By your actions: What kind of person are you? (Part 1)

[Jason0047]

oh to
"be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ -- the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith."

!!

Yes, the righteousness of the Law of Moses. This is not talking about the Law of Faith (Romans 3:27) or the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), or the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2), or the Royal Law (James 2:8), or the Law of Liberty (James 1:25) (Which deal with the Commands given to us in the New Testament).

In other words, what does one's faith look like? Is it a dead faith with no works?

 

[Magenta]

Jesus said we are to let our light shine before men. This is the Light of God within us. However, if one is in darkness, then how can they shine any kind of light to anyone?

Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

[Jason0047]

Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruit. He also said,

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

In other words, a bad guy will exposed by their evil deeds. For being a wolf on the inside is suggesting that they are up to know good behind the scenes.

 

[mwc68]

I answered "other" - I needed a multiple answer . . .
I am a saint [set apart] because of my faith in Jesus Christ.

At times I do sin but don't consider myself a "sinner" because I do not "live in sin".

I sometimes am double minded because I fail to "upgrade" (renew) my thinking to the level of Christ. I follow my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ although at times I fail for I do not see myself as "perfect" as He.

I am obedient to the Lord's commands to the best of my ability but because of the frailty of this "body of death" that I dwell in - I am not always obedient.

People would not be surprised I was a Christian when I told them. . . .People would not really know I was Christian unless I told them. . . . Most know that I am a Christian . . . I don't have to confess that I am a Christian to anyone for man does not set a seal of approval upon me but it is God who sets his "seal of approval" on me.

I agree with this. I feel the same way

 

[Utah]

I'll go with "Other (Please Explain)"

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Come to New Jersey. You'll fit right in.

 

[notuptome]

Ro 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

No entry for this one either?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Angela53510]

This familiar verse should cover it all:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:8-10

So you are asking about which good works Christ created for me?? That has changed over the years. For the first 15 or so years of my Christian walk, I thought legalism was the way to follow Christ. It was deadening and fruitless time, I cannot lie. I was very involved in my church, and did not use my worldly connections to witness for Christ. I knew so many unsaved people through my kids' hockey, and I don't believe I ever witnessed to any of them, although they all knew I was a Christian. Maybe a self righteous one?

After God allowed me to be broken down, I started walking in the Spirit. God started opening doors, and I began to see the good works HE had prepared for me. I've been doing them ever since. That includes a prayer ministry, reaching out to the hurting, broken and lost here and in other places, including real life. I also have a strong music ministry, which I dedicated to God from the day I got saved. Although I did teach music for many years, I never played music again in a bar, pub, or festival - I only play to glorify God. And finally, I have used my talents, training and family background to teach and preach the Word of God.

I can only glorify God, that he allowed me so many chances to do the works he created for me, and that I have been able to walk in them, as I dedicate my heart, soul and mind to Jesus Christ.

 

[Jason0047]

Ro 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

No entry for this one either?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

In the bulk of Romans 7, Paul is talking about his life as a Jew who obeyed the Law of Moses before he became a Christian. At the end of Romans 7 and in Romans 8, Paul then is speaking from the perspective as a Christian. This is obvious by comparing two simple verses. Romans 7:14 says Paul is sold under sin and then in Romans 8:2 Paul says he is free from sin. So unless Paul has a split personality, Paul is clearly speaking here from two different persepctives (Which is made clear by the context). For the whole of Romans 7 is leading up to Jesus Christ as the solution. Before he was saying it was a struggle. But that is not the case if one is in Christ. For Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works fo the devil.

The Bible makes it absolutely clear that all who do evil hate the Light (John 3:20) and that anyone who sins is of the devil (1 John 3:8). Believers have to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

 

[Jason0047]

This familiar verse should cover it all:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:8-10

So you are asking about which good works Christ created for me?? That has changed over the years. For the first 15 or so years of my Christian walk, I thought legalism was the way to follow Christ. It was deadening and fruitless time, I cannot lie. I was very involved in my church, and did not use my worldly connections to witness for Christ. I knew so many unsaved people through my kids' hockey, and I don't believe I ever witnessed to any of them, although they all knew I was a Christian. Maybe a self righteous one?

After God allowed me to be broken down, I started walking in the Spirit. God started opening doors, and I began to see the good works HE had prepared for me. I've been doing them ever since. That includes a prayer ministry, reaching out to the hurting, broken and lost here and in other places, including real life. I also have a strong music ministry, which I dedicated to God from the day I got saved. Although I did teach music for many years, I never played music again in a bar, pub, or festival - I only play to glorify God. And finally, I have used my talents, training and family background to teach and preach the Word of God.

