Protestants follow many Catholic traditions that began during the 1st century

[just-me]

Regardless of the rude, crude and hateful attacks against the true foundational Faith by a multitude of naysayers who are ignorant of the Scriptures, there is a growing number of both Jews and Gentiles who are returning to God according to the original precepts of God's Word, and living the faith of Jesus Christ that was once delivered to the righteous.
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“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” (Jude 1:3)
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Clearly there is a very stark difference between what the post-apostolic founders of the Gentile Church taught and what the original apostles that followed Jesus Christ lived and taught. ​

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“O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods? Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The Lord. (Jeremiah 16:19-21)​

 

[Elin]

In these “end times” it is imperative to understand that these three men, mentioned on this thread, are “pillars of the Church.” Their teachings have influenced every soul who has ever called themselves Christian in the last 1,800 years.​

Baloney. . .pure and undefiled.

Christianity is not based on Origen, Marcion and Tertullian.

What an absurd attempt to unseat NT Christianity by locating its roots in false doctrines of men, thereby legitimizing its replacement with the HRM Greek vs. Christ heresy.

Your heresy is contrary to the NT word of God, which you cannot unseat,
so you seek to unseat NT Christianity.

Only Satan seeks to unseat NT Christianity.

The HRM Greek vs. Christ heresy does what its father does.

And you have been duped by it.




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[sparkman]

I see you're back again. Too bad you can't spell Nephesh lol.

Same old broken record spinning around and around again.

I hope that someone will find your thread informative, and that it will lead them to the truth. But it really isn't possible for people to accept the truth unless the Father removes the scale from their eyes. It's God who puts the desire for truth in people's hearts, and calls them out of the world, and into the Church. And no one can come to Christ unless the Father calls Him.

2 Corinthians 4:4
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In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

If anyone comes to the truth today, it won't be because you revealed it to them. But because they've been chosen to believe. Good luck.

 

[M33]

Naphesh...

Ultimately, it is the Father who has chosen us. But to state that we need "good luck" to be chosen, is simply heretical. Jesus would not have given the Great Commission, if a fatalistic predestination was all that mattered.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal things,
but the glory of kings is to search things out.

The reason that all of creation declares His glory, is so we seek His Way, His Truth, and His Life. There is a reason for this life, and that is to discover the reasons to give God the Glory of all that was, is, and ever will be, by seeking His Will.

Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Notice that the above Scripture is in the past tense meaning after receiving salvation. Once we have humbly asked Jesus to be our Lord and Savior, and are saved, then we can thank God for choosing us.

John 6:29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

We are not saved by our works. But this verse says we have His work to do. Thus sitting on predestination is critically in error, with eternal consequences.

Maranatha

 

[just-me]

The arguments that were instigated on this thread prove the thread title to be correct for those that instigated the controversies. HRM, Judaizers, and Legalists are common terms used by those who have adopted the heresies that began with the "Universal Church" evolving into Catholicism.

If we were truly going to be protesting against Catholicism, we wouldn't celebrate their man made traditions such as Easter and Christmas. This religion that I am against was for the sole purpose of sustaining the Empire of Rome, and these men that I mentioned throughout this thread endorsed theology that the Catholic denomination adopted.

If a person denies/protests the Roman Catholic persuasion, then they either have to adopt the faith of Jewish believers, or reject both in their own minds. Rejecting the Jewish believers faith (such as the Apostle Paul's faith and worship) leaves them with no alternative but to celebrate Catholic instigated holidays rather than God ordained statutes, which name calling, controversy, assumptions, and labeling confirm.

Follow Paul instead of this false heretical religious persuasion, for He said; "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

 

[BS]

Surely NOT, but try to convince those who belived in the RCC´s teachings.

Just for me:

Jesus chose common men as apostles (not as new priests?) and soon after Paul appeared to "organized" what common men did not arrange the way Catholic liked...

