Is the old testament laws still use today?

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Sia12

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So,I was reading the old testament and got me thinking do we still have to obey the old testaments laws?
 
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So,I was reading the old testament and got me thinking do we still have to obey the old testaments laws?
..... "HAVE to?" Have to, for what specific purpose?
 

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No. The Law of Moses was never binding upon anyone but the Jew or a proselyte. Now, the old covenant has been removed and is no longer binding on anyone. But, the eternal principles upon which the law was established are also the foundational for the new covenant as well.
 

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"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
 

Sia12

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The law about the clean and unclean food one states that he does not eat pork, shellfish, or any of the other foods listed as unclean in Leviticus 11:1-23 and Deuteronomy 14
 
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sassylady

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The law about the clean and unclean food one states that he does not eat pork, shellfish, or any of the other foods listed as unclean in Leviticus 11:1-23 and Deuteronomy 14
Doctors now know that these foods are not the best for you, I believe for one thing they are high in cholesterol.
 

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The law about the clean and unclean food one states that he does not eat pork, shellfish, or any of the other foods listed as unclean in Leviticus 11:1-23 and Deuteronomy 14
The 613 laws (Mitzvot) can be divided into several categories concerning not just dietary laws but G-d, Torah, signs and symbols, prayer and blessings, love and brotherhood, the poor and unfortunate, treatment of Gentiles, marriage divorce and family, forbidden sexual relations, times and seasons, business practices, employees servants and slaves, vows oaths and swearing, the Sabbatical and Jubilee years, the court and judicial procedure, injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws, punishment and restitution, prophecy, idolatry, agriculture and animal husbandry, clothing, the firstborn, Kohanim and Levites, t'rumah tithes and taxes, the temple the sanctuary and sacred objects, sacrifices and offerings, ritual purity ad impurity, lepers and leprosy, the king, Nazarites, and war. Source
 

Sia12

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No. The Law of Moses was never binding upon anyone but the Jew or a proselyte. Now, the old covenant has been removed and is no longer binding on anyone. But, the eternal principles upon which the law was established are also the foundational for the new covenant as well.
Thank u exactly the answer I was looking for similar to the answer my lil sis gave me i asked her,she says that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God but I just want to be sure that I'm not breaking God's law.
 
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Here's the scoop...the Old Testament is a mirror of the New Testament. We get the pleasure of knowing the historical background of having GoD in our lives. Not only do we see the entire geneology of JESUS, the history of how the world was created, the way that GOD chose a little seemingly insignificant group of bedouins and deliver them from slavery into their own nation (Israel), but we also have all those awesome biblical heroes that teach us morals, and how to stay focused on GOD. As far as the "LAW" (Ten Commandments), nobody just obeys them and expects a ticket to heaven. What we now have is JESUS that fulfilled the Law in it's entirety. If we choose JESUS...we would not want to steal, commit crimes, etc. Jesus summed it up in LOVE. DO not discard the Old Testament, but rest assured that if you follow JESUS..you are following the updated version of the LAW to then "Inth" degree. Without JESUS..obeying the Law gets you nowhere as far as eternity in heaven, but it will keep you out of prison while on earth.
 

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The law about the clean and unclean food one states that he does not eat pork, shellfish, or any of the other foods listed as unclean in Leviticus 11:1-23 and Deuteronomy 14
Ephesians 2:14-16 (KJV)
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
 
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Ephesians 2:14-16 (KJV)
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
That scripture is very easy to misunderstand.
Verse 15 as you highlighted that customs/ordinances/regulations (namusa) were traditions of the Pharisees, not of Torah/Law itself.

Ephesians 2:15, "namusa" (Aramaic) in context can only mean, TRADITION, as defined "commandments of men", which may be an attempt at "extending the use" of a "Written TORAH commandment", but lack the "Spirit of TORAH". Instead of "setting free", they "lead to bondage", unjust practices, and are burdensome, when applied in certain cases, such as is mentioned in Ephesians 2:15, and elaborated upon, by Yahshua, in Matthew Chapter 23.

contained in "Ordinances" = 1379 (Greek). dogmatizo dog-mat-id'-zo from 1378; to prescribe by statute, i.e. (reflexively) to submit to, ceremonially rule:--be subject to ordinances.

This is where we get the word "dogmatic" meaning '
inclined to lay down principles that are not able to be denied or disputed to be true.'
 

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That scripture is very easy to misunderstand.
Verse 15 as you highlighted that customs/ordinances/regulations (namusa) were traditions of the Pharisees, not of Torah/Law itself.

