Protestants follow many Catholic traditions that began during the 1st century

[just-me]

Paul was born to parents who were Romans. Paul never bought his citizenship. Paul was both Jewish and a gentile. This is why God gave him the work of bringing the Gospel to the gentiles and gave Peter the work of bringing the Gospel to the Jews.

If Paul (as he spoke of himself) was a Gentile, then he couldn't be a Jew at the same time, for he clearly defines the difference in His writings and also claim himself to be a Jew.

"But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people." Acts 21:39

Rome, of course was a Gentile nation, but just because one is a citizen of a Gentile town located in a Roman province doesn't change the persons ethnicity. He also claims to be a citizen of the Roman province of Cilicia where the town of Tarsus is located. See the map above.

Paul was clearly a descendant of the tribe of Benjamin who is affiliated with Judah under the rule of the Israelite kings. The "House of Ephraim" is separate, which includes the other 10 tribes in the OT captured by the Assyrians. Judah and Benjamin were taken by the Babylonians and returned later to Jerusalem with Ezra and Nehemiah.

Paul writes of himself "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;" Philippians 3:5

We find no family tree for Saul/Paul in the Bible, so we have to take his word for it, so in respect to what he claims of himself, his family lineage had been very attached to Pharisaic traditions and observances of the Mosaic law for generations.

"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, (obviously Israelites) believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

There is no record in the Bible as Paul being a Gentile. Just the opposite, being called by God to minister the New Testament "mystery" to the Gentiles.

Romans 2:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

 

[Mec99]

Paul was both Jewish and a gentile. Paul was called by God to bring the Gospel to the gentiles.

Galatians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles)

Yes, God brought the Gospel to the Jewish people first, then later He also brought the Gospel to the gentiles.

Why are you so hung up on Paul? What does it matter if a person is Jewish or a gentile?

Do you not know we are all equal in the eyes of God or are you trying to put one race above all other races?

 

[pwrnJC]

Although this post is very insightful and cool, I find that people, when faced with actual facts, still choose to stick to their guns, no matter what the founding fathers of their particular denomination or 'religion" believed or advocated. I used to think that if present day people knew the facts behind their chosen place of worship, they would run! Nope, I was wrong. I have given page after page of the history of their affiliation and they look at it and say..."Uh, that is just NOT true!" If people knew about the mystical Joseph Smith, or the ruthless Mohammed, or the heretical early catholics in the Dark Ages, etc....you would think they would flee.....but old satan has them bound. If I were you...and surely you possess a gift of knowledge, I would take on a more personal mission of soul winning where you do not have to deal with those already entrenched with religious dogma...Share your personal testimony, or utilize some of your spiritual gifts that GIVES GOD the GLORY...instead of just posting historical facts...which do not actually 'save' a person..in fact, they will cause the person to reject YOU...meaning they have missed another chance to meet JESUS...So..introduce JESUS to them, relish and rejoice in HIM, instead of digging up past blunders and boo-boos of others. You become more impressionable and offer HOPE.

 

[BS]

Conspirarcy..

I like playing this song in the back ground while reading all your posts on the Conspiracy & Corruption Discussion Forum.

You know who you are.....

Muahahaha..

[video=youtube;HQoRXhS7vlU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU[/video]

I am so glad to see you here!!@!!!

 

[Mec99]

I have in my earlier days have gone out to the Highways and byways to spread the Gospel of Salvation to those who need Christ.

Unfortunately i am not able physically to do that any more. I have been put out to pasture as they say. House bound by old age.

Its true that some people in here are not here to hear the Word of God, the Truth, but are here to spread the lies of Satan and want nothing to do with the Truth.

 

[Elin]

Paul was both Jewish and a gentile. Paul was called by God to bring the Gospel to the gentiles.

Galatians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles)

Yes, God brought the Gospel to the Jewish people first, then later He also brought the Gospel to the gentiles.

Why are you so hung up on Paul? What does it matter if a person is Jewish or a gentile?

