Honest Assessment of Tongues

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Who's opinion?
click on the quotation mark in blue that are next to the person's name in the quote and it will take you to the person you were asking about.

Hope I said it right:)
 
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How about the word "THEM" and how it is only applicable unto THEM and not US!
 
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There is so much misinformation in the Church about spiritual gifts, signs, and about Faith.
Cherry picking verses is part of the problem, but pride is the root. People want to be in control.
No actually people want to disregard the words cease, vanish away and fail as applied to specific gifts as found in 1st Corinthians 13!
 
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. . And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.


the "if" in this verse should be understood in "they shall take up serpents" . . . so it would read - "if" they take up serpents, "if" they drink any deadly thing - it shall not hurt them -

It is written thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God so to intentionally pick up a serpent or to intentionally drink any deadly thing thinking - thinking it will not harm you when that is the natural inclination of a snake and a poison - would be to tempt God. There is an example of Paul accidentally picking up a snack in Acts 28:3 when gathering sticks for a fire -
And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. and he shook off the beast into the fire and felt no harm. Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. Acts 28:3-6

Also it needs to be understood that it is questionable as to the authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 because earliest manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have these verses. [NOTE: NIV - Some manuscripts have the following ending between verses 8 and 9, and one manuscript has it after verse 8 (omitting vs. 9-20): then they quickly reported all these instructions to those around Peter. After this, Jesus himself also sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Amen.]
Don't start this Mark is in question garbage.
 
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No actually people want to disregard the words cease, vanish away and fail as applied to specific gifts as found in 1st Corinthians 13!
And why don't the tongue people ever quote 1Cor.14 where Paul says that the tongues should be interpreted?
 
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Don't start this Mark is in question garbage.
It's okay if you think it is garbage - I just posted some information that I thought might be helpful.

I actually don't have a problem with the verses myself . . .
 
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And why don't the tongue people ever quote 1Cor.14 where Paul says that the tongues should be interpreted?
I do speak in tongues and when I talk about it I do mention 1 Cor. 14 where it says that tongues should be interpreted within a church service so that the body of believers will be edified.
 
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And why don't the tongue people ever quote 1Cor.14 where Paul says that the tongues should be interpreted?
Or where Paul said he would rather speak 5 words of understanding than 10000 in an unknown LANGUAGE!
 
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This thread reads more like a dishonest rendering of scripture and some really big adversarial opinions
 
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I do speak in tongues and when I talk about it I do mention 1 Cor. 14 where it says that tongues should be interpreted within a church service so that the body of believers will be edified.
How many men are in the assembly and how does that jive with the command to keep silent?
 
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This thread reads more like a dishonest rendering of scripture and some really big adversarial opinions
All my references are biblical and straight from scripture...keep your own opinion to yourself and quote scripture if your going to flap lips! ;)
 
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I've always found it interesting that there is only one phrase in this entire passage that contains an "IF." All the rest are directives about what believers SHALL do.

17 And these signs shall ]follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Does anyone here think that was just an accidental coincidence?
If: It is used as the sign of condition, or it introduces a conditional sentence....referring to the succeeding sentence.

American Dictionary Of The English Language, Noah Webster, c.1828
 
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No actually people want to disregard the words cease, vanish away and fail as applied to specific gifts as found in 1st Corinthians 13!
Hey dcon! Been here - discussed this . . . LOL! When I see Jesus face to face then I will have no need for tongues because NOW I will know in part (sure don't know it all now!) but then I will know as I am known.

Really do love ya bro!
 
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Hey dcon! Been here - discussed this . . . LOL! When I see Jesus face to face then I will have no need for tongues because NOW I will know in part (sure don't know it all now!) but then I will know as I am known.

Really do love ya bro!
Except for the fact that what you imply IS NOT FOUND IN THE TEXT and PAUL concludes with MATURING, PUTTING AWAY CHILDISH things and WHAT is NOW ABIDING...faith, hope and LOVE........PEOPLE who think they NEED TOUNGUES are saying they are NEW to the faith and CHILDISH and IMMATURE...when are you going to grow up and mature? Are you a NEW disciple or NEW to the faith or are you a MATURE servant?
 
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How many men are in the assembly and how does that jive with the command to keep silent?
WHAAAT?

Oh you mean about women keeping silent . . . does that have to do with tongues or with the service in general about "if we have a question let us ask our husbands at home"? If our services these days were set up as in the synagogues with the women sitting on one side and the men sitting on the other side . . . pretty disruptive for the women to start yelling at the men on the other side of the room with a question. Of course, services are not like that at all these days. Let all things be done decently and in order.
 
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I do speak in tongues and when I talk about it I do mention 1 Cor. 14 where it says that tongues should be interpreted within a church service so that the body of believers will be edified.
Give us a rough overview of what happens when you speak in tongues.
 
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This thread reads more like a dishonest rendering of scripture and some really big adversarial opinions
Tongues were a sign for unbelieving Israel. Isa 28 lays out the fact that Israel(This people/the Jew) would be under their fifth cycle of discipline when the sign of tongues(a known language) appeared to them.

The dogs(gentiles) would speak to the unbelieving Jew in their native tongue and Give them the Gospel that they were SUPPOSED to give to the gentiles.

Tongues were for "This people"............the unbelieving Jew that rejected their own Messiah and rejected their privilege of furthering the Gospel to the world. It was an utter shock(sign) for a Jew to have a dog witness their very Messiah to them in a language they knew the dog didn't know.
 
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WHAAAT?

Oh you mean about women keeping silent . . . does that have to do with tongues or with the service in general about "if we have a question let us ask our husbands at home"? If our services these days were set up as in the synagogues with the women sitting on one side and the men sitting on the other side . . . pretty disruptive for the women to start yelling at the men on the other side of the room with a question. Of course, services are not like that at all these days. Let all things be done decently and in order.
Except for the fact that the instructions were given to Timothy as a pastor of a CHURCH and it had nothing to do with meeting in a synagogue.....amazes me..to what lengths people will go to justify unbiblical practice just because they do it!
 
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All my references are biblical and straight from scripture...keep your own opinion to yourself and quote scripture if your going to flap lips! ;)

Get up on the wrong side of the bed?

See, the thing is, some of you tongue hating folk seem to get real nasty

I wasn't writing to you personally...
 
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Tongues were a sign for unbelieving Israel. Isa 28 lays out the fact that Israel(This people/the Jew) would be under their fifth cycle of discipline when the sign of tongues(a known language) appeared to them.

The dogs(gentiles) would speak to the unbelieving Jew in their native tongue and Give them the Gospel that they were SUPPOSED to give to the gentiles.

Tongues were for "This people"............the unbelieving Jew that rejected their own Messiah and rejected their privilege of furthering the Gospel to the world. It was an utter shock(sign) for a Jew to have a dog witness their very Messiah to them in a language they knew the dog didn't know.

I'm not going to bother posting scripture when there are myriads of pages of threads here on the subject already. with every scripture there is in the Bible on this subject

Tongues was not and is not now a sign for unbelieving Israel.

That's a new twist. I have not heard that one before, but thanks for not being rude like someone else here.