Preachers Brutally Beaten At Gay Pride Festival
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Point well taken. Perhaps these preachers felt as I do that gay marriage has come to us, even has been foisted upon us and requires a strong rebuke. I guess the old Yippie in me just won't die and I wont be silent on this attack on God's Word. I see little difference with this and the attack against Christ by the Pharisees and Saducees.
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I agree with refusing to be silent about the abomination against God that gay marriage represents. But speaking out about gay marriage isn't evangelism. These "preachers" were engaging in the former, not the latter.
Evangelism requires an entirely different approach, as I've advocated on this thread for about ten pages now.
Evangelism requires an entirely different approach, as I've advocated on this thread for about ten pages now.
What if I went to a country music concert holding signs that say country music sucks. That is pretty much what these preachers did. It's like live action trolling. As for the comparison the temple ,this is completely erroneous because they were just having a rally on their own turf and were not defiling any temple
K
Actually no that is not a good point that was made, because John the Baptist was before the commission was issued out to the Apostles.......
Lord Jesus commanded the Apostles to go out into those areas of the wolves and preach the word, and then warned them of what they would face in the trials, tribulations, persecutions, and even death. (Matthew 10)
Then Jesus told them only those who endured all of that and kept the faith to the end would be saved.
Jesus did not tell them wait around until others come to you, no He sent them out into the dens of wolves !!!
What would Jesus Christ say to gay people.?... I imagine he would say something along the lines of....
I love you and I offer you a way out of this sinful lifestyle. I won't force you to come to me but I will welcome you with open arms. Also I understand what it feels like to be shunned and ridiculed by society.
I love you and I offer you a way out of this sinful lifestyle. I won't force you to come to me but I will welcome you with open arms. Also I understand what it feels like to be shunned and ridiculed by society.
It would have been 'confrontational' if the Athenians acted as brutish as those in the video.
Some Christians would be saying, "what was Paul thinking? Why did he go into that den of wolves? Paul deserved what he got". So as they would blame Paul we blame these preachers.
I have already said their style I would never do, but it's easy to type and criticize them while not going ourselves...even in love.
Philippians 1:15-18 (KJV)
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Some Christians would be saying, "what was Paul thinking? Why did he go into that den of wolves? Paul deserved what he got". So as they would blame Paul we blame these preachers.
I have already said their style I would never do, but it's easy to type and criticize them while not going ourselves...even in love.
Philippians 1:15-18 (KJV)
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
K
I definitely agree with you here, as nowhere does the bible say God forces people to come to Him.
He even shows us an example that we are not to do the same thing, by saying if they don't receive the word dust your feet off and keep moving to the next one. People have a bad sense on how to apply rebuking and reproving others, and turn it into persecution and condemning which are judgmental attitudes.
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I didn't address V.W. because he is on ignore for continuing to make false allegations and claims against me that I never said.
Once again now we have a flip flopping of scripture of what the Lord said, for He did not say you are now saved so you will be able to endure all that comes your way. NO, He said those who endure to the end will be saved !!!
It does not make it a matter of works that the endurance comes first, because keeping the faith in Christ is not a work.....
Parallel scripture:
Hebrews 10:36
For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.
What is promised to us is eternal life, and once again here you have endurance and the doing the will of God in our lives coming first. I know trying to put salvation as an immediate physical possession of ours right now is a common teaching now days, but it is not supported in the bible.
The bible says we have hope of receiving, and we seek for it !!!
Once again now we have a flip flopping of scripture of what the Lord said, for He did not say you are now saved so you will be able to endure all that comes your way. NO, He said those who endure to the end will be saved !!!
It does not make it a matter of works that the endurance comes first, because keeping the faith in Christ is not a work.....
Parallel scripture:
Hebrews 10:36
For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.
What is promised to us is eternal life, and once again here you have endurance and the doing the will of God in our lives coming first. I know trying to put salvation as an immediate physical possession of ours right now is a common teaching now days, but it is not supported in the bible.