Do you not know we are all equal in the eyes of God or are you trying to put one race above all other races?

Observant. . .

 

[Elin]

Although this post is very insightful and cool, I find that people, when faced with actual facts, still choose to stick to their guns, no matter what the founding fathers of their particular denomination or 'religion" believed or advocated. I used to think that if present day people knew the facts behind their chosen place of worship, they would run! Nope, I was wrong. I have given page after page of the history of their affiliation and they look at it and say..."Uh, that is just NOT true!" If people knew about the mystical Joseph Smith, or the ruthless Mohammed, or the heretical early catholics in the Dark Ages, etc....you would think they would flee.....but old satan has them bound. If I were you...and surely you possess a gift of knowledge, I would take on a more personal mission of soul winning where you do not have to deal with those already entrenched with religious dogma...Share your personal testimony, or utilize some of your spiritual gifts that GIVES GOD the GLORY...instead of just posting historical facts...which do not actually 'save' a person..in fact, they will cause the person to reject YOU...meaning they have missed another chance to meet JESUS...So..introduce JESUS to them, relish and rejoice in HIM, instead of digging up past blunders and boo-boos of others. You become more impressionable and offer HOPE.

The important thing is to make the important thing the important thing. . .or something like that.

 

[KenAllan]

The Important thing is to treat others with the Love that God wants us to have for Him and other Brothers in Christ.

 

[Elin]

The Important thing is to treat others with the Love that God wants us to have for Him and other Brothers in Christ.

Sometimes love looks like discipline.

 

[KenAllan]

True, and sometimes we are not to cast our pearls before swine.

Matthew 7:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Not ever Catholic you talk to will accept what God says in the Scriptures.



[SUP][/SUP]"On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it." --- Luke 11:28

 

[Elin]

True, and sometimes we are not to cast our pearls before swine.

Matthew 7:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Not ever Catholic you talk to will accept what God says in the Scriptures.



"On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it." --- Luke 11:28

True, but I'm thinking there are very few actual swine here.

 

[KenAllan]

Maybe, maybe not. But we are told not to waste our time on the Catholics who refuse to listen to what God has to say. There are plenty of other Catholics and others here who really want to hear the Truth from God and as long as I am alive I will bring the Gospel of Salvation to all who will listen.

"On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it." --- Luke 11:28

 

[just-me]

Most believers realize that we are living in the last days, and we are entering inot a time for the fulfillment of many prophesies including; “But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” (Micah 4:1-2)


The “mountain” is a simple of God's governmental authority which means that many will seek the “Kingdom of God” which is established above all man's kingdoms and religions.

 

[just-me]

Although the Word of God (which includes the law of God) have been made void by false teachings, (begining with the forefathers of Catholicism) that observe only a portion of scripture, and not all, the fact remains that the law of God, in its pure spiritual form, will be acknowledged and accepted by many Christians who realize that they have never been shown the deeper application and meaning of the law. In Micah 4:1-2, notice how the “*Word of the Lord” is equated with the “law,” so the Word of God/Lord is Messiah. (see post 173)

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” John 1:14

The law is also One with Christ Jesus being One with the Father in the same Spirit because it's the words of the Father of Christ. They are perfectly unified as One. It is man's religion that pitted them against each other.

“I and my Father are one.” (John 10:30)

 

[KenAllan]

I totally believe the Anti-Christ will be revealed to the World before 2025!

We are already seeing the World setting up for the Anti-Christ. How can the Anti-Christ keep track of everyone in this World? How can the Anti-Christ keep track of those who have received his mark? How can the Anti-Christ keep people without the mark from buying and selling?

Its easy today with all the computers and RFID devices in the World today. The mark of the beast i believe will be an RFID device that will be implanted on our bodies that can be scanned 20 feet away from us without us even knowing we have been scanned! And literally millions of computers all hooked up by the Internet to keep track of everyone.