Paul has not any fault
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

But God is always in control

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

PS. The sword does not have an update in Bulgarian - it is empty /there is written the translation is from 1929 - I would like to see it, but first one is from 855 /

 

[Elin]

The arguments that were instigated on this thread prove the thread title to be correct
for those that instigated the controversies. HRM, Judaizers, and Legalists are common terms used by those who have adopted the heresies that began with the "Universal Church" evolving into Catholicism.

Baloney. . .Christ's church is not built on heresy.

If a person denies/protests the Roman Catholic persuasion, then they either have to adopt the faith of Jewish believers, or reject both in their own minds. Rejecting the Jewish believers faith (such as the Apostle Paul's faith and worship)

Not too subtle about your agenda there, are you?

How did you get sucked into this revision of the gospel?

The apostle Paul's faith in Jesus Christ was no different than the Gentile faith in Jesus Christ, or anyone else's faith in Jesus Christ.

What's all this non-NT dividing about?

leaves them with no alternative but to celebrate Catholic instigated holidays rather than God ordained statutes, which name calling, controversy, assumptions, and labeling confirm.

This is such theologically self-serving and self-righteous rhetoric, it staggers the mind.

Follow Paul instead of this false heretical religious persuasion, for He said; "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

I rest my case.

"The Law" is the Pentateuch. . ."the Law and the Prophets" was one of their names for all the Scriptures.

 

[MikeHenderson]

You do know Paul was a Gentile just-me? I do study all the time what Paul has said in the Scriptures.

The problem today is most people just study religion which is man based instead of studying Theology which is God based.

I am a student in the study of Reformed Theology, which is the study of God.

 

[just-me]

You do know Paul was a Gentile just-me? I do study all the time what Paul has said in the Scriptures.

The problem today is most people just study religion which is man based instead of studying Theology which is God based.

I am a student in the study of Reformed Theology, which is the study of God.

I think you ought to include the Bible in your studies because it seems as if your theology class is not from the same God that gave us the scriptures, unless you believe the Bible is wrong.

Paul wrote of himself "I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people." Acts 21:39

Then He said in Philippians 3:3-6
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

The tribe of Benjamin is affiliated with the tribe of Judah in the Old testament. The other 10 tribes (outside of those 2) are affiliated with Ephraim.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Paul was a Jew AND a Roman citizen! Paul was a Roman!

Its you who really need to understand who Paul was before you stomp on people!

"Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos; c. 5 – c. 67), originally known as Saul of Tarsus (Hebrew: שאול התרסי‎; Greek: Σαῦλος Ταρσεύς Saulos Tarseus),[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] was an apostle (though not one of the Twelve Apostles) who taught the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.[SUP][7][/SUP] He is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] In the mid-30s to the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Paul used his status as both a Jew and a Roman citizen to advantage in his ministry to both Jewish and Roman audiences."

To be a Roman citizen you must be born in Rome. Paul was a true Roman citizen.

 

[Mitspa]

Paul was a Jew AND a Roman citizen! Paul was a Roman!

Its you who really need to understand who Paul was before you stomp on people!

"Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos; c. 5 – c. 67), originally known as Saul of Tarsus (Hebrew: שאול התרסי‎; Greek: Σαῦλος Ταρσεύς Saulos Tarseus),[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] was an apostle (though not one of the Twelve Apostles) who taught the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.[SUP][7][/SUP] He is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] In the mid-30s to the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Paul used his status as both a Jew and a Roman citizen to advantage in his ministry to both Jewish and Roman audiences."

To be a Roman citizen you must be born in Rome. Paul was a true Roman citizen.

Paul stated that He "purchased" his citizenship

 

[just-me]

Paul was a Jew AND a Roman citizen! Paul was a Roman!

Its you who really need to understand who Paul was before you stomp on people!

"Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos; c. 5 – c. 67), originally known as Saul of Tarsus (Hebrew: שאול התרסי‎; Greek: Σαῦλος Ταρσεύς Saulos Tarseus),[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] was an apostle (though not one of the Twelve Apostles) who taught the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.[SUP][7][/SUP] He is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] In the mid-30s to the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Paul used his status as both a Jew and a Roman citizen to advantage in his ministry to both Jewish and Roman audiences."

