Jason0047 said:
Question #2. Can you die in unrepentant sin (like lying, lusting, and hating) and still be saved?
Yes. For the same reasons expressed above.
Paul says,
"Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
Paul says, and such WERE (Past tense) some of you. Meaning you used to do those types of sins before you became a believer, but you are not supposed to be that way anymore (after having believed).
Paul also essentially says that if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
Most OSAS Proponents I have talked with have either flat out denied certain words of Jesus (as applying to us) and many say living holy is not necessary in being a true child of God.
Jason0047 said:
Question #3. Was not the first lie in the Garden by the devil saying that Eve will not die similar to the OSAS proponent today saying they will not die?
Vigilant_Warrior said:
No. The devil denied spiritual death of the unbeliever, which is what God meant when He said "You will surely die."
That doesn't make sense. A believer (or person who had fellowship with God) is not an unbeliever if they had a one time moment of unbelief or doubt. Peter was not labeled as an unbeliever, nor was his discipleship revoked because he had a moment of unbelief whereby he could not continue to walk on the water. An unbeliever is somebody who persists in unbelief despite the truth. An unbeliever is someone generally who has never known the LORD or it is someone who has apostasized.
Adam and Eve did not become unbelievers or persist in following a false road of salvation. They had a momentary lapse of falling into committing a sin that would place all of mankind in sin. They died spiritually the very day the LORD said they would. God said, in that day you will die. They didn't die physically. They died spiritually. Remember, there body was not immortal unless they ate of the tree of life. Adam and Eve broke the Commandment of God. They sinned. 1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the Law. That is what they did. They transgressed the Law and the devil lied to them saying they would not die (But they did die). This is the same lie that is being pushed by OSAS proponents today. They are saying you can sin and still be saved. You shall not die. Words that are echoed by the serpent all the way back in the beginning.
Adam and Eve did not become unbelievers or persist in following a false road of salvation. They had a momentary lapse of falling into committing a sin that would place all of mankind in sin. They died spiritually the very day the LORD said they would. God said, in that day you will die. They didn't die physically. They died spiritually. Remember, there body was not immortal unless they ate of the tree of life. Adam and Eve broke the Commandment of God. They sinned. 1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the Law. That is what they did. They transgressed the Law and the devil lied to them saying they would not die (But they did die). This is the same lie that is being pushed by OSAS proponents today. They are saying you can sin and still be saved. You shall not die. Words that are echoed by the serpent all the way back in the beginning.
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