I can only glorify God, that he allowed me so many chances to do the works he created for me, and that I have been able to walk in them, as I dedicate my heart, soul and mind to Jesus Christ.

This is saying God saves us both in Justification and in Sanctification. We are not saved by trying to earn our way but we have an assurance of salvation right here and right now by repenting of our sins and accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior. We are created unto good works in Christ Jesus because it is the LORD who will do the good work in you. The LORD will get all the glory, honor, and power for any good He does in a true believer's life.

But the LORD will not allow us to stay in a lifestyle of sin or to let sin gain the victory over our lives. Jesus loves us and He came to set the captives free. Not just in being forgiven of sin but being free from sin's control. For Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. That would include destroying any works of the devil in a new believer's life.

 

[Angela53510]

This is saying God saves us both in Justification and in Sanctification. We are not saved by trying to earn our way but we have an assurance of salvation right here and right now by repenting of our sins and accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior. We are created unto good works in Christ Jesus because it is the LORD who will do the good work in you. The LORD will get all the glory, honor, and power for any good He does in a true believer's life.

But the LORD will not allow us to stay in a lifestyle of sin or to let sin gain the victory over our lives. Jesus loves us and He came to set the captives free. Not just in being forgiven of sin but being free from sin's control. For Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. That would include destroying any works of the devil in a new believer's life.

So, Jason, I can't tell by this post whether you think I am saved or not. I am not perfect, but God is definitely working on my walk, and transforming me daily. (Romans 12:1-2)

If you don't think I am saved, then tell me which sin I am committing. Oh right, you don't know me, and you cannot tell anything about my life, my Christian walk, or how Jesus has broken the devil's hold over so many areas of my life.

Go ahead and tell me if I am saved or not, and if not why not, please.

 

[slave]

Well, I have not read the context of exchanges yet in here on purpose before answering, I wanted to stay to the point of the question, so forgive me if I interrupt anxious endeavors, smile.

When I thought of this, I hesitated at two of them: Following Jesus and Sainthood. Yet, my Spirit wouldn't let me write Following Jesus thus Saint is my answer.

Now, Saint stirs different reactions from different positions concerning it's meaning.In the Word it appears 229 times in the Greek New Testament and 60 times in the corresponding KJV.

To me this is not simply denoting the followers in recognition from the after death inclusion. It is simply a Christian. A bible- committed servant of God. Kind of takes out the starch out of the ego thing tho doesn't it, for many different branches of the chamber of religious thought have given it gold carte blanc status, but does a simple servant disqualify it's golden charm?? Does it degrade God in anyway? I think not. It infact highlights it's worthiness to stardom.

If God has equipped me in Christ to become a priesthood, has He not also called me unto Himself to Holiness a measure of Sainthood? I believe He has. So as a bible-believing Christian, I am also a saint. Now why a saint then over a Jesus follower? Because I no longer simply follow God, I am raised to an even higher calling now, I am lead by the Spirit more than submitting to it, thus I trade in my following Jesus status for Sainthood. This is how God sees us entering into the pearlies. I might as well get my fitting well figured out now for the outfit. Smile.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

what matters is the kind of person God says i am!

and that is determined only in terms of his grace through faith in jesus

 

[Jason0047]

So, Jason, I can't tell by this post whether you think I am saved or not. I am not perfect, but God is definitely working on my walk, and transforming me daily. (Romans 12:1-2)

If you don't think I am saved, then tell me which sin I am committing. Oh right, you don't know me, and you cannot tell anything about my life, my Christian walk, or how Jesus has broken the devil's hold over so many areas of my life.

Go ahead and tell me if I am saved or not, and if not why not, please.

Dear Angela:

You said before we do not agree on Soteriology. I believe Christ does the good work in the believer's life both in Justification and in Sanctification. Good fruit will result and not bad fruit in a believer's life. Granted, believers can struggle with sin on their road to recovery. However, God's grace does not cover future or present rebellion or sin. This has always been what I preached from the Word of God and you always rejected it. In fact, many here reject it. I have been called names and attacked personally for preaching the Word (plainly) and you have sided with those who condone their sin and still be saved doctrine. Whether or not you condone sin is another matter. I do not know if you think can sin and still be saved. But by your support of others here who do believe that, it makes me think you believe as they do. For the moment you teach that you can sin and still be saved on some level is where darkness is spread. Preaching that it is all the cross and no effectual change in your life is a false gospel. Preaching that one can die unrepentant sin and still be saved is also a false gospel. Teaching that you can be out of fellowship and still be saved is a false gospel. If that is the side you have chosen, then that is the side you chosen (And no amount of verses will change your mind unless you want to see those verses). For there are many warnings in the Bible that I know you ignore that refute OSAS. One cannot grow spiritually and train others and warn others properly if they are not holding onto the truth.

