The Book of Job
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I think its so easy for everyone here to comment on Job without having gone through it, I am in the midst of intense suffering and have been for a long time with restoration and healing being elusive, trust me once you are in it you will think differently of God and think differently of what it means to be blessed, and the Gospel and other things will not be as comforting. God knows how to hurt people and he knows what it means to cripple and disable and depending on who you are, if you are like me you will end up with little to no faith at all.
Jesus, God in flesh, didn't appreciate the way people rejected him, while trying to win praise from each other, true. We will all share in that suffering. In the case of Job, we are talking about excruciating physical pain. Some people believe there is no escape from such pain. I am suggesting that if we ask the Lord to heal us, he will.
I am sorry you are so angry with God. I know when I first got Rheumatoid Arthritis, and I could not walk or dress myself, and the pain was 10/10 each day, I got worn down and turned away from God, too! I knew God was real, I just was angry that he hadn't healed me despite my prayers, my church's prayers and many other people's prayers.
A lot of days, I did not want to go on. I became severely depressed, on top of the pain. And angry! Wait, I already said that.
After having to leave my job teaching, losing my friends and church in a long move, because my husband got transferred to another province, 12 hours away, I gave up totally. I didn't read my Bible or go to church for 2 years. Then, God spoke to me over a number of months and kept telling me to read the Psalms. I had heard it said that Billy Graham read 5 Psalms a day, so I started doing that. For 2 years straight. It showed me that suffering and pain is part of life. But it also showed me how real God was, and I could rejoice in him.
Then I got on better meds, and I was able to regain a lot of my life, except for the terrible deformities, especially in my feet and hands. God called me to Seminary, and I began to learn and grow. I learned that I didn't have to be angry at God anymore. I learned how much God loved me. I also learned that all those years of suffering and being in the desert, would help my ministry and I would be able to understand people's hurts, and depression. God allowed me to minister to the mentally ill. He opened doors to help the aged and disabled.
Well, I have been up and down pain wise for the last 5 years, when the original meds failed, one way or another. I've been in a med failure for months now. Yesterday started as a 10/10 pain day, till I took a med that is very harmful to the body. That I am not supposed to be on, it is so dangerous. But I tried not to question God, and today, I got up and taught Sunday School. Last week, I didn't know if I would be playing in a piano trio for the worship group, because of the pain, but I fought through and did. Even though I had dry mouth (so I blew harder on my flute, which I should have been doing anyway) and my foot kept going to sleep and freezing up, a new thing for me, God helped me.
I know the next two weeks are going to be a challenge, as I am preaching on August 16 on Psalm 42 and depression. I recognize that the enemy attacks those who are on the front line.
As for Job, I love the faith of that man! While he wanted to never have existed (about an 11/10 on the pain scale) he kept believing and trusting God. He is a shining example to us all, and a lesson that trials and tribulations exist in this sin filled world. My hope continues to be, that I look forward to meeting Christ face to face, and getting a new, pain free body!
Here is what I found in the Psalms which showed me to praise God, anyway!
"5 Why am I so depressed?
Why this turmoil within me?
Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him,
my Savior and my God." Psalm 42:5 HCSB
And in the New Testament, God shows us that we do require suffering to grow as Christians, contrary to the WoF lies.
"3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5
Praying for you, my brother in Christ!
A lot of days, I did not want to go on. I became severely depressed, on top of the pain. And angry! Wait, I already said that.
After having to leave my job teaching, losing my friends and church in a long move, because my husband got transferred to another province, 12 hours away, I gave up totally. I didn't read my Bible or go to church for 2 years. Then, God spoke to me over a number of months and kept telling me to read the Psalms. I had heard it said that Billy Graham read 5 Psalms a day, so I started doing that. For 2 years straight. It showed me that suffering and pain is part of life. But it also showed me how real God was, and I could rejoice in him.
Then I got on better meds, and I was able to regain a lot of my life, except for the terrible deformities, especially in my feet and hands. God called me to Seminary, and I began to learn and grow. I learned that I didn't have to be angry at God anymore. I learned how much God loved me. I also learned that all those years of suffering and being in the desert, would help my ministry and I would be able to understand people's hurts, and depression. God allowed me to minister to the mentally ill. He opened doors to help the aged and disabled.
