Hebrew Roots Movement

[crossnote]

Colossians 2:8-16
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This scripture isn't talking about fellow believers who are ridiculed by other believers. It's talking about the pagan beliefs of the world that are in opposition to the truth.
Repeating verse 8 "after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." The law was never associated with the worldly values. One more thing. Circumcision is not of the flesh according to the law in Deuteronomy. It is the same circumcision of the heart as the NT. The world is carnal, why do you accuse me of practicing those things as being wrong when they are not of this world, but of God. I do NOT physically take part in Biblical feasts, and I don't go to assemble on Saturday. I do recognize them spiritually, and study them as to the truth.

If Paul said the law is holy, spiritual, good and just in Romans 7:12-14, would our apostle say that this same law (that is holy, spiritual, good and just) has been abolished in Ephesians 2:15?

v 17 which you always conveniently omit refutes your pagan theory. Pagan practices were not shadows of things to come...

Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[just-me]

In a nutshell the Hebrew Roots movement practices every thing God told the children NOT to learn from the Egyptians. They worship Osiris and Isis and believe they are Horus. They believe Osiris (Yahweh) is the male part of God and Isis (Shekina) is the female part of God. They believe that when Yahweh and Shekina come together in sexual union, Horus or the Jew is the offspring.

They believe in the white fire and black fire. Black fire being the written words of the Torah and white fire being the blank spaces between the words. They teach that the white fire is where the true meaning of the Torah is found.

The believe in the big bang theory, no the big bang is not scientific, it's Jewish Kabbalah. Kabbalah teaches that the universe began with the explosion of Adam Kadmon (God). Adam was spread out all over the universe... hence all creation is equal and all have a "God Particle" in them... there is a divine spark in all of us.

That's the basics! The Hebrew Roots movement basically Christianizes Kaballah by changing the names in order to deceive Christians into following the Antichrist which after all is who Adam Kadmon is.

I've done a lot of research on Hebrew Roots and Jewish Kaballah.... this is what I've come to learn, hope this helps.

So the HRM totally denies it's Hebrew heritage the same as Israel tempted God after receiving His instructions. That's a new wrinkle.
Numbers 14:22-23 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

Acts 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

Evidently being "under the law" is the same as going back into Egypt that represents the corruption of the world. That way when we go back to Egypt we are no longer under the curse of the law that came after Israel left Egypt.

So going back into the world is the same as being "under the law." That does make a little bit of sense, but the law was given after Israel was freed from slavery. Does chronology have a place in this philosophy?

 

[crossnote]

Not that easy. I was Catholic. lol

And so infant baptism. Still there usually is a period of time that lapses between getting wet and being regenerate.

 

[Elin]

Answer to your first question. A person cannot belong to something that doesn't exist in their life. I never heard of the HRM until I was labeled as their associate in CC. I would never want to be a member from what I have heard, so I am accused of having a belief that I don't necessarily agree with, as I have come to understand. My accusers seem to be better acquainted with it than I am.

I hear ya, and Calvin hated Luther's doctrine. LOL Luther didn't desire a denomination to be named after him either.

You don't have to belong to an organization to identify with its values.

One can pray for the dead without knowing it is a Roman Catholic belief.

But they still hold a Roman Catholic belief.

One can believe something the HRM believes without knowing it is an HRM belief.

But they still hold an HRM belief.

It's not complicated. . .

 

[just-me]

v 17 which you always conveniently omit refutes your pagan theory. Pagan practices were not shadows of things to come...

Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Back to the shadow thing are we? If the light shines, the shadow will be noticed. You have accused me of living in the shadows just because I say it's there because the light shining on the substance (body/church) is of faith. You had a thread once about this scripture and asked how it can be done. I actually felt sorry for you.
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31 You asked "how do we establish the law?"

The law is a shadow of things to come. establishing it is by faith, faith doesn't make it void. Faith is the substance that makes the shadow's shape by the light of Christ. If you cannot comprehend this, I still feel sorry for you.

