Preachers Brutally Beaten At Gay Pride Festival
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Which is why confrontation is not a valid preaching of the Gospel. Yes, the Gospel offends, it inflames, it makes angry. But that applies to the pure word of the Gospel, spoken with love. Those purveying it are supposed to be preaching and teaching the truth in love. It is not "love" to confront a mob knowing it's reaction will be violence. Not only is that not Christlike, it is stupid.
And that means speaking the truth in love, not in confrontation.
No, but it wouldn't be any smarter than approaching anti-Christian LGBTs with an ostentatious sign meant to inflame rather than convict. Conviction comes from the Holy Spirit. You think the Holy Spirit forces His message on anyone?
They had a parade permit, so yes, they were on their "home turf." The preachers did not have such a permit. You can argue the necessity to have one to preach the Gospel all you want, but did not Jesus tell Peter to go catch a fish that would have the drachma in its mouth to pay their temple tax?
Yes, Jesus confronted sinners, the Pharisees, Saducees, scribes, etc. But the big different between Him and us is that He is God, and His righteousness permits Him to simultaneously judge and preach the truth. We don't have His divine discernment, and we must be more careful in teaching with love.
You don't like that, then you're probably mistaken about your area of giftedness in preaching the Gospel.
And that means speaking the truth in love, not in confrontation.
No, but it wouldn't be any smarter than approaching anti-Christian LGBTs with an ostentatious sign meant to inflame rather than convict. Conviction comes from the Holy Spirit. You think the Holy Spirit forces His message on anyone?
They had a parade permit, so yes, they were on their "home turf." The preachers did not have such a permit. You can argue the necessity to have one to preach the Gospel all you want, but did not Jesus tell Peter to go catch a fish that would have the drachma in its mouth to pay their temple tax?
Yes, Jesus confronted sinners, the Pharisees, Saducees, scribes, etc. But the big different between Him and us is that He is God, and His righteousness permits Him to simultaneously judge and preach the truth. We don't have His divine discernment, and we must be more careful in teaching with love.
You don't like that, then you're probably mistaken about your area of giftedness in preaching the Gospel.
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Dude653 may be so deceived by the devil that he actually believes public preaching to crowds of people formed around sexually immoral behaviors is "just harassing them" but the bible teaches that's exactly what we are to do.
As Rev Graham stated in March:
"Pastors must not shut up, said Rev. Franklin Graham, emphasizing that the sole guide is the Bible, which teaches that homosexual behavior is wrong and that abortion is murder.”
Rev. Graham: ‘Don’t Shut Up!’ – ‘Homosexuality is Wrong’ & Abortion is ‘A Sin Against God, It’s Murder’
What Does the Bible Say About Preaching?
As Rev Graham stated in March:
"Pastors must not shut up, said Rev. Franklin Graham, emphasizing that the sole guide is the Bible, which teaches that homosexual behavior is wrong and that abortion is murder.”
Rev. Graham: ‘Don’t Shut Up!’ – ‘Homosexuality is Wrong’ & Abortion is ‘A Sin Against God, It’s Murder’
What Does the Bible Say About Preaching?
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"Liberals" increasingly, do become "intolerant animals" with respect to their behavior when they hear the Word of God preached to them.
And they are working very hard to corrupt Western justice systems further than they already have so they can wield them as tools of severe authoritarianism/totalitarianism bullying against moral genuine Christians to persecute us with exorbitant fines and judgments that bankrupt us and incarceration in the nation's penal institutions with life-long criminal records that materially destroy our careers and ability to earn for nothing more than exercising our biblical natural human right to publicly preach the morality of God.
[video=youtube;2YQs0I6AQxw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YQs0I6AQxw[/video]
And they are working very hard to corrupt Western justice systems further than they already have so they can wield them as tools of severe authoritarianism/totalitarianism bullying against moral genuine Christians to persecute us with exorbitant fines and judgments that bankrupt us and incarceration in the nation's penal institutions with life-long criminal records that materially destroy our careers and ability to earn for nothing more than exercising our biblical natural human right to publicly preach the morality of God.
[video=youtube;2YQs0I6AQxw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YQs0I6AQxw[/video]
Just because they had a permit, it doesnt follow that the preachers were harassing them, nor does it give them the right to start thumping on the preachers.