Ephesians 2:15, "namusa" (Aramaic) in context can only mean, TRADITION, as defined "commandments of men", which may be an attempt at "extending the use" of a "Written TORAH commandment", but lack the "Spirit of TORAH". Instead of "setting free", they "lead to bondage", unjust practices, and are burdensome, when applied in certain cases, such as is mentioned in Ephesians 2:15, and elaborated upon, by Yahshua, in Matthew Chapter 23.

contained in "Ordinances" = 1379 (Greek). dogmatizo dog-mat-id'-zo from 1378; to prescribe by statute, i.e. (reflexively) to submit to, ceremonially rule:--be subject to ordinances.

This is where we get the word "dogmatic" meaning '
inclined to lay down principles that are not able to be denied or disputed to be true.
look at post 11 again and then read the quote in the quote box,..those rituals etc., was what I was responding to....
The law about the clean and unclean food one states that he does not eat pork, shellfish, or any of the other foods listed as unclean in Leviticus 11:1-23 and Deuteronomy 14
 
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KennethC

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So,I was reading the old testament and got me thinking do we still have to obey the old testaments laws?
The 613 written ordinances of the Mosaic laws are not binding any more under the new covenant for believers and Acts 15 makes this very clear.

The NT clearly says all food has been made clean now, and says that we can eat anything now.
The only restrictions it gives with eating food in the NT is if it causes another to stumble or if you know it was offered to idols.
(Romans 14, 1 Corinthians 8-10)

The only thing that is still binding is listed in Acts 15 and Romans 13:9-11, as the bible shows also that the 10 commandments are still upheld in the new covenant as they are considered God's moral laws. The other thing is that the commands by the Lord are considered the "perfect law of liberty."

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


The perfect law of liberty here is not the Mosaic laws but the commands and teachings of the Lord in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John..............
 
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Thank u exactly the answer I was looking for similar to the answer my lil sis gave me i asked her,she says that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God but I just want to be sure that I'm not breaking God's law.
Listen to Christ not man, Matt.5:18, Jesus said not one dot of Mosses law as changed, not even the food laws, the only thing changed are the blood ordinance, you no longer sacrifice animals, and Christ is now our Passover. God bless
 

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Listen to Christ not man, Matt.5:18, Jesus said not one dot of Mosses law as changed, not even the food laws, the only thing changed are the blood ordinance, you no longer sacrifice animals, and Christ is now our Passover. God bless
Your comment is no exception...

Acts 10:13-15 (KJV)
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Colossians 2:16 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17 (KJV) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 
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look at post 11 again and then read the quote in the quote box,..those rituals etc., was what I was responding to....
The law is Spiritual, therefore in the New Covenant we should study the relevance of Spiritual meanings and insight.
Fish and fins indicate armor and direction
Cud and spit hoof indicate digestion of spiritual food, and direction.
They are analogies of a true believer, and can be a "sweet smelling savor unto the Lord" in a peace offering, as we present ourselves as a living sacrifice unto God which is expected and reasonable. Paul's exhortations speaking.

If "sia12" was referring to only carnal aspects, then I am wrong of my understanding in my post to you, but right in what I said. Nevertheless, I have seen many using that scripture to prove the false point that the law of God is void through the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ. All I wanted to do is explain how it is so easy to misinterpret Ephesians 2:15. I sincerely apologize for my assumptions if I was taking "sai12's" post incorrectly, even though eating the right stuff is more healthy in the physical sense. I like barbequed chicken and hamburgers.
 
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Your comment is no exception...

Acts 10:13-15 (KJV)
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Colossians 2:16 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Now Peter's experience concerning all manner of unclean food is Spiritually referring to the Gentiles being co-heirs of the Kingdom of God along with the believing Jews. Peter didn't go to Cornelius's house to eat pork or snails etc.

Colossians 2:16 is what the pagans were saying to believers. They were railing accusations, and judging believers in Christ Jesus, who adhered to Paul's exhortations and partook of the feasts defined in scripture of the Old Testament (as we know it) because the New Testament had not been written yet.
 

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Technically you can't divide the Mosaic Law up in convenient sections of moral, ceremonial, national etc. The Law is one inseparable unit.
The Mosaic Law was conditional upon our obedience and to break one point you have broken the whole.
Christ fulfilled the Mosaic law and has placed in the believer's heart His Law, which is better understood as a reflection of His nature and which we call the new nature or new birth.
 

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So,I was reading the old testament and got me thinking do we still have to obey the old testaments laws?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.