"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:46-47)
Jesus instructs the hypocritical Pharisees to start believing the "shadow" so thy can believe His words. The plan of God is cohesive in every respect since the beginning.

 

[Elin]

Back to the shadow thing are we? If the light shines, the shadow will be noticed. You have accused me of living in the shadows just because I say it's there because the light shining on the substance (body/church) is of faith. You had a thread once about this scripture and asked how it can be done. I actually felt sorry for you.
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31 You asked "how do we establish the law?"

The law is a shadow of things to come. establishing it is by faith, faith doesn't make it void.

Yes, faith establishes the law on its right ground, as subject to the law of grace, removing the misunderstanding which stood it on the wrong ground--as the means of righteousness/justification.

Faith is the substance that makes the shadow's shape by the light of Christ.

No, the law makes the "shadows" shape.I
If you cannot comprehend this, I still feel sorry for you.

"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:46-47)
Jesus instructs the hypocritical Pharisees to start believing the "shadow" so thy can believe His words. The plan of God is cohesive in every respect since the beginning.[/QUOTE]
Actually, he instructs them to start believing Dt 18:18.

 

[Elin]

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Correction of post immediately above:

Faith is the substance that makes the shadow's shape by the light of Christ.

No, the law makes the "shadows" shape.

If you cannot comprehend this, I still feel sorry for you.

"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:46-47)
Jesus instructs the hypocritical Pharisees to start believing the "shadow" so thy can believe His words. The plan of God is cohesive in every respect since the beginning.

Actually, he instructs them to start believing Dt 18:18.

 

[atwhatcost]

Have you received a promise that everything will be presented in a way that works for you without you doing some homework to become informed in that of which you are uninformed?

When I'm taught something, it's up to the teacher to tell me what I'm missing. Let's pretend you're the teacher.

Who are you teaching? JM? He's not getting what you're teaching. Someone who might believe what JM teaches? All those people aren't getting what you're teaching either, because you aren't teaching. You're simply accusing -- again and again and again!

For what purpose? A Nelson haha moment? Make yourself feel good? How's that working for you? Not very Christian, but if you feel better that's the important thing, right? Are you trying to impress others?

Hey others? Is she impressing you? If so, why? Does it help you in any way?

So, who are you trying to reach? I give JM credit. At least he's trying to reach someone with what he's talking about? You? You seem to feel something about what you're doing, but I see no benefits, unless it really is all about you. Then I don't have to simply see no benefits. I know there are no benefits. Just a sense you're looking for a fire hydrant to cock a leg up, and you think JM is your fire hydrant.

Very unpleasant and useless.

One thing for sure, you're not impressing me.

 

[atwhatcost]

Oops! . . . . .

How's the view up there on your Clydesdale?

 

[Elin]

Have you received a promise that everything will be presented in a way that works for you without you doing some homework to become informed in that of which you are uninformed?

When I'm taught something, it's up to the teacher to tell me what I'm missing. Let's pretend you're the teacher.

Who are you teaching? JM? He's not getting what you're teaching. Someone who might believe what JM teaches? All those people aren't getting what you're teaching either, because you aren't teaching.

Are all comments required to teach?

You're simply accusing -- again and again and again!

For what purpose? A Nelson haha moment? Make yourself feel good? How's that working for you? Not very Christian, but if you feel better that's the important thing, right? Are you trying to impress others?

Hey others? Is she impressing you? If so, why? Does it help you in any way?

So, who are you trying to reach? I give JM credit. At least he's trying to reach someone with what he's talking about? You? You seem to feel something about what you're doing, but I see no benefits, unless it really is all about you. Then I don't have to simply see no benefits. I know there are no benefits. Just a sense you're looking for a fire hydrant to cock a leg up, and you think JM is your fire hydrant.

Very unpleasant and useless.

One thing for sure, you're not impressing me.

That's disappointing. . .

 

[KJV1611]

So the HRM totally denies it's Hebrew heritage the same as Israel tempted God after receiving His instructions. That's a new wrinkle.
Numbers 14:22-23 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

Acts 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

Evidently being "under the law" is the same as going back into Egypt that represents the corruption of the world. That way when we go back to Egypt we are no longer under the curse of the law that came after Israel left Egypt.

