If you believe in OSAS, please answer a few questions for me.

Jason0047 · Jul 30, 2015

If you are an OSAS Proponent, then I have some questions for you that I would like answered. It appears the problem here on the forums is that many say that they are not in support of "sin" or in doing evil or in "Easy believism." Hopefully answering these questions will help us to understand where you are coming from.

Question #1. Can you be out of fellowship and still be saved?
(If you say "yes", then how is that not a condoning of sin? If you say "no", do you realize that others here do say, "yes" to this type of question? Why are they not corrected or reproved?)

Question #2. Can you die in unrepentant sin (like lying, lusting, and hating) and still be saved?
(If you say "yes", how is that not a condoning of sin?).

Question #3. Was not the first lie in the Garden by the devil saying that Eve will not die similar to the OSAS proponent today saying they will not die?
(If you disagree, please explain why).

Question #4. How is saying you cannot stop sinning in line with Jesus telling the woman caught in the act of adultery, to: "Sin no more."?

Question #5. How can all future sin be forgiven you if you have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin?
(Where in the 1st epistle of John does it specifically state that 1 John 1:9 is not dealing with salvation?)

Question #6. Do you believe the good fruit of the believer is from God or of the believer?
(If you believe it is from God and another believer believes the same thing, then how can you accuse them of Works Salvationism when they do not believe that?).

Question #7. What is better? To do good or to do evil? Do you think God wants us to live Holy as an example of being good?

Question #8. How do you uphold goodness or morality with your belief in OSAS? Do you believe the Prodigal Son was still saved when he went Prodigal?

Question #9. How can God being our Father condone his children to sin if you would not condone or allow your child to sin?

Question #10. How can a believer be truly born again, changed, and different if they are not really changed and different from the world?

just-me · Jul 30, 2015

Jason0047 said:

If you are an OSAS Proponent, then I have some questions for you that I would like answered. It appears the problem here on the forums is that many say that they are not in support of "sin" or in doing evil or in "Easy believism." Hopefully answering these questions will help us to understand where you are coming from.

Question #1. Can you be out of fellowship and still be saved?
(If you say "yes", then how is that not a condoning of sin? If you say "no", do you realize that others here do say, "yes" to this type of question? Why are they not corrected or reproved?)

Question #2. Can you die in unrepentant sin (like lying, lusting, and hating) and still be saved?
(If you say "yes", how is that not a condoning of sin?).

Question #3. Was not the first lie in the Garden by the devil saying that Eve will not die similar to the OSAS proponent today saying they will not die?
(If you disagree, please explain why).

Question #4. How is saying you cannot stop sinning in line with Jesus telling the woman caught in the act of adultery, to: "Sin no more."?

Question #5. How can all future sin be forgiven you if you have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin?
(Where in the 1st epistle of John does it specifically state that 1 John 1:9 is not dealing with salvation?)

Question #6. Do you believe the good fruit of the believer is from God or of the believer?
(If you believe it is from God and another believer believes the same thing, then how can you accuse them of Works Salvationism when they do not believe that?).

Question #7. What is better? To do good or to do evil? Do you think God wants us to live Holy as an example of being good?

Question #8. How do you uphold goodness or morality with your belief in OSAS? Do you believe the Prodigal Son was still saved when he went Prodigal?

Question #9. How can God being our Father condone his children to sin if you would not condone or allow your child to sin?

Question #10. How can a believer be truly born again, changed, and different if they are not really changed and different from the world?

I cannot answer your questions.

Guess why. LOL

flob · Jul 30, 2015

Cuz you may be saved from eternal hell.......but not saved from being out of fellowship.
What kind of stupid question is that anyway?
Is that fact that you're out of fellowship, some given time, with your folks = condoning that?

How do offenses (against your parents) = condoning offenses?

The first lie appears to be Satan's first sentence:
Did God really say, You shall not eat of any tree of the garden?
When did Eve die?
(Denying obab is one form of spiritual death)

One is you talking, one is the Lord.

The salvation for children of God differs from the (initial) salvation for nonchildren.
Does that help?
Meaning you may be saved from eternal damnation.............but not yet saved from your temper, or from the world,
in your experience.
Similar to how as a predestinated one-------------------you WILL receive the Lord,
so as a child of God (1 Jn 2:1)----------------------you will confess (Mt 18:34).
In fact, every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

The good fruit from God goes thru the believer. In other words, it requires cooperation. That is not works of law, that is grace. And that is also obedience and works of faith. It sounds like you might be suffering that accusation because you suggest people can lose their birth identity.

Unbelievers and religious generally may think and want the same thing.

That's an illustration of those already lost------------even though he is called a 'son,' the theme of those three parables is the lost becoming redeemed. (Though believers often may have similar experiences as believers.)
It's only God who is good. And only God who is the father of Life. Let Him worry about upholding goodness and morality. That's not your responsibility.

That sounds almost like Satan the serpent's first question to Eve. God didn't say they couldn't eat from most of the trees.
Who but you or Satan would suggest God condones sin?
You mean the fact that sin exists means God condones sin?
Is that your reasoning?
Do all things without murmurings and reasonings..

If you're not changed, you may not be a believer. If you are changed, you know it........... If you're not changed completely,
Jason........you may know that too

3Scoreand10 · Jul 30, 2015

I was going to respond to Jason, but remembered that it would be a waste of time.
Jason keeps his salvation by being sinless.
Jesus keeps me saved by His sinlessness.
I am to weak to help nn all powerful God when it comes to my eternal salvation.

dcontroversal · Jul 30, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

I was thinking why answer...many have answered these questions with scripture upon scripture in context and he will reject and then argue his own salvation lite coined pseudo gospel while denying the verb tenses, definitions of the words and context which proves him wrong in his approach!

