Protestants follow many Catholic traditions that began during the 1st century

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Its not that we reject the Doctrines from the Catholics if the Doctrines they teach is from the Scriptures only. What we do reject is the Doctrines of the Catholics that have been made up by unwritten Traditions of the Catholic Church and oppose the Truth from God in the Scriptures.

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The Catholics teach Mary was without sin. God says in the Scriptures that ALL have sinned and ALL includes Mary. Its Doctrines like this that OPPOSE the Truth from God that we reject.


On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it." ...Luke 11:28
Therefore i am more Blessed than Mary.
 
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Maybe, maybe not. But we are told not to waste our time on the Catholics who refuse to listen to what God has to say. There are plenty of other Catholics and others here who really want to hear the Truth from God and as long as I am alive I will bring the Gospel of Salvation to all who will listen.

"On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it." --- Luke 11:28
Not even all the Catholics are swine. . .
 
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Most believers realize that we are living in the last days, and we are entering inot a time for the fulfillment of many prophesies including; “But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” (Micah 4:1-2)


The “mountain” is a simple of God's governmental authority which means that many will seek the “Kingdom of God” which is established above all man's kingdoms and religions.
Or the mountain and Jerusalem are simply the Church (Heb 12:22) from whom the gospel word goes forth in the new covenant.
 
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In addition I challenge those of you who are sincerely and willingly ready to suffer verbal abuse and persecution for Christ's sake, to define Christmas and Easter as non-Biblical, plus anything else that might be revealed as false in scripture. Then in addition, try spiritually defining the feasts, and Sabbaths that are Biblical, and you will certainly be labeled as a heretic by those who demand separation in the "Kingdom of God." It's in our face.
No more than defining the sin sacrifice, the Levitical priesthood, the Mosaic covenant, or mediatorship of the covenant (Lk 22:20).

You are so confused. . .
 
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I truly believe it's a travesty that so many professing Christians belonging to protestant denominations verbally reject the doctrines of the Catholic persuasion, and demand to ascribe to some of those same doctrines they say they have protested against. Then they accuse others (such as myself) who esteem all of God's word (focusing on the Torah) of promoting a false doctrine by revealing the comparison between Rome's ancient religion and the (supposedly) protesting religions of this day. I see very little difference between hypocritical Pharisees, Catholics or these types of professing Protestants these days. They all distort scripture by demanding separation between Jews and Gentiles, old against the new covenant and testaments. Is this on purpose, or do they not understand that "a house divided against itself will not stand" the test of time? (Mark 3:25)

The Pharisees hated Jesus, the Catholics hated the Jews, and the Protestants say they are not like either one, yet practice Catholic heresies

Do you practice Lk 1:48?

and compare Torah observers to the Pharisees and the HRM, while rejecting, and distorting the same as did the Pharisees and the Catholics. What's wrong with this picture?
 

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Or the mountain and Jerusalem are simply the Church (Heb 12:22) from whom the gospel word goes forth in the new covenant.
2And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

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And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks:

nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


4But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of theLord of hosts hath spoken it.


-are nations fighting in conflits around the world, yes.
so no sorry this is a future time in the mill.

 
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2And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

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And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks:

nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


4But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of theLord of hosts hath spoken it.


-are nations fighting in conflits around the world, yes.
so no sorry this is a future time in the mill.

Sounds like a description of the new heavens and new earth.
 

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Sounds like a description of the new heavens and new earth.
yes it does very much so.

then why did you claim it is happening now on earth?

Or the mountain and Jerusalem are simply the Church (Heb 12:22) from whom the gospel word goes forth in the new covenant.
 
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Actually the new Heavens and new earth is not a Church. Its where we will spend Eternity with Jesus. Also if you notice carefully there are no sea's. No more Oceans.

Revelation 21:1
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
 
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2And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

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And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks:

nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


4But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of theLord of hosts hath spoken it.


-are nations fighting in conflits around the world, yes.
so no sorry this is a future time in the mill.

Sounds like a description of the new heavens and new earth.
Actually the new Heavens and new earth is not a Church. Its where we will spend Eternity with Jesus. Also if you notice carefully there are no sea's. No more Oceans.

Revelation 21:1
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
Did this conversation begin with the meaning of Mount Zion? Just wondering. I think the new heavens and new earth aren't the same in the prophecy about Zion in the Old testament. IMO
 
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Did this conversation begin with the meaning of Mount Zion? Just wondering. I think the new heavens and new earth aren't the same in the prophecy about Zion in the Old testament. IMO
Well, actually we can't know, because there is no certain interpretation given by the Bible of unfulfilled prophetic riddles, there is only uncertain private interpretation based on assumtions.
 
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Well, actually we can't know, because there is no certain interpretation given by the Bible of unfulfilled prophetic riddles, there is only uncertain private interpretation based on assumtions.
Then why discuss assumptions in an argumentative way? Let the scripture do the talking.

*"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels," (Hebrews 12:22) Present tense..........

"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:" (Ephesians 2:6) Present tense..........

"Let mount Zion rejoice, let the daughters of Judah be glad, because of thy judgments." (Psalm 48:11) Past tense during the reign of King David...........

"Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously." (Isaiah 24:23) Foretelling of the future promise..........

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. (Revelation 7:4 and Revelation 14:1) Future tense...........

This is what the children of God (His church) are to ask of God by the name of Christ Jesus. "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." (Matthew 10:6)

What needs to be understood is the relationship between King David of Israel, and the Kingdom of God in Christ Jesus.

"Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David." (2 Samuel 5:7)
"The Lord shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life." (Psalm 128:5)
"and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Revelation 3:12b)

Zion is the earthy representation of the heavenly. Zion always represents God with His children (His Kingdom) whether on earth or in heaven. So Zion represents the physical of the Old Testament, and the spiritual of the New Testament, both having One heavenly King. We can describe His Kingdom as Israel, the bride, or the church. All are correct in the New Jerusalem.

*"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Revelation 21:2 (Hebrews 12:22)

"And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem." (Micah 4:8)

The “daughter of Zion and Jerusalem” is mentioned several times in the Old Testament, usually in prophecy and once in poetry. “Zion” meant Jerusalem and, later, Israel as the people of God. “Daughter of Zion,” then, does not refer to a specific person. It’s a metaphor for Israel and the loving, caring, patient relationship God has with His chosen people. Consider God's children in relation to the bride of Christ.

Ezekiel 37 verses 16, 17, 21, 22, and 26 thru 28 (future prophecy enveloping all the above)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

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, the Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him." (Isaiah 62:11)

Nuff said
 
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Yall don't have enough fun treating Catholics like second class citizens on the other hate threads? This is pathetic
Catholics are not 2nd class citizens NEITHER 2nd class Christians. The thing is they also have been lied like many of us.

I´m happy that, the OT and the GOSPEL (alone) is enough to instruct those who want to know God and the Lord Jesus.
 
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Are you a Catholic, or do you just wish to adopt their original doctrines? Colossians 2:16-17 is referring to pagan's accusations against Christians keeping the feasts that God originally ordained for good reason. God doesn't change in midstream. Those original things that God gave us are for our own edification, so it's not by our works, but His.
You are so confused. . .and uninformed, in more than one area.

You don't even know how the Roman Catholic Magesterium operates.

Not every doctrine proposed by just anyone is Roman Catholic teaching.

Show where these doctrines have been its official teaching, as have other erroneous doctrines.

So, do you follow the Scriptures; e.g., Lk 1:48?
 
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Well, actually we can't know, because there is no certain interpretation given by the Bible of unfulfilled prophetic riddles, there is only uncertain private interpretation based on assumptions.
Then why discuss assumptions in an argumentative way? Let the scripture do the talking.
Do you really need that explained to you?

First of all, we can't know what they do mean, but we can certainly know what they do not mean when they contradict clear and certain NT teaching.

You present uncertain private interpretations of prophetic riddles which contradict clear and certain NT teaching, therefore, those interpretations are erroneous.

Secondly, unproven assumptions are not a basis of truth.
 
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The Arian Controversy
Influenced by this Greek (Hellenized) philosophical view of God, some Christians began to speculate that the one supreme God who must remain aloof from the changing world of matter, created angels, and that these angels were the ones who created and then interacted with the physical world. In like manner, they reasoned that Jesus Christ (who came into the world of matter and took on flesh) must also be a created intermediary. This view was taught by Arius, an influential Christian elder in Alexandria, Egypt.

Alexander, the bishop of Alexandria, vehemently disagreed with Arius' view. He tried to remove Arius from his church office, but the people protested. In order to try to settle the Arian controversy, the Roman Emperor Constantine called a church council in A.D. 325 at the city of Nicaea in Asia Minor near Constantinople. About 300 bishops attended, almost all coming from the East.

Council of Nicaea/Nicene
The council of A.D. 325 debated the nature of God and Jesus Christ. Most of the bishops present rejected Arius' idea that Jesus was a created being. They believed that when they worshiped Jesus, they were worshiping God. They believed they were saved by God, not by a created being. In short, they were convinced that Scripture declares that Jesus Christ is God.


What most Christians refuse to believe about the Counsel of Nicaea is that it was convened by Constantine, a worshipper of the 'sun-god,' technically 'converted' to Christianity. His reign marked the alliance of church and state. Christians were no longer persecuted by the pagans. Instead, Christians persecuted others (including other Christians) with a zeal and a vengeance that would shock the pagans. More Christians were killed (by other Christians!) in the first century after the Council of Nicea than had been killed by pagans in the century before Nicea.

By the time that Constantine called the first general church council at Nicea in 325, anti-Semitism was endemic in the "Church." The Council of Nicea was attended by 318 bishops, none of whom were of Jewish ancestry.

Passover was still celebrated by the Gentile Christian church, but the Gentiles began to see a need to differentiate "their" Passover from the Jewish Passover. The bishops decided to move the Christian celebration of Passover to the first Sunday after the Jewish Passover (in most years). The English word for Ashtoroth is “Easter” and according to recorded history, the sun god's birthday is December 25[SUP]th[/SUP]. (Baal, in relation to the “doctrine of Balaam Numbers 22:41, Ashtoroth Judges 2:13, and Molech Leviticus 18:21)

The first edict in favor of the 'Venerable Day of the Sun" (Sunday) was made at the Council of Nicea. Until this time, both Christian and Jew generally observed the seventh day Sabbath, according to the Biblical commandment.

http://www.dkiel.com/Creeds/NiceneCreedHistory.html

The following creed is from a church at Constantinople at the same period, and condemns practices of the Nazarenes:

I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads & sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspersions, purifications, sanctifications and propitiations and fasts, and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants and observances and Synagogues, and the food and drink of the Hebrews; in one word, I renounce everything Jewish, every law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with the Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.”
 
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is this thread about the flat earth? has a flat earther responded to the people that have sailed, flew around the world?