love in which believers in Christ can rest.

-JGIG

Did you really say that?

I have no clue what goes thru you peoples minds when you read the bible - if you read it.
There is two examples of the most unbiblical doctrine I have ever seen in my life.
Neither of you can come close to supporting what you said by scripture.
Only the most obscene twisting and perverting of His words endorses those statements.
Incredible.

The Bible says that.

Same with the covenant with Abraham.

Did Abraham do anything to implement that covenant?

No.

How did he enter into it?

By faith.

Have you done anything to implement the New Covenant?

No.

God's requirements of man were met in Christ; that's why God had to come in the flesh, because we could not accomplish what only He could, so He did.

That's one big reason the concept of our triune God is important to grasp.

God came in the flesh to keep the Law we couldn't and died the death we deserved, accomplished the resurrection we couldn't, ascended back into heaven, and represents us as only the One Who did all that can.

And what do the Scriptures say He requires of us to enter into that covenant that He and only He established?

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)​

That, my friend, is the Good News of the Gospel.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Of course you would have went to heaven.

1. Did God love you any less than when he saved you? how could he, when he saved you, you were his enemy, you were farther away from him than you would ever be the rest of your life before this time. God would have loved you even more (if you were really saved) because he already had a relationship with you.
2. Did you surprise God, and do something he did not know you were going to do when he gave you his gift of eternal life? Of Course not. God saved you KNOWING you would be a prodigal son. (if you were saved at all)
3. finally. Do you not think rather than do what Jason, KennethC and others enslaved by legalism would tell you, God would have corrected you and chastened you to bring you back to him (which is seems, this MIGHT be what he did)

Remember, God chastens those who are his. Not those who are illegitimate. (of course, you could also have just suffered from the sin of drunkenness, and punished yourself, if you were not his, and this led you back to seek him out.

The question is, if you have not found him yet, are you still looking? or do you think you already found him?

the fact you think God, as a loving father, who saved you at your worse, would not kick you out of his family when you are down in the dumps. would make me wonder seriously if you know God at all.

I don't think I would question whether or not he knows God at all, he just doesn't know God as well as he could .

I'd encourage him to look back and see God's faithfulness to him when he was unfaithful - God has demonstrated His character to him in his own life; he's just misinterpreting it.

Just keep pointing them to Jesus and His Gospel, guys, and let Him work out the details .

That's the really cool thing about the Gospel: It corrects error and leads folks to Christ - no matter the ailment, the Gospel is the cure \o/! And thankfully, results are up to God and the individual, not us!

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

But the Anti-OSAS Proponent is not the one defending a sin and still be saved doctrine. For to do so would obviously be condoning evil.

Jason, you have some repenting and confessing to do.

Unless you can produce ONE SINGLE post where we have defended sin and condone evil.

If you cannot, you are bearing false witness.

-JGIG

 

[Jason0047]

No, I was born again spiritually long before I was baptized. I know because my life had changed and I had the same desires of walking in the fruits of the Spirit that I do now. Being born again of water is NOT talking about baptism because people had already received the Spirit without water baptism. Being born again of water is talking about being born again of incorruptible seed (Which is the Word of God). For Christ sanctifices the church (us) with the washing (water) of the Word (See Ephesians 5:25-26). One is born by the Spirit and one is born by the Word of God. That is what being born by the Spirit and being born by water means. Baptism is just an outward symbol or picture. Peter says baptism does now save us.... BUT NOT FOR THE PUTTING AWAY OF THE FILTH OF THE FLESH. This is in context to sin because that is where the Bible defines "filth of the flesh" elsewhere (See 2 Corinthians 7:1). Also, I would like a reference in Scripture that one is Hell-bound if one does not rejoice if they are persecuted, too. I did not really see that in Scripture. So there is no slippery slope, my dear friend.

Granted, I am not saying that we should disobey God's Commands just because there is no consequence mentioned in not obeying it. No, no. That would be silly. I am bought and paid for with a price and my life is not my own; And we are to have a healthy fear of God that leads us to our knees and a changed life of forsaking sin if we have disobeyed Him. The Lord's burden is easy and it is light. Keeping His commands is not grievous. To love God and to love others. That is the heart of all of the Commands in the New Testament. So many wonderful ways of righteousness that will lead us deeper and deeper into the Lord's love and comfort. For we are to be ye perfect as He is perfect indeed (Abhoring that which is evil and yet loving the person whereby we can lead them to the glorious Truth, way, and life that can only be found in Jesus Christ).

 

[Jason0047]

Jason, you have some repenting and confessing to do.

Unless you can produce ONE SINGLE post where we have defended sin and condone evil.

If you cannot, you are bearing false witness.