People, it may have been unwise for the preachers to preach there at that time and under those circumstances BUT THE LAW WAS BROKEN BY CERTAIN ONES IN THE CROWD AND NOT BY THE PREACHERS!!!
People, it may have been unwise for the preachers to preach there at that time and under those circumstances BUT THE LAW WAS BROKEN BY CERTAIN ONES IN THE CROWD AND NOT BY THE PREACHERS!!!
I see. But you get to sit and call people "stupid" with impunity? Where's the love?
A parade permit doesn't confer ownership rights. It's still a public space.
Then I guess, because we're not God, we cannot judge anything, eh? I guess John 7:24 or Matthew 7:5 were written by the apostles when they were "in the flesh" (I've heard that excuse by people who want to ignore certain parts of Scripture).
We should all just "let evil run its course" (another gem I've heard from Christians who don't want to get involved in anything).
Wait...are you making a judgment about me?
That's exactly right. I know from people I've dealt with in the past that there is a pervasive agenda at play here. Homosexuality is essentially a mental disorder (it was taken out of the A.P.A.'s D.S.M. in the 70s via the effort of lobbyists). Rather than have everyone run to them and celebrate their illness, they should be told to seek help.
Think of it this way. If someone you knew suffered from depression, would you tell them to stop fighting who they are and to celebrate the depression or would you do the prudent thing and direct them toward help?
These people need Christ, and the ardent homosexuals will get violent about it no matter what. Those signs could have reached just one person in that "gay pride" crowd. If so, it was worth it.
Think of it this way. If someone you knew suffered from depression, would you tell them to stop fighting who they are and to celebrate the depression or would you do the prudent thing and direct them toward help?
These people need Christ, and the ardent homosexuals will get violent about it no matter what. Those signs could have reached just one person in that "gay pride" crowd. If so, it was worth it.
It may be unwise to preach anywhere at any time nowadays. The Bible tells us that preaching is foolishness to the world.
1 Corinthians 18-20:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians 18-20:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
That's a call for the preachers involved to make, though. Not a bunch of armchair quarterbacks on a forum.
The Word needs to get out there and I salute them for getting it out there. They were courageous. Where I live, with a church a stone's throw from my property, I never hear the Gospel preached.
The Word needs to get out there and I salute them for getting it out there. They were courageous. Where I live, with a church a stone's throw from my property, I never hear the Gospel preached.
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You're presenting a skewed picture of the Christ. It's not that Jesus didn't walk and fellowship with sinners, He did. But He did so much more that you are in obvious ignorance and/or denial of.
Jesus confronted people, institutions, and false teaching. He raised his voice and at least once a whip. Jesus did not preach to please. To the contrary, he spoke the truth, even forcefully and even when He knew it would push many of his followers away and incite conflict with the authorities.
Jesus corrected and confronted publicly and directly. Jesus often exposed the true nature of the wickedness of false teachers by using animal names to metaphorically describe them. He called the Pharisees the “offspring of serpents,” Herod “a fox,” false teachers “wolves,” and unregenerate Gentiles “dogs.”
And so did His apostles. Read the book of Acts.
This politically correct belief you have that Jesus was a meek pacifist who only ate vegetables and would never confront a sinner on their sin is a fabricated false fairytale.
Jesus confronted people, institutions, and false teaching. He raised his voice and at least once a whip. Jesus did not preach to please. To the contrary, he spoke the truth, even forcefully and even when He knew it would push many of his followers away and incite conflict with the authorities.
Jesus corrected and confronted publicly and directly. Jesus often exposed the true nature of the wickedness of false teachers by using animal names to metaphorically describe them. He called the Pharisees the “offspring of serpents,” Herod “a fox,” false teachers “wolves,” and unregenerate Gentiles “dogs.”
And so did His apostles. Read the book of Acts.
This politically correct belief you have that Jesus was a meek pacifist who only ate vegetables and would never confront a sinner on their sin is a fabricated false fairytale.
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I know plenty of once lost hardened sinful people who were saved and changed their lives after being confronted with their lost sinful condition and the gospel. So chose it and some rejected it.
Either way; however, the bible is full of real life examples in which Jesus and His apostles confront people and win some of them over because they loved God, loved the truth, and loved the people around them enough to boldly tell them the truth so they could have an opportunity to be saved and changed into "new creatures."
Your assertion that confronting people is never the right way to win them over is unbiblical and false.