Well, I have been up and down pain wise for the last 5 years, when the original meds failed, one way or another. I've been in a med failure for months now. Yesterday started as a 10/10 pain day, till I took a med that is very harmful to the body. That I am not supposed to be on, it is so dangerous. But I tried not to question God, and today, I got up and taught Sunday School. Last week, I didn't know if I would be playing in a piano trio for the worship group, because of the pain, but I fought through and did. Even though I had dry mouth (so I blew harder on my flute, which I should have been doing anyway) and my foot kept going to sleep and freezing up, a new thing for me, God helped me.
I know the next two weeks are going to be a challenge, as I am preaching on August 16 on Psalm 42 and depression. I recognize that the enemy attacks those who are on the front line.
As for Job, I love the faith of that man! While he wanted to never have existed (about an 11/10 on the pain scale) he kept believing and trusting God. He is a shining example to us all, and a lesson that trials and tribulations exist in this sin filled world. My hope continues to be, that I look forward to meeting Christ face to face, and getting a new, pain free body!
Here is what I found in the Psalms which showed me to praise God, anyway!
"5 Why am I so depressed?
Why this turmoil within me?
Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him,
my Savior and my God." Psalm 42:5 HCSB
And in the New Testament, God shows us that we do require suffering to grow as Christians, contrary to the WoF lies.
"3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5
Praying for you, my brother in Christ!
God has nothing to do with evil, sickness taking your children early. That is all satan. God is not in control of everything. We know He can over power everything. God does not use sickness to teach us anything. If he did that would be evil.
We have free will. Adam gave that over to satan. Leaving satan incharge of the earth. he offers it all to Christ as it was his.
God does not delegate power to satan to make us sick or teach us in sickness that in itself would be sick.
My God came to heal then all as it says in His word He healed them all.
satan came to steal kill and destroy.
God made laws and He will not break them.
hitler would make you sick to teach you a lesson. If any think God is like that. Then they dont know Him.
We have free will. Adam gave that over to satan. Leaving satan incharge of the earth. he offers it all to Christ as it was his.
God does not delegate power to satan to make us sick or teach us in sickness that in itself would be sick.
My God came to heal then all as it says in His word He healed them all.
satan came to steal kill and destroy.
God made laws and He will not break them.
hitler would make you sick to teach you a lesson. If any think God is like that. Then they dont know Him.
Did you ever actually read the book of Job???
God had everything to do with what happened to Job. He pointed out Job to Satan. He put limits on what he could do. The only thing he wasn't allowed to do was kill Job. But God didn't include his 10 beautiful children in those limits. This shows that God is not only totally in control of even Satan, but he has plans for us to learn and grow, which sometimes are testings and tribulations. But God does promise he will be with us in those painful things.
"8And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord." Job 1:8-12
"3 And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you incited me against him to destroy him without reason.”4 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life.5 But stretch out your hand and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse you to your face.”6 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.”7 So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. 8 And he took a piece of broken pottery with which to scrape himself while he sat in the ashes." Job 2:3-8
In both of the above passages, God points out Job to Satan, proving that he does control not only Job's life, but also Satan. What I also find interesting in Job, is that God never explains to him why he allowed Satan to attack him. The last chapters of Job, God is speaking to Job, and telling him that he can do what he wants, and that he created everything. God is simply not limited by our petty, shallow theologies. And that is a life lesson that everyone needs to remember!
A final passage that has always comforted me, because it tells us that God will be with us in our trials.
"But now thus says the Lord,
he who created you, O Jacob,
he who formed you, O Israel:
“Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have called you by name, you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you;
when you walk through fire you shall not be burned,
and the flame shall not consume you.
3 For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior." Isa. 43:1-3a
I think some people posting on this thread really need to read or re-read the book of Job, before they post things which are in total conflict with what the book actually says! Instead of listening to false teachers, read the Bible for yourself. The Holy Spirit will give you understanding the more you read over the pages of the Bible, again, and again and again.