OSAS is the biggest lie and deception of the devil. If one is teaching such a lie, then bad and not good is the result and the fruit thereof. I mean, people have killed themselves thinking they were saved because of OSAS. Does that sound like good fruit to you? In Matthew 7: Jesus said, you will know false prophets by their fruit. Yet, some will claim that they have done many wonderful things for the Lord, but the Lord will say that He never knew them because they worked iniquity (sin). Meaning, they either were secretly sinful or they spread a doctrine that led people into sin (Whether or not they are living sinful or not). All they have to do is spread a false gospel. That can be iniquity or sin, too. For OSAS is a false gospel that does damage and evil upon others. If you choose to side with it over what the Bible really says, then it is not me who will judge you. For Jesus says if we reject his words, then those very words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48). This would include even me. For I am not above the Word of God. I am not above the teachings or commands of Jesus Christ. For where is legalisim in obeying Jesus and what He has commanded us to do? There is none. You either make Jesus your Lord or you don't make Jesus your Lord. For Jesus said, why do you call me Lord, Lord, if you do not do what I say? For even Paul essentially said, if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). I say this not to wound you, but to lead you to the truth in love. This is not legalism. This is not earning salvation. For Jesus is our salvation. He is the one who does the "good work" in you. I cannot take the credit for what good the Lord does in me. All glory, honor, and power goes unto Him. But if I sin and think I am saved, how does that give glory to God? How does that make God out to be good if He alows me to do bad and yet still be saved? It goes against all of what I know to be good and right (Both in the Bible and my moral compass). Dig deep. Ask yourself if what you truly believe is true or not. Ask one more time. For can you explain the many plianly written verses that I keep putting forth? Or do you seek to change them?

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you.
And may His peace, goodness, and truth also rest upon you, too.

I say this to you with loving kindness to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


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[Angela53510]

Sorry I missed this reply earlier. Yes, I totally disagree with you. God saved us, he is saving us, and he will save us. Nothing to do with sin, or works. We all sin, while we are in this fleshly body. Even you have admitted you still have not attained sinless perfection. So are you constantly worried you might sin, and then BOOM! You die and go to hell?

If so, which is what I read in all your posts, then your are to be pitied. Thinking you can lose your salvation is a lie from the devil, as I have shown you in many Scriptures, which you have never replied to, especially analyzing the verses I have posted.

I believed I would lose my salvation, when I was first saved and for many years after. I was a discouraged Christian, and I lived in fear of stepping over the line at the wrong time.

But something in my heart told me God had never left me. Oh, I got rebuked sometimes. I had a besetting sin which I begged God to deliver me from, but he instead slowly lead me on a healing journey. I didn't even know when I first got saved that it was a sin to be angry (Gal. 5:19-21)

But I can honestly say, God has worked a miracle in my life. First he helped me find peace and delivered me from my anger, through a long process of reconciliation.

Second, he showed me all the verses that I have been adopted into the family of God, and I am a joint heir, not someone who trembles by the doors to the kingdom, worrying that everything I do means I will lose my salvation.

I think part of the process of losing my anger, was realizing that God was not going to disown me, or throw me under the bus, if I sinned and didn't confess it. I do keep the practice of daily confession, because I know too well my own weaknesses. I have always loved Ephesians, and the opening verses to the book are so full of encouragement about what salvation means, and how we cannot lose it.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory." Eph. 1:3-14

Jason, I am praying that you will understand that God does not see time as linear. Instead, God sees the past, present and future. He already knows who will persevere to the end. He is not an evil man, waiting to spring on someone and cast them down, when he finds out they have sinned. Instead, he uses the Bible and the Holy Spirit to convict and bring us to repentance.

As for your concept that if someone likes a post that is against you, that is really the most self centered comment I have heard in my life! That if we don't agree with you, then we are not saved? That is usurping the authority and rights of God. You cannot determine who is saved by whether they agree with you. Anyway, I am concerned because of your testimony that you fell away from God in the 1990's and then returned. I think you have been scarred by your own sinfulness and now you are projecting it on to everyone who doesn't agree with your soteriology. I will continue to pray that you will see the errors you are believing, and that you will have the security of knowing that God really knows all, including who will sin and repent, and who was never really his.

 

[Jason0047]

I never really lived in fear like you had. Perfect love casts out fear. Anyways, if all what you say is true, then why all the warnings in the Bible?