To be a Roman citizen you must be born in Rome. Paul was a true Roman citizen.

You've got it correct about Paul being a Jew! I do have a question though. If Paul was from Tarsus (I think in Greece) wasn't that a providence of Rome, therefore making Him a Roman citizen? I really don't know. Or did he purchase it as Mitspa says? Edification time.

 

[prove-all]

Paul was a Jew AND a Roman citizen! Paul was a Roman!

Its you who really need to understand who Paul was before you stomp on people!

"Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos; c. 5 – c. 67), originally known as Saul of Tarsus (Hebrew: שאול התרסי‎; Greek: Σαῦλος Ταρσεύς Saulos Tarseus),[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] was an apostle (though not one of the Twelve Apostles) who taught the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.[SUP][7][/SUP] He is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] In the mid-30s to the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Paul used his status as both a Jew and a Roman citizen to advantage in his ministry to both Jewish and Roman audiences."

To be a Roman citizen you must be born in Rome. Paul was a true Roman citizen.

yes Saul of Tarsus was a roman.

but he was changed and renamed, Paul was not a roman citizen of this world,

His citisenship now as Paul was of heaven

 

[jaybird88]

I've only begun. Denying Torah, and Sabbaths (with God ordained feast days) I have quoted previously which the protestant Churches deny also. (for the most part)
Pope Gregory also denied the Biblical calendar and now we all abide by the Gregorian calendar. Every day is named after some pagan god, along with 8 months out of 12. Or there abouts.

i think the calendar is one of many pagan traditions that have infected Christianity. people never think or ask why they just keep doing it cause the next guy does.

 

[M33]

Tarsus was located in South Central Turkey. It was the capital of Cilicia. The Greeks (from Argos) claimed to have ties to the origin of Tarsus, but clearly it was a Roman area. He moved to Jerusalem as a young man, and did not actually go to Rome until after his education. (probably considerably later. Thus saith the source I found...FYI...)

"During this time of Pompey (67 BC), Tarsus was made capital over the Roman province of Cilicia, and Jews began to receive Roman citizenship."

I don't understand why Paul would be considered anything but a Jew (obviously a Christian in beliefs.) But Jews can certainly remain Jews even as Christian believers...(ergo Jews for Jesus.)

 

[M33]

Hey Mitspa,

With all due respect, I have never seen any Scripture where Paul says he "purchased" his Roman citizenship. Especially since it was given to all Jews in the South Central Turkey city of Tarsus. (Which was a Roman area at this time.) Could you please show the Bible passage from where you learned about a purchase. Thank you.

Maranatha

 

[MiaH]

Conspirarcy..

I like playing this song in the back ground while reading all your posts on the Conspiracy & Corruption Discussion Forum.

You know who you are.....

Muahahaha..

[video=youtube;HQoRXhS7vlU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU[/video]

 

[sparkman]

Not that you need this, but I will second the credentials of Dr. Brown... Extremely bright Jewish born Christian, and a very credible source!

Maranatha

On those types of topics I'd listen to him.

I got to talk to him a bit on his program about the Sabbath/festival related issues. I was interested on his take concerning those who claim that other Christians are following a fake form of Christianity. As an Armstrongite I believed similar teachings.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Paul was born to parents who were Romans. Paul never bought his citizenship. Paul was both Jewish and a gentile. This is why God gave him the work of bringing the Gospel to the gentiles and gave Peter the work of bringing the Gospel to the Jews.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Acts 22:27-29
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then the commander came and said to him, "Tell me, are you a Roman?" He said, "Yes."
[SUP]28 [/SUP] The commander answered, "With a large sum I obtained this citizenship." And Paul said, "But I was born a citizen."
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Then immediately those who were about to examine him withdrew from him; and the commander was also afraid after he found out that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him.

Paul was born a Roman citizen.