I'll finish with another passage, this time from the New Testament.
"2 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds,3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." James 1:2-4
God had everything to do with what happened to Job. He pointed out Job to Satan. He put limits on what he could do. The only thing he wasn't allowed to do was kill Job. But God didn't include his 10 beautiful children in those limits. This shows that God is not only totally in control of even Satan, but he has plans for us to learn and grow, which sometimes are testings and tribulations. But God does promise he will be with us in those painful things.
"8And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord." Job 1:8-12
"3 And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you incited me against him to destroy him without reason.”4 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life.5 But stretch out your hand and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse you to your face.”6 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.”7 So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. 8 And he took a piece of broken pottery with which to scrape himself while he sat in the ashes." Job 2:3-8
In both of the above passages, God points out Job to Satan, proving that he does control not only Job's life, but also Satan. What I also find interesting in Job, is that God never explains to him why he allowed Satan to attack him. The last chapters of Job, God is speaking to Job, and telling him that he can do what he wants, and that he created everything. God is simply not limited by our petty, shallow theologies. And that is a life lesson that everyone needs to remember!
A final passage that has always comforted me, because it tells us that God will be with us in our trials.
"But now thus says the Lord,
he who created you, O Jacob,
he who formed you, O Israel:
“Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have called you by name, you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you;
when you walk through fire you shall not be burned,
and the flame shall not consume you.
3 For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior." Isa. 43:1-3a
I think some people posting on this thread really need to read or re-read the book of Job, before they post things which are in total conflict with what the book actually says! Instead of listening to false teachers, read the Bible for yourself. The Holy Spirit will give you understanding the more you read over the pages of the Bible, again, and again and again.
I'll finish with another passage, this time from the New Testament.
"2 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds,3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." James 1:2-4
Hold that up in a court as proof and you will be laughed out of court there is NO evidence that God is in control of everything in the passages you quoted. Please highlight the part you think proves that God is in control of satan and Job
You believe that God is in control of everything. Then that means you believe that God kills our children with cancer and accidents. You believe that that God kills everyone at the right time for His porposes.
You ask me with three quetion marks did I read Job. Yes I did. And I used to believe the false teaching you now believe. But I left that behind.
I beleive God is good all the time and would never give satn authority to hurt anyone.
I believe satan is acting illegally.
I believe Jesus when He say I came to give you life to the full.
I believe satans a liar and comes to steal the word.
Kill man
And destroy everything he can.
I will post tomorow when I get some time how you and many others are believing a lie because of false teaching its really simple. God is either good or hes evil.
And I know God is good all the time.
You are not understanding the verse you quoted in James either.
You making it fit you false theory. God does not send us trials. satan does that.
But you are blaming God. How can God be responcible for taking our children and be good. That is a horible thing to accuse God of.
You believe that God is in control of everything. Then that means you believe that God kills our children with cancer and accidents. You believe that that God kills everyone at the right time for His porposes.
You ask me with three quetion marks did I read Job. Yes I did. And I used to believe the false teaching you now believe. But I left that behind.
I beleive God is good all the time and would never give satn authority to hurt anyone.
I believe satan is acting illegally.
I believe Jesus when He say I came to give you life to the full.
I believe satans a liar and comes to steal the word.
Kill man
And destroy everything he can.
I will post tomorow when I get some time how you and many others are believing a lie because of false teaching its really simple. God is either good or hes evil.
And I know God is good all the time.
You are not understanding the verse you quoted in James either.
You making it fit you false theory. God does not send us trials. satan does that.
But you are blaming God. How can God be responcible for taking our children and be good. That is a horible thing to accuse God of.
I suggest you study the bible a little more friend.....as God in Hosea states 7 different ways in the which he takes the children away when a nation is ripe for judgment, God caused Herod to be eaten with worms, David had physical ailments due to his sin with Uriah and Bathsheba and even struck David's 1st born son with Bathsheba with sickness and took the SON after David begged a week for a reprieve.....and that is just 4 examples off the top of my head!
Tell you what here is the truth. Try telling me this guy is misteaching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz7hjm0TnaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz7hjm0TnaI