For here is a....

Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

• Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

• Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

• Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

• Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

• Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

• Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

• Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

• Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

• Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)

• Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

• Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

• Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

• John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

• John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

• John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

• John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

• Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

• Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

• Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

• Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

• Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

• Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

• 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

• Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

• Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

• Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

• Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

• Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

• Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
  … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

• Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

• Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

• Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

• 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

• 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

• 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

• 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

• Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

• Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

• Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

• Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

• Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

• Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

• Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

• Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

• Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

• Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

• Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

• Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

• Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

• James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

• 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

• 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

• 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

• 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

• 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

• 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

• 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

• 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

• Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

• Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

• Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13above).

• Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).

• Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

• Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

• Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

• Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

• Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Source Used:
Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com

 

[sydlit]

If I could just find that one missing piece of the puzzle...

 

[Jason0047]

Dear Angela:

In other words, there are just too many warnings in the Bible to ignore vesus believing your life experience. In addition, there are all the bad fruits that have resulted from those who believed in OSAS, too. Fruits that are really, really bad. George Sodini is just one of them.

For I have been debating OSAS for many years now. I know all the verses (that are wrongfully used to defend it) and all the excuses.

In addition to that, then there is the moral issue, too.

In any event, peace be unto you.
And may God bless you.

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


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[Jason0047]

For sin is separation from God if one refuses to confess and forsake that sin. For he that confesses and forsakes sin will have mercy (Proverbs 28:13). But if one believes they are still saved regardless if they sin or not, then they are going to not worry about doing good all that much and they are going to do evil with the thinking their sin is covered by God. But God is Holy and He cannot condone a person's sin. It doesn't work like that. OSAS is a doctrine that leads people into sin because it makes an allowance FOR sin. It is evil. Pure evil.

One has to ignore half the Bible and one has to ignore their moral compass of what they know to be good and right in order to believe in OSAS; And one has to ignore all the bad fruit that has resulted from OSAS in order to believe in OSAS, too.

 

[Angela53510]

Dear Angela:

In other words, there are just too many warnings in the Bible to ignore vesus believing your life experience. In addition, there are all the bad fruits that have resulted from those who believed in OSAS, too. Fruits that are really, really bad. George Sodini is just one of them.

For I have been debating OSAS for many years now. I know all the verses (that are wrongfully used to defend it) and all the excuses.

In addition to that, then there is the moral issue, too.

In any event, peace be unto you.
And may God bless you.

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


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You never replied to my Eph. 1:3-14 passage.

The problem with all your verses you post repeatedly, is every last one is pulled out of context. As far as walking with God and obeying him, those verses, I agree totally! What I do not agree with is that if we slip up sometime, we lose our salvation.

So what do you do with Christians who get dementia and Alzheimer's? I have seen them curse, lie, steal, and not even know they are doing it. Do those people, some missionaries and pastors, who have their brain rotting lose their salvation because they have sinned? Are they cast out despite faithfully serving God their whole life, because of horrid disease?

When people start losing their salvation for their actions, it opens up a whole can of worms, doesn't it? Instead, I think believing that God saves us, and we repent, and we are saved forever, really seals the deal no matter what illnesses we get, or what medications we are on that affect us badly, or if we are hurting or sad because of life circumstances.

I know of a medication for Parkinson's Disease called Miraplex, and it causes bipolar like symptoms in normal people. I have seen shows about how it caused a Christian man to become addicted to porn, a woman to become addicted to gambling, and she lost her family. When they discontinued the drug, they stopped doing the bad things, which were sin. Do you think God cast them out because of the side effects of a drug? Then resaved the man when he got off the drug?? I also knew personally a woman this happened to on this drug. She wasn't saved, anyway. But if she had been was she responsible for her actions while on a drug that abducted her upper brain stem??

It really is ludicrous to think that God would save someone, then unsave them, then saved them when they sharpen up, then unsave them if they sin, then save them AGAIN if they repent, then unsave them.......etc ad infinitum et absurdium!!

I will also let God decide who did not follow him, in their hearts, but were just playing at being Christians.

I will finish with another passage, and I hope you will see that God is not going to cast out anyone. That NOTHING can separate us from the love of God, even ourselves.

"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? [SUP]32 [/SUP]He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? [SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? [SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written,“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

[SUP]37 [/SUP]No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, [SUP]39 [/SUP]nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:31-39

 

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So what do you do with Christians who get dementia and Alzheimer's? I have seen them curse, lie, steal, and not even know they are doing it. Do those people, some missionaries and pastors, who have their brain rotting lose their salvation because they have sinned? Are they cast out despite faithfully serving God their whole life, because of horrid disease?

I don't think you could apply the same parameters to someone who is no longer accountable.