-JGIG

I am not bearing false witness at all. EVERY single OSAS proponent I have run into (Both online and in person) has made the claim that they do not believe that they can stop sinning. In fact, they are strongly against it. But see, when you say you are going to do evil in the future because you have some fallen nature is just making an excuse the next time you know you will sin is essentially saying you have a license to sin. That Grace is going to cover your future evil (that you KNOW will happen). One is accepting their defeat into being a slave to sin instead of believing that one can be a slave to righteousness (As the Scriptures teach). So whether one struggles with sin is not the issue (Because all believers have stumbled on their road to recovery). It is your mindset and how you view sin. Do you see yourself as a slave to sin? Or as a slave to righteousness? See the end of Romans chapter 6.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

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And what do the Scriptures say He requires of us to enter into that covenant that He and only He established?

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)​

That, my friend, is the Good News of the Gospel.

-JGIG

Amen and Amen . . . . was thinking about this very thing earlier. What is "THE faith"? Faith in the good news of the gospel. Makes me think of Peter's first sermon @ Pentecost:

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden in it . . . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried and his sepulcre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which you now see and hear . . . Acts 2:22-24; 29-33

THE faith in Christ according to the good news we have heard - total trust in the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ to accomplish ALL that God, our Father, has promised.

 

[Jason0047]

Excellent use of the scene. That is indeed what we do and what Paul said would happen. We are tempted to believe in a lie because the alternative is extremely uncomfortable. It is written that in the last days the old message must be prophesied again to everyone everywhere making them sick to their stomachs.

Revelation 10:9-11
9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


The message John was given he then had to speak again to everyone.

...The word "again" suggests that the message was given once before. Perhaps many forgot it.

...The words "belly" and "bitter" suggest that the message is not one that sits well inside once digested. The belly/flesh hates it.

The message given by Christ to John to give to his churches at the beginning of the book of Revelation is "you must stop doing your evil deeds (i.e. sins)"...i.e. repent.


John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds (i.e. works) were evil.

20 For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds (i.e. works) should be reproved (i.e. reprimanded/corrected/judged).

21 But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds (i.e. works) may be made manifest (i.e. shown), that they are wrought in (i.e. shaped by) God


Sin is an "evil deed"; any action that transgresses God's law.

We are expected to repent: stop our evil deeds and do "the deeds shaped by God"

...in other words, perform the actions that are the opposite of sins...

If a sin is a transgression of God's law...what is the opposite action of a sin?

Thank you, my brother; And I was thinking of the "Condemnation" mentioned in Scripture, too (John 3:19-21; c.f. with Romans 8:1).

Oh, and I was thinking of that a few weeks ago. What are the opposites of various Laws that men transgress? For example: Giving would be the opposite of stealing. Laying down your own life in service to others in love is the opposite of murder. Desiring to give good gifts to others instead of coveting. Granted, there are Pro-Laws like love the Lord your God, etc. (Where there is no opposite). But I do always find great treasure whenever I do a study on His Commands, not so as to puff up myself (Like some might do), but so as to draw closer to the One who is all the source of love and goodness in this life (i.e. the Lord Jesus Christf who is God Almighty in the flesh). For let all the glory, honor, and power go unto Him. For I am nothing and He is everything indeed.

Anyways, thank you again brother for the verses.

Peace be unto you.
And may the Lord bless you in all things.

 

[Willie-T]

I am not bearing false witness at all. EVERY single OSAS proponent I have run into (Both online and in person) has made the claim that they do not believe that they can stop sinning. In fact, they are strongly against it. But see, when you say you are going to do evil in the future because you have some fallen nature is just making an excuse the next time you know you will sin is essentially saying you have a license to sin. That Grace is going to cover your future evil (that you KNOW will happen). One is accepting their defeat into being a slave to sin instead of believing that one can be a slave to righteousness (As the Scriptures teach). So whether one struggles with sin is not the issue (Because all believers have stumbled on their road to recovery). It is your mindset and how you view sin. Do you see yourself as a slave to sin? Or as a slave to righteousness? See the end of Romans chapter 6.

This is really all you are doing....

 

[PennEd]

The Bible says that.

Same with the covenant with Abraham.

Did Abraham do anything to implement that covenant?

No.

How did he enter into it?

By faith.

Have you done anything to implement the New Covenant?

No.

God's requirements of man were met in Christ; that's why God had to come in the flesh, because we could not accomplish what only He could, so He did.

That's one big reason the concept of our triune God is important to grasp.

God came in the flesh to keep the Law we couldn't and died the death we deserved, accomplished the resurrection we couldn't, ascended back into heaven, and represents us as only the One Who did all that can.

And what do the Scriptures say He requires of us to enter into that covenant that He and only He established?

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. (from 1 Jn. 3)​

That, my friend, is the Good News of the Gospel.

-JGIG

The Holy Spirit is really speaking through you today sister!

 

[Magenta]

Repenting is an act of the will.