This is why i say and agree with just-me that we are entering into the end times, the last days before Jesus returns to rule the World.


"On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it." --- Luke 11:28
Jesus Christ Himself has Blessed me more than Mary!

 

[just-me]

I totally believe the Anti-Christ will be revealed to the World before 2025!

We are already seeing the World setting up for the Anti-Christ. How can the Anti-Christ keep track of everyone in this World? How can the Anti-Christ keep track of those who have received his mark? How can the Anti-Christ keep people without the mark from buying and selling?

Its easy today with all the computers and RFID devices in the World today. The mark of the beast i believe will be an RFID device that will be implanted on our bodies that can be scanned 20 feet away from us without us even knowing we have been scanned! And literally millions of computers all hooked up by the Internet to keep track of everyone.

This is why i say and agree with just-me that we are entering into the end times, the last days before Jesus returns to rule the World.


"On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it." --- Luke 11:28
Jesus Christ Himself has Blessed me more than Mary!

Yes, it could be this year, for this year has spiritual meaning in relation to Jubilee, and the Shemitah cycle. This year may be the beginning of the end, if a 7 year tribulation period is actually true.

 

[Elin]

Although the Word of God (which includes the law of God) have been made void by false teachings,

That is HRM baloney, pure and simple.

The word of God will never be made void and doesn't need to be "restored" by heretics who declare God's word to be void.

You pleaded ignorance of the HRM, so several HRM heresies were explained to you by JGIG, including this one.

(begining with the forefathers of Catholicism) that observe only a portion of scripture, and not all, the fact remains that the law of God, in its pure spiritual form, will be acknowledged and accepted by many Christians who realize that they have never been shown the deeper application and meaning of the law.

All the deeper applications and meaning of the law are ours in Christ.

Micah 4:1-2, notice how the “*Word of the Lord” is equated with the “law,” so the Word of God/Lord is Messiah. (see post 173)

Another HRM heresy shown to you by JGIG.

Scripture is not the Son of God.

Scripture is the word of God written.
Jesus is the Word of God Incarnate.

They are not interchangeable.

You can expect this contra-NT doctrine to be addressed every time you present it,
and that includes Jewish precedence in the NT people of God.

 

[Elin]

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To refresh your memory regarding what JGIG showed you of the HRM:

There is no short answer to the OP's question, but Judaizing Sect is the best short description of the movement. Most who identify with the beliefs and practices of the HRM choose not to or refuse to label themselves, either because they think themselves to be of 'pure 1st century religion' or because they know the HRM and other Law-keeping sects are piling up divisions and rotten fruit worse than they accuse the rest of the Body of having.

Years ago I was part of a Mom's Digest, MOMYS (mothers of many young siblings), which for several years was a great blessing with shared wisdom and advice about large family logistics.

Then Judaizing theology crept in.

Law-keeping MOMYS went from posting, "We have been so blessed in our family because we do this (Feast, Sabbath, and dietary law keeping, along with tzitzit wearing, observing niddah, husbands not cutting facial hair, wearing clothing of only one thread, etc."

To posting, "We do this to show God that we love and honor Him."

. . .To posting, "If you don't do these things, you either really aren't saved or you will lose your salvation."

Some other characteristics in the Judaizing sects, including but not limited to the HRM:

• Little to mention of the Work of Christ - LOTS of mention about our work to maintain/prove salvation.
• They teach that the fruit of salvation is the observing of the commandments given at Sinai, and they strive to exhibit love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, most of which they in reality don't exhibit, but rather great spiritual pride and arrogance, unrest, harshness, and verbal tirades. You can browse through un-moderated discussions on social media and blogs to see that this is true. Many Law-keepers eventually get banned on moderated venues for either bad behavior, posting blatant heresy, or both.
• A constant tearing down of Christianity (see Hebrew Roots Movement – Salesmanship 101 for more on this topic)
• They teach that Christian traditions are 'pagan' worship (see Ralph Woodrow's excellent rebuttal in "The Babylon Connection?")
• They teach that the Bible MUST be viewed through an Hebraic lens to be properly understood (see Hebrew Roots Movement – The Issue of “Hellenization” for more on this topic)
• The HRM in particular teach that Yeshua/Jesus is the 'Living Torah', reducing Christ down to a written history/code and elevating Torah to Godhood.
• As mentioned by MarcR, they teach mandatory Sabbath-keeping for salvation, along with other, cherry-picked laws.