Study Paul's homiletics. He is directly confrontational engaging pagans with their deceived lost immoral condition and God's prescription for it in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul repeatedly states that there is a living loving holy creator God as opposed to the worthless idols that never show their power as he confronts pagans in his missionary journeys right where they are in their deception and sin.
For example, in Lystra, Paul attacks their false pagan gods as worthless things. This is even more powerful when you realize that the priests of Zeus have brought out bulls to sacrifice to Paul and Barnabas because they had mistaken him for one of their fabricated pagan gods due to the healing miracles he worked through the power of God in that city. Paul points at these prepared sacrifices when he says, “worthless idols.” The noun used here (μάταιος) means that these idols and their sacrifices “lack truth” and it is pointless to worship them because they are not true at all.
The citizens of Lystra's reaction to this was to stone him and leave him for dead. On recovering, Paul left for Derbe; but soon returned again, through Lystra, encouraging the disciples there to steadfastness. Timothy, who was probably born in Lystra, witnessed Paul's confrontation and persecution in Lystra and was converted.
You are myopically projecting your own recalciatrance at having someone boldly confront you with the truth publicly as a false teaching that Christians are never supposed to preach the word boldly and that is NOT true. Biblical examples themselves, in both the old and new testament, completely refute your false assertion.
The mission of the prophet and the preacher is all about confronting people with their actual condition, God's prescription for it, and His judgment of it if they reject His provision runs right through both the old and new testament.
Read Stephen's final speech to the Sanhedrin. Pay attention to verses 51-57:
“'You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.'
When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 'Look,' he said, 'I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.' At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, dragged him out of the city and began to stone him."
Perhaps you would have stoned Stephen or Paul or walked off because you were offended at what they boldly and publicly proclaimed and in the manner they proclaimed it but there it is right at the heart of the bible's homiletic.
Instead of falling into the error of misrepresenting what actually happens in the bible so it can comport with your own egoist feelings, you need to read it and see what's actually happening as God's ministers move in the world moved by God and adjust to that.
Either way; however, the bible is full of real life examples in which Jesus and His apostles confront people and win some of them over because they loved God, loved the truth, and loved the people around them enough to boldly tell them the truth so they could have an opportunity to be saved and changed into "new creatures."
Your assertion that confronting people is never the right way to win them over is unbiblical and false.
Study Paul's homiletics. He is directly confrontational engaging pagans with their deceived lost immoral condition and God's prescription for it in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul repeatedly states that there is a living loving holy creator God as opposed to the worthless idols that never show their power as he confronts pagans in his missionary journeys right where they are in their deception and sin.
For example, in Lystra, Paul attacks their false pagan gods as worthless things. This is even more powerful when you realize that the priests of Zeus have brought out bulls to sacrifice to Paul and Barnabas because they had mistaken him for one of their fabricated pagan gods due to the healing miracles he worked through the power of God in that city. Paul points at these prepared sacrifices when he says, “worthless idols.” The noun used here (μάταιος) means that these idols and their sacrifices “lack truth” and it is pointless to worship them because they are not true at all.
The citizens of Lystra's reaction to this was to stone him and leave him for dead. On recovering, Paul left for Derbe; but soon returned again, through Lystra, encouraging the disciples there to steadfastness. Timothy, who was probably born in Lystra, witnessed Paul's confrontation and persecution in Lystra and was converted.
You are myopically projecting your own recalciatrance at having someone boldly confront you with the truth publicly as a false teaching that Christians are never supposed to preach the word boldly and that is NOT true. Biblical examples themselves, in both the old and new testament, completely refute your false assertion.
The mission of the prophet and the preacher is all about confronting people with their actual condition, God's prescription for it, and His judgment of it if they reject His provision runs right through both the old and new testament.
Read Stephen's final speech to the Sanhedrin. Pay attention to verses 51-57:
“'You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.'
When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 'Look,' he said, 'I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.' At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, dragged him out of the city and began to stone him."
Perhaps you would have stoned Stephen or Paul or walked off because you were offended at what they boldly and publicly proclaimed and in the manner they proclaimed it but there it is right at the heart of the bible's homiletic.
Instead of falling into the error of misrepresenting what actually happens in the bible so it can comport with your own egoist feelings, you need to read it and see what's actually happening as God's ministers move in the world moved by God and adjust to that.