So going back into the world is the same as being "under the law." That does make a little bit of sense, but the law was given after Israel was freed from slavery. Does chronology have a place in this philosophy?

HRM does not exist in the sense of "Hebrew Heritage". There's nothing Hebrew about the HRM. The HRM comes from Judaism, Judaism has nothing to do with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it is Kabbalah. In Kabbalah only the Jews because of their bloodline are God's chosen people and no one else can be a part of that family.

HRM dupes Christians into law keeping to attain a salvation that isn't even possible for a Gentile to attain in that religion... only the Jews are God's chosen people. Like I said earlier, Kabbalah is cloaked in Christianity but has nothing to do with Christianity, it's a completely different religion. It's like Mormonism, it sort of seems Christian but when you peel back the layers, it's Kabbalah also.

As far chronology goes, I don't know when Kabbalah got started, it's been around for a long long time. I don't think Numbers 14:22-23 is related to returning to the Egyptian religion, I think it's rejecting God and anyone who rejects God's grace is under the curse of the law.

 

[crossnote]

Back to the shadow thing are we? If the light shines, the shadow will be noticed. You have accused me of living in the shadows just because I say it's there because the light shining on the substance (body/church) is of faith. You had a thread once about this scripture and asked how it can be done. I actually felt sorry for you.
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31 You asked "how do we establish the law?"

The law is a shadow of things to come. establishing it is by faith, faith doesn't make it void. Faith is the substance that makes the shadow's shape by the light of Christ. If you cannot comprehend this, I still feel sorry for you.

"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:46-47)
Jesus instructs the hypocritical Pharisees to start believing the "shadow" so thy can believe His words. The plan of God is cohesive in every respect since the beginning.

The topic was Colossians 2 :14-17. Your claim was those were referring to pagan practices. My contention is that is impossible since pagan practices were not a shadow of what was to come.
Enough with the sleight of hand.

Colossians 2:14-17 (KJV)
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[atwhatcost]

Answer to your first question. A person cannot belong to something that doesn't exist in their life. I never heard of the HRM until I was labeled as their associate in CC. I would never want to be a member from what I have heard, so I am accused of having a belief that I don't necessarily agree with, as I have come to understand. My accusers seem to be better acquainted with it than I am.

I hear ya, and Calvin hated Luther's doctrine. LOL Luther didn't desire a denomination to be named after him either.

I disagree with your answer to my first question. What do you read to get your beliefs? I am assuming you weren't born with full knowledge of ancient Hebrew or Aramaic, but you know it now. (I don't know exactly how much you know of it, but I know you study it, and my eyes just glaze over when I see "the funny letters," so you're downright scholarly compared to me, even if you simply have half their alphabets memorized. lol) So you're reading something.

What else are you reading? I know it's something because there are only two folks on here that I truly consider friends who get into all that Levites stuff, (not counting me and Old Hermit, and I'm not really sure if Old Hermit gets into it like I've been getting into it the last month or so), and I'm counting you on that short list. All I knew about the Levites before was they were one of 12/13 tribes, and the ones who took care of the tabernacle, then temple. Had I just been reading the Bible as I used to do, I would have pressed past the 2nd through 5th book, because all that stuff is fairly repetitive to me by now.

BUT I got my Dead Guys now, because I used to latch on to any author in a Christian book store and assume he/she knows more than I do. (And I'd be right most of the time, too. lol) But then I learned there are really heretics posing as authors and very few people actually teach the difference.

You get this, I'm sure. I suspect you think of Joyce Meyer, Ken Copeland, Dryer, and Olsteen like most think of them. But then it's easy to pick up books by people we don't know and assume they're safe because no one ever talks about them like they talk about those people. Lots of what I got wrong over the years is specifically related to doing just that. But you're a student and you weren't born with ingrain knowledge of the times before Christ and the times right around Christ, so you had to have read books to gain that knowledge.