That scratches the surface .

Exposed to and studying this belief system and its fruits since 2006 and writing about it since 2008, you can learn more here:

Joyfully Growing In Grace​

There are lots of links and resources along with articles there examining the HRM and other Law-keeping sects. The goal there has been to help the believer to sort out what they're seeing and building them up in who they are in Christ.

Other articles of interest on this topic at JGIG:

• Hebrew Roots Movement – Are They Judaizers?
• Believers in the Hebrew Roots Movement: Are They Lost?
• Gateways into the Hebrew Roots Movement – An Examination of ‘Identity Crisis’ and Related Teachings of Jim Staley
• 12 Undeniable Truths That Drive Law ‘Keepers’ Crazy
• How I Became Aware of the Hebrew Roots Movement

I'm thankful to say that I've seen a plateauing of growth in the HRM in the last year or so, partly due to growing awareness in the Body, more pastors preaching the Gospel of Grace message without a mixture of Law, and the continued demonstration of bad fruit in the Hebrew Roots Movement.

I hope that helps to clarify.

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

If you're not HRM, you really should look into it - you'd find a LOT of like-minded folks there ! You're preaching the same stuff.

-JGIG

 

[just-me]

I truly believe it's a travesty that so many professing Christians belonging to protestant denominations verbally reject the doctrines of the Catholic persuasion, and demand to ascribe to some of those same doctrines they say they have protested against. Then they accuse others (such as myself) who esteem all of God's word (focusing on the Torah) of promoting a false doctrine by revealing the comparison between Rome's ancient religion and the (supposedly) protesting religions of this day. I see very little difference between hypocritical Pharisees, Catholics or these types of professing Protestants these days. They all distort scripture by demanding separation between Jews and Gentiles, old against the new covenant and testaments. Is this on purpose, or do they not understand that "a house divided against itself will not stand" the test of time? (Mark 3:25)

The Pharisees hated Jesus, the Catholics hated the Jews, and the Protestants say they are not like either one, yet practice Catholic heresies and compare Torah observers to the Pharisees and the HRM, while rejecting, and distorting the same as did the Pharisees and the Catholics. What's wrong with this picture?

 

[just-me]

I truly believe it's a travesty that so many professing Christians belonging to protestant denominations verbally reject the doctrines of the Catholic persuasion, and demand to ascribe to some of those same doctrines they say they have protested against. Then they accuse others (such as myself) who esteem all of God's word (focusing on the Torah) of promoting a false doctrine by revealing the comparison between Rome's ancient religion and the (supposedly) protesting religions of this day. I see very little difference between hypocritical Pharisees, Catholics or these types of professing Protestants these days. They all distort scripture by demanding separation between Jews and Gentiles, old against the new covenant and testaments. Is this on purpose, or do they not understand that "a house divided against itself will not stand" the test of time? (Mark 3:25)

The Pharisees hated Jesus, the Catholics hated the Jews, and the Protestants say they are not like either one, yet practice Catholic heresies and compare Torah observers to the Pharisees and the HRM, while rejecting, and distorting the same as did the Pharisees and the Catholics. What's wrong with this picture?

In addition I challenge those of you who are sincerely and willingly ready to suffer verbal abuse and persecution for Christ's sake, to define Christmas and Easter as non-Biblical, plus anything else that might be revealed as false in scripture. Then in addition, try spiritually defining the feasts, and Sabbaths that are Biblical, and you will certainly be labeled as a heretic by those who demand separation in the "Kingdom of God." It's in our face.