3Scoreand10 · Jul 30, 2015

dcontroversal said:

I think Jason is jealous of us who KNOW we have eternal life while he lives in fear of sinning and losing his salvation.

flob · Jul 30, 2015

Jason needs salvation

psalm6819 · Jul 30, 2015

Regarding future sins : Lamb slain before the foundation of the world so actually ALL sin was future sin.

Face it Jason, no matter what you do, you are His, no matter what.

Fathers don't desert their children, no matter what.

tourist · Jul 30, 2015

flob said:

No. He already has salvation.

3Scoreand10 · Jul 30, 2015

tourist said:

I hope you are right, but if he is trusting in HIS ability to be sinless, I worry about his salvation.
Only God knows.

dcontroversal · Jul 30, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

There is but one gospel which has power to save...and he doesn't teach that gospel............! His only hope is when he actually trusted in eternal security and hopefully he actually trusted Jesus!

flob · Jul 30, 2015

No: salvation from his teaching.

to bring down every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of Christ

Angela53510 · Jul 31, 2015

I sadly have to question Jason's actual salvation. His believing the lie of sinless perfection is what makes me think he really needs to understand the sovereignty of God, as opposed to his own, puny, religious efforts to be clean before God, when only Jesus accomplished that.

Jason, I pray you will wake up one of these days, and realize that God, as our Father, holds us in the palm and does not leave or forsake us (no matter what we do!) Hebrews 13:5

"or he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” Hebrews 13:5

atwhatcost · Jul 31, 2015

Jason0047 said:

If you are an OSAS Proponent, then I have some questions for you that I would like answered. It appears the problem here on the forums is that many say that they are not in support of "sin" or in doing evil or in "Easy believism." Hopefully answering these questions will help us to understand where you are coming from.

Question #1. Can you be out of fellowship and still be saved?
(If you say "yes", then how is that not a condoning of sin? If you say "no", do you realize that others here do say, "yes" to this type of question? Why are they not corrected or reproved?)

Question #2. Can you die in unrepentant sin (like lying, lusting, and hating) and still be saved?
(If you say "yes", how is that not a condoning of sin?).

Question #3. Was not the first lie in the Garden by the devil saying that Eve will not die similar to the OSAS proponent today saying they will not die?
(If you disagree, please explain why).

Question #4. How is saying you cannot stop sinning in line with Jesus telling the woman caught in the act of adultery, to: "Sin no more."?

Question #5. How can all future sin be forgiven you if you have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin?
(Where in the 1st epistle of John does it specifically state that 1 John 1:9 is not dealing with salvation?)

Question #6. Do you believe the good fruit of the believer is from God or of the believer?
(If you believe it is from God and another believer believes the same thing, then how can you accuse them of Works Salvationism when they do not believe that?).

Question #7. What is better? To do good or to do evil? Do you think God wants us to live Holy as an example of being good?

Question #8. How do you uphold goodness or morality with your belief in OSAS? Do you believe the Prodigal Son was still saved when he went Prodigal?

Question #9. How can God being our Father condone his children to sin if you would not condone or allow your child to sin?

Question #10. How can a believer be truly born again, changed, and different if they are not really changed and different from the world?

If you ever honestly seek answers from people instead of playing Origami Fortune Teller, I will answer the one question you refuse to ask from a common sense perspective of the scripture. If.

dcontroversal · Jul 31, 2015

Angela53510 said:

I sadly have to question Jason's actual salvation. His believing the lie of sinless perfection is what makes me think he really needs to understand the sovereignty of God, as opposed to his own, puny, religious efforts to be clean before God, when only Jesus accomplished that.

Jason, I pray you will wake up one of these days, and realize that God, as our Father, holds us in the palm and does not leave or forsake us (no matter what we do!) Hebrews 13:5

"or he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” Hebrews 13:5

I agree for sure!

Jruiz · Jul 31, 2015

I'm curious to how this works...so if I committed adultery,do I repent? Or do I sweep it under the carpet because I'm saved and have eternal security?

Ella85 · Jul 31, 2015

You know to sum it up...

I AM NOT WORTHY

But thank God He is merciful.

just-me · Jul 31, 2015

Jruiz said:

For a believer, a repentant heart is daily. It's a God given attribute, that permeates our new character, given to us by God's Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ our daily Savior. If salvation were only a thing in our past, then we render ourselves incapable of picking up our cross daily, and following suit with Christ.

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Luke 9:23

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 1 Corinthians 15:31

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just-me said:

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation. 2 Corinthians 6:2

ladylynn · Jul 31, 2015

Jason0047 said:

It takes humility for us to allow Jesus to minister to us. We want to minister to the Lord. We want to give to the Lord. We want to do things for the Lord. We want to build great things for the Lord. We want to be contributors to the Lord. But we can give nothing because we are all bankrupt spiritually. What can we give, except that which we have received from Him? So the greatest thing you can do is to receive from Him. It takes a major change to quit being so carnally minded and learn instead to take from Jesus. Unless we know how to receive from Him, we can't understand how our salvation can be so complete when it is so undeserved. We will continue to try and deserve it by working hard to keep it. That is when a Christian falls from grace.

just-me · Jul 31, 2015

ladylynn said:

Even in the Old Covenant what was offered in the Temple was all from God in the first place. What we are in Christ is what He has given, not of ourselves "lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." James 1:17

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