Sometimes what we read does get into our beliefs, even if it's wrong, and even if the person is pretty much on the same page with our beliefs. Hubby got into Rushdoony for a while. The guy is a scholar and a Calvinist, but, man! He really does go down the legalism-turnpike. Hubby, a very kind guy, got into a self-righteous, do-everything-just-right spell for a while after reading him. So, yes, what we read, even if we tend to agree with the basic beliefs of the writer, can affect us without ever having the proper label for what's going on. And it's subtle, so we don't notice it until someone calls us on it. (And then we have our temper tantrum, a bit of a time to pout, before thinking about it. Or is that just me? )

So, who do you read? It is connected.

And who do you fellowship with? Without being connected to a church, it's very easy to go rogue-Christian. Even a single nondenom church has to watch out for that, since HRM isn't a denomination and yet it is infiltrating. So, yes, it is quite possible to believe something funky without realizing it is funky. I know. I've done that in so many different ways over the years.

I'm not nuts for refusing to read history of what didn't happen, reading best-seller Christian books, and listening to Christian radio. I'm simply tired of spending years believing crap simply because someone told me something, I didn't know one way or the other, so I believed them without doing the footwork myself. I haven't become less gullible over the decades, but I have become more cautious. And that doesn't mean I haven't fallen for some other stupid idea, (half an hour ago, I just found out something I thought was true doctrine is WoF bupkis, so I'm still having to dig out of the drivel at my age), so I can't imagine you haven't done the same thing without understanding it yet.

Since you trust in Christ as the savior, I really don't think you are HRM. But that doesn't mean you don't have some of that funky doctrine mixed up with sound biblical doctrine too. The only way to find out is to learn the difference. And this from someone who hasn't believed in WoF ever yet just found out something of that malarkey crept into my beliefs anyway.

 

[just-me]

Why do we adhere to the celebrations that the first Roman Catholic church that adhered to previous doctrines by celebrating the birth of the “sun god” Molech/Baal, and calling it the birth of Jesus when there is no Biblical evidence of the day when our Real Savior was born?

Why are we forced to celebrate this by a calendar that a pope invented?

Why can't we celebrate the second Adam and forget December 25[SUP]th[/SUP]?

Why do we adhere to the celebrations that the first Roman Catholic church adhered to by celebrating a fertility goddess instead of Passover? The Bible says Jesus is our Passover, not our Easter.

Why haven't the protestant denominations protested against this paganism? Why do we desire others to not know this stuff and describe the law as being corrupt instead of us. “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” 1 John 1:8

And because I reject Christmas and Easter, and Pope Gregory's calendar we are forced to abide by, I belong to a movement, and ascribe to a movement that I really don't know anything about and that supposedly rejects what I do.

It's certainly grief but not “good grief.” Condescending remarks by professing Christians don't make it with me when I reject paganism that is contrary to the word of God.

What I reject, and what I adhere to is very well known on CC. If that makes me an outcast, then so be it for “The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.” Isaiah 56:8

Why get angry when it is so obvious that Protestants and Catholics adhere to the same traditions? The rituals are different but the traditions are doctrinally comparable, even more that Christmas and Easter. That's the reason I started this thread.
Protestants follow many Catholic traditions that began during the 1st century

 

[atwhatcost]

And so infant baptism. Still there usually is a period of time that lapses between getting wet and being regenerate.

No, seriously. Very Catholic. Felt really proud to receive communion thinking God's body and blood was in there but it didn't gag me. Went to church after school to say as many 7 Our Fathers, 7 Hail Marys and 7 Glory Bes as possible for a nickle to light a candle to get out as many saints as possible from purgatory so they'd owe me and pray me out when the time came. Didn't understand the priest's answer when I told him I might have broken the 4th commandment (Catholic style) because the heat in summertime mass made me close to fainting, so I had to leave early. He asked me if I was really sick. I answered "Yes." And he said, "Well?" like a seven year old could figure out what that even means, so I thought I committed the mortal sin. (Thus the reason to get a lot of people out of purgatory with the IOU of they'd keep praying to get me out.) Became my younger brother's godmother at 11 only to have Mom die right after making me promise to raise him in the Catholic faith. So, I honestly thought Catholic Faith = saving faith.