The bible says we have hope of receiving, and we seek for it !!!
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Hey bro!I am not in favor of them getting beat up either. I am just looking for you to understand something. You know brother crossnotes how the word says this Heb 4:12!! right?? If you use the sword( the Word) to cut someone,you must understand you also can become cut be it yourself,for the two edged sword cuts in both directions! For indeed what soever a man sows that shall he also reap,( gal 6:1-5) and verse 7-10!
This law applies to both the just and unjust( matt 5:45) The consequence for self can be harsh( col 3:25) John the baptist had no such problem,perhaps now you know why.Some people know just enough of the Gospel to hurt themselves and others by it,they have not yet learned how to tame there own tongue(Proverbs 18:21) You get, what you put out.
I have been out many times on the streets of Detroit brother,I lived on them for 3 years. I have preached on those streets and have seen many come to the Lord,I was mocked,spit upon but never struck! When you go out into the jungle you must be prepared for the jungle,I know the Word brother!Hence there is no fear,and no doubt. I do not boast in myself in this!!For wisdom is obtained by Christ Jesus!!( 1 cor 1:30-31!!!)
It is wise you use his wisdom rather then our own! LOL I thank the Lord for his!! I hope you understand better now, and are not mad at me for speaking this.And you helped me make my point as well, so thanks for that bro!! John the Baptist spoke the very same, as Jesus did to the Scribes and Pharisees who thought people should be under there rules! My point made perfect by you words bro!! thanks for that!!
This law applies to both the just and unjust( matt 5:45) The consequence for self can be harsh( col 3:25) John the baptist had no such problem,perhaps now you know why.Some people know just enough of the Gospel to hurt themselves and others by it,they have not yet learned how to tame there own tongue(Proverbs 18:21) You get, what you put out.
I have been out many times on the streets of Detroit brother,I lived on them for 3 years. I have preached on those streets and have seen many come to the Lord,I was mocked,spit upon but never struck! When you go out into the jungle you must be prepared for the jungle,I know the Word brother!Hence there is no fear,and no doubt. I do not boast in myself in this!!For wisdom is obtained by Christ Jesus!!( 1 cor 1:30-31!!!)
It is wise you use his wisdom rather then our own! LOL I thank the Lord for his!! I hope you understand better now, and are not mad at me for speaking this.And you helped me make my point as well, so thanks for that bro!! John the Baptist spoke the very same, as Jesus did to the Scribes and Pharisees who thought people should be under there rules! My point made perfect by you words bro!! thanks for that!!
K
Well I was addressing what was asked and also addressing the usage of scripture that was given.
But back to topic the Lord Jesus did send the Apostles and disciples out among the wolves to preach the good news.
The difference being are they preaching at them from hatred and condemnation, or are they preaching to them out of love and for correctness by His word? This would make the difference if they are preaching properly or not....
Well I agree, our motive needs to be out of love and thankfulness for what Christ has already done for us.
One of my points is, from the clip I can't say they didn't go with helpful intentions and I didn't hear any abusive language or see them throw punches back. I do admit that what they did do was an instigation but when isn't the true Gospel even preached from pure motives not an instigation?
Too much syruppy preaching today bringing no conviction of sins...AAIIIEEE, can't mention sin, lest we offend
One of my points is, from the clip I can't say they didn't go with helpful intentions and I didn't hear any abusive language or see them throw punches back. I do admit that what they did do was an instigation but when isn't the true Gospel even preached from pure motives not an instigation?
Too much syruppy preaching today bringing no conviction of sins...AAIIIEEE, can't mention sin, lest we offend
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Too much syruppy preaching today bringing no conviction of sins...AAIIIEEE, can't mention sin, lest we offend
Can I say the same thing to a stranger in a restaurant?
It's the same principle with the Gospel. Yes, preach sin to them. But you better know them well enough for the preaching to go down well. Otherwise, you've just started a fight.