It makes it complicated. I was raised to believe the RCC version of the "Bible" and that is what saves. And I did.

And then one night I went to see Jesus Christ Superstar, asked God to make him as real to me as the guy on the stage, and everything changed. I was talking to God all along, so I had no idea I wasn't trusting in him until that next morning when he dinked me over night.

Because of that, no idea exactly what goes on in the minds of those who out and out deny there even is a God. The closest I can come to understanding that is my brother deciding God isn't real because Mom died. But, yo! That makes no sense to me because everyone dies. What was he expecting? Mom alone would live forever? Up there with taking a little white ball and smacking it around until you find little hole in the park to hit it into. Makes no sense.

 

[atwhatcost]

Are all comments required to teach?


That's disappointing. . .

Communication is, indeed, to communicate. The only thing you seem hellbent on communicating is "I'm so much better than you are."

We got that message. No need to repeat if that's all you're tryig to say. If there was more to it, you have NOT communicated.

 

[just-me]

I disagree with your answer to my first question. What do you read to get your beliefs? I am assuming you weren't born with full knowledge of ancient Hebrew or Aramaic, but you know it now. (I don't know exactly how much you know of it, but I know you study it, and my eyes just glaze over when I see "the funny letters," so you're downright scholarly compared to me, even if you simply have half their alphabets memorized. lol) So you're reading something.

What else are you reading? I know it's something because there are only two folks on here that I truly consider friends who get into all that Levites stuff,

Actually, about a year ago I finally (because of frustration) started researching the feasts. I started comparing some Jewish websites with the information that is in my KJV. I became more frustrated because all the Jewish websites didn't compare with scripture. At that point I just got off-line and wrote a book about the spiritual aspects of 3 feasts that the Bible illustrates. In my estimation, the Jews are mixed up. They celebrate 7 feasts and the Bible classifies only 3. There is much more in respect to months and years accordingly. The civil calendar of the Jews is a half year off according to the Bible. There is a whole bunch of stuff that is so unimportant to the Jewish rituals in my estimation. I get flack from both sides. There is a feast instigated by Mordecai, the uncle of Esther. That is not a God ordained feast but it's a good story. The Bible is the only place to find the truth. Websites help, but one has to have the basics before investigating. If not, seems that people will believe anything they read. The only book or writing to trust are the scriptures. I go to find the original language in many cases because Geek doesn't always give the full concept of the original. If you desire to read the book it's on our website. It's pretty deep, but it all points toward the fulfillment of Christ Jesus in every detail.

PM me and I will send it if you desire. It's called Three Feasts of the Pentateuch

It is obvious that I am hated by a few - they follow me around from thread to thread to refute what I say. I question who they are really working for, whether consciously or unconsciously. Jewish rabbis don't want to talk to me anymore either. At least they leave me alone now.

 

[just-me]

The topic was Colossians 2 :14-17. Your claim was those were referring to pagan practices. My contention is that is impossible since pagan practices were not a shadow of what was to come.
Enough with the sleight of hand.

Colossians 2:14-17 (KJV)
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I never said they were. Good grief! The pagans hated the shadow because it isn't the way they believed and worshiped. Ring a bell? There is a big difference between the shadow and paganism. How many professing Christians speak against Passover by demanding Easter. How many demand Christ-Mass to celibate a birth day that is actually Baal's?

 

[atwhatcost]

Why do we adhere to the celebrations that the first Roman Catholic church that adhered to previous doctrines by celebrating the birth of the “sun god” Molech/Baal, and calling it the birth of Jesus when there is no Biblical evidence of the day when our Real Savior was born?

I celebrate Christmas for three reasons:
1. I like the decorations. It's something new to add to the same old drab of the winter look. (I can't pick flowers for a bouquet in winter.) And I really like looking at what we made or collected over the years.
2. The Son of God/God came down in human form when he never had to. Pretty good thing to remember.
3. Most businesses shut down long enough that my family can actually gather together once a year. (Younger brother the exception, since he's a chef, and apparently making other people make a meal for you on Christmas is a thing worth getting paid to do.) So we usually gather in the beginning of the New Year, but the kids get Christmas presents, so we call it Christmas.

Why are we forced to celebrate this by a calendar that a pope invented?

Who says you're forced to celebrate it? If you don't want to, don't.

Why can't we celebrate the second Adam and forget December 25[SUP]th[/SUP]?

Go for it. Celebrate whatever you want, but don't assume everyone else is going to celebrate with you.

Why do we adhere to the celebrations that the first Roman Catholic church adhered to by celebrating a fertility goddess instead of Passover? The Bible says Jesus is our Passover, not our Easter.

Hey, don't look at me. We're both diabetics, so we skip the candy. He's got high blood pressure, so ham is out. Pork does tough things to our digestive system, as does lamb, so they're both out. It's rare to have football games in lent, once more on Easter, so nothing to watch, not even a good parade. We can't go to church, so we don't get dressed up. (I usually spend Easter in my jammies. lol) So we really do just remember Jesus' sacrifice was accepted, so he rose again. Good thing to remember, knowing what we remember together on Good Friday.

Why haven't the protestant denominations protested against this paganism? Why do we desire others to not know this stuff and describe the law as being corrupt instead of us. “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” 1 John 1:8

Really? They've already dropped Christ in Christmas for the winter sales event, yet still call it "Happy Holidays" to make people spend more money, yet you think the Church should waste time protesting this? Really? Not children sold into slavery? Not the disabled being merely something to avert your eyes from? Not those Catholic girls in Africa who were kidnapped over a year ago, but now the press doesn't care, so we shouldn't? Not cops being treated like criminals and criminals being treated like martyrs? Not dictators starving their whole countries just to make sure they have enough to get whatever their tiny hearts want at that moment? Not some looney-tune in D.C. who is trying to talk Congress into believing it's okay to give the country that leads per capita spending on terrorists into becoming a well-equipped nuclear powerhouse? Not that people with truly serious mental issues should still be able to decide for themselves if they need help, when the whole problem to begin with is their inability to make sound decisions? Not even someone ought to be cleaning up Super Sights or developing more energy plants?

Where are your priorities?

And because I reject Christmas and Easter, and Pope Gregory's calendar we are forced to abide by, I belong to a movement, and ascribe to a movement that I really don't know anything about and that supposedly rejects what I do.

You reject the calendar? How does that work for you when you have a doctor's appointment, plan to go on a trip, have to get rid of your trash, or pay your bills? Exactly how does someone realistically reject the only way of keeping track of days?

It's certainly grief but not “good grief.” Condescending remarks by professing Christians don't make it with me when I reject paganism that is contrary to the word of God.

What I reject, and what I adhere to is very well known on CC. If that makes me an outcast, then so be it for “The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.” Isaiah 56:8

Why get angry when it is so obvious that Protestants and Catholics adhere to the same traditions? The rituals are different but the traditions are doctrinally comparable, even more that Christmas and Easter. That's the reason I started this thread.
Protestants follow many Catholic traditions that began during the 1st century

Wait? Is this a statement of your doctrine? Was this my answer for what do you believe?

I really didn't see any Bible in it.

 

[just-me]

The topic was Colossians 2 :14-17. Your claim was those were referring to pagan practices. My contention is that is impossible since pagan practices were not a shadow of what was to come.
Enough with the sleight of hand.

Colossians 2:14-17 (KJV)
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Just for the record. I don't physically eat unleavened bread during Passover. I just reject the leaven of slavery and hypocrisy in a spiritual sense. And I continue to ask God in prayer to enable me to separate myself as fast as I can run from this foreshadowing of leaving Egypt which represents the ways of the world. I don't want to be part of the world's ways anymore than I want